Kentucky Baptist church schedules first gay wedding only hours after ban ends

a reply to: manna2

You're well aware I was responding directly to another user who is justifying their own hatred. Like I said, not being a Christian myself, hatred is not forbidden to me. Play the twist-a-word game with some else, or make a serious post if you want any other response from me than fairly curt dismissal.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

The evidence is good enough for you, not for anyone else. That is called an belief, to which, of course, you are welcome. But you're mistaken in point of fact in your assertion about commands to kill gays in the NT, about Islamic law making any point about Paul's validity, etc. etc. That's just the obvious fact.

You need to take a step back and read slowly what I said earlier. It doesn't mention killing homosexuals. It only says they are deserving of death.. In other words the actions that they commit are a major insult to The Bible. Homosexuality is not the only one either, there are many examples around Homosexuality that are condemned the same way.

You seem to want to use scripture to vilify others but can you understand any of it? Can you help me with understanding what Yeshua taught about marriage and what its spiritual meaning is for the different roles?

a reply to: Bone75

Dude, you're taking your eyes off the ball and making it personal.

No one here is stupid, not even the hypocrites who believe in a mythical book only so long as it suits their purposes.

Maybe you just go read the Bible for a few, or listen to some Gospel or Christian rock, whatever you do to relax.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: manna2

You're well aware I was responding directly to another user who is justifying their own hatred. Like I said, not being a Christian myself, hatred is not forbidden to me. Play the twist-a-word game with some else, or make a serious post if you want any other response from me than fairly curt dismissal.

I am not justifying my own hatred. If you cannot accept the teachings of a religion then that's your problem. I know homosexuals and some of them are nice people. I don't agree with what they do but I do not hate them either.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: Gryphon66

The evidence is that all 3 Monotheistic religions are against Homosexuality. That is all the Evidence I need.. You can pull the old Paul was a Pharisee or a traitor, do what you will but when it comes down to it, throughout history homosexuality has been condemned. That is undeniable regardless of what angle I'm coming from.

Whether "religion" or "the church" condemns homosexuality is entirely irrelevant. Fundamental Christians and even more so Muslims condemn A LOT OF STUFF.

The question here would indeed be whether god or jesus would condemn HS, as opposed to what someone wrote into the bible and CLAIMS to be "the word of god" (or Allah or whatever).

I am personally convinced that the REAL god does not condemn HS and neither did Jesus. What would be worthy of condemnation would be sin, an evil committed by someone INTENTIONALLY.

Since I am 100% convinced (you don't even have to go through the effort to debate this with me, it would be waste of time!) that people are BORN homosexual or with the tendency toward it CAN therefore not be a conscious sin or an "intentional evil act" or something borne out of choice. OR, in different words: It would be as absurd to me as claiming that religion condemns those who are left-handed.

a reply to: DarknStormy

Why are you backtracking now? When you say someone is deserving of death, what does that mean?

It means it's okay to kill them, doesn't it? If someone said to you "You deserve to die." How would you take it?

You'd take it as a threat. As would anyone. But if that's what you believe, stand by it; don't waver when someone points it out to you.

Beside that, the Bible is a book, it can't be insulted. I realize that's just poor logic on your part, but still, here's the thing: the church in the OP was fine with marrying two people who love each other. You're not. That's the way the world works.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

I don't care whether they are born gay or not, I'm not here too prove that and people can believe what the choose to. I'm telling people from a religious standpoint that homosexuality is condemned, has always been condemned and will likely continue to be condemned by true worshippers.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

I don't care whether they are born gay or not, I'm not here too prove that and people can believe what the choose to. I'm telling people from a religious standpoint that homosexuality is condemned, has always been condemned and will likely continue to be condemned by true worshippers.

Yet, you're not a worshiper yourself. You stated above that you're a non-believer. Again, what's your angle? By these verses themselves, you're damned with the rest of us. Why are you arguing so hard for the team that's telling you you're going to hell?

And yet you base all that on a science fraud that was exposed as fraud yet somehow you believe, as an absolute belief, that a person is "born" that way. Then its not a huge leap to believe you can be born a pederast, or an adulterer, or even born addicted to porn.
No i am afraid, there is no science to defend your stance.
I personally do believe that something very specific is going on that is really, seriously messing with peoples hormones. With our food and water supplies saturated with chemicals that are endocrine disruptors and synthetic hormones we can see oddities that have become normal such as little girls going through puberty at 5 or even younger and little boys (and men) growing breasts. I believe we are seeing some genetic traits being passed from the previous generation or 2 that might look a little like "being born that way" but that is macro evolution at its finest adjusting for our inherant stupidity from polluting our sustainancea reply to: NoRulesAllowed

originally posted by: manna2
You seem to want to use scripture to vilify others but can you understand any of it? Can you help me with understanding what Yeshua taught about marriage and what its spiritual meaning is for the different roles?

