Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

OatDelphi
I was highly skeptical when I heard the directed deployment of the Ocean Shield with the underwater search tech onboard, before they had found even a single piece of wreckage.

It will look very suspicious if the Ocean Shield just sails to it's first destination, drops the ping locator, and immediately finds the wreckage. If that happens I would have to, at the very least, start to entertain the idea that maybe Australia shot the plane down before it was able to enter their airspace.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens over the next day or two, especially with this so-called big upcoming announcement they are going to make Friday.

What big announcement? I didn't hear about it! I predict the big announcement is going to be that they're giving up the search because the batteries died in the pinger, and it's too difficult to continue. I am sick of their cliches, needle in a haystack, haystack on a farm, and they have no idea where the farm is...

Usually investigators have a more positive attitude regarding the outcome of their investigation of an incident. Something like, "We will find out what happened!" Not this time. These Malaysians are telling everybody right now that they are never going to tell you anything! That means this is a farce.

"Investigations may go on and on and on. We have to clear every little thing," Khalid said. "At the end of the investigations, we may not even know the real cause. We may not even know the reason for this incident."

www.foxnews.com...

Mikeultra
I think it's possible that there is really no MH370 aircraft that's missing.

What about these dozens of other planes that went missing? Do you think they made all these up?

www.bloomberg.com...

This is a huge con job. Here is the article. I suggest people read about the International Air Transport Association and Tony Tyler and his connection with Montreal, Canada. Canada is where the FLYHT company is located which manufactures the new satellite data systems.

I read it, and I don't doubt for a second that many corporate executives would profit on any opportunity that presents itself if they can, such as a missing plane. However, they don't generally either kidnap or kill planeloads of passengers or try to fabricate a missing plane with over 200 people on board, because it would be far too easy to expose the hoax. The media has been interviewing family members of the missing passengers and crew for example, do you really think all that could be hoaxed?

I'm not surprised they are thinking about better ways to track planes. When many of those other flights disappeared, technology to track them wasn't so easy to come by