Assuming you're addressing this to me, I typically only "vilify" after it's been done to me.

Yeshua, huh? LOL, we're doing the pretentious somewhat correct Hebrew rendering? Might as well call him Josh, just as close.

Jesus' only comments about marriage that I am aware of are that (1) divorce is wrong and that in heaven and (2) there are no males or females so the earthly concept of marriage is irrelevant.

Matthew 19:6, Divorce.

Matthew 22: 29-30, Neither male nor female.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DarknStormy

Why are you backtracking now? When you say someone is deserving of death, what does that mean?

It means it's okay to kill them, doesn't it? If someone said to you "You deserve to die." How would you take it?

It depends how you read into it. It doesn't suggest to murder homosexuals because murder is also condemned, f**k use some common sense. There must be a deeper meaning to the message. ffs.

You'd take it as a threat. As would anyone. But if that's what you believe, stand by it; don't waver when someone points it out to you.

Yeah I would but the Bible isn't in front of me threatening me... It is a guideline for a religion..

Beside that, the Bible is a book, it can't be insulted. I realize that's just poor logic on your part, but still, here's the thing: the church in the OP was fine with marrying two people who love each other. You're not. That's the way the world works.

Logic? Dude, you cannot even interpret a verse of the Bible properly without thinking it's the framework for a homosexual genocide.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DarknStormy

Why are you backtracking now? When you say someone is deserving of death, what does that mean?

It means it's okay to kill them, doesn't it? If someone said to you "You deserve to die." How would you take it?

You'd take it as a threat. As would anyone. But if that's what you believe, stand by it; don't waver when someone points it out to you.

Beside that, the Bible is a book, it can't be insulted. I realize that's just poor logic on your part, but still, here's the thing: the church in the OP was fine with marrying two people who love each other. You're not. That's the way the world works.

Ok.. Yeshua taught us that there is none righteous, no not one". And He also taught us that we must beperfect to be in the presence of our Father in Heaven. And He taught us that the penalty of sin is death. That we must be perfect or we deserve to die. For one sin. Now this is Yeshua teaching this. He did not teach this adding exclusives to one group of sinners over another. We are all in the sinners camp. He said it, I did not. You can quote Him on that in your coming posts if you like

a reply to: Gryphon66

I call it like I see it. Was he mistaken or not? What's so freaking difficult about admitting when you're wrong? Especially something as blatantly obvious as this.

originally posted by: manna2

*SNIP*
No i am afraid, there is no science to defend your stance.
*SNIP*

219,000 or so References that Prove that Mananana is Quite Simply Mistaken

Seems those pesky Scientists disagree.

a reply to: Bone75

Death threats are death threats. Period.

No more personal responses.

Take it to U2U if you're interested in pursuing it.

a reply to: DarknStormy

We're done. Play the endless paste, post and quibble game with someone else.

You misquoted the New Testament, didn't you? You said that homosexuals deserve to die. The Bible doesn't say that, does it?

Those are your words. That's all I said. All the rest of the hyperbolic crap you're trying to say I said is ludicrous at this point.

I still wonder why, as an unbeliever, you're obsessed with the gays, though.

But, have done. We disagree.

Best,

Or Yashayah. In a setting like this, Yeshua
. I do it out of reverance. The name means something deeply significant. There is no j sound in hebrew, aramaic, chaldean. Jew and jesus are names supplanted quite awhile later after His death and ascension. While here teaching, He was rabbi and spoke and taught His disciples in Aramaic. I am fairly certain they did not call their master Jesus, or Josh. Maybe Yosh, eh?
And you can look it up, i could be wrong but Yeshua taught that marriage was between a man and a woman.a reply to: Gryphon66

a reply to: manna2

It's of no moment to me what you call Jesus; if faux-Hebrew makes you feel good, go for it.

Linguistically, the name is most equivalent to the English name "Joshua."

Since you hold Him in such reverence, regardless of what we call Him, why don't you go read what He said about the subject rather than depending on what you've heard others say he said. Start with the verses I posted above.

Aside from turning water into wine in Cana, that's about all He had to say on the subject.

Stooop, I dont need to see if there are references to disproven science.
it is in the neurons baby. Its a learned behavior edged on by screwing with the populace genetic balance. Endocrine disruptors and synthetic hormones. Veggy diets. All to make girly men. All porn is gay porn. Its in the head.
"Neurons that fire together stay together". You never proved anything. In fact you just declared to everyone in this thread that your idea of due diligence is a google search and a cpy and paste. Puhlease. That is so simple minded. All you want is to pick a fight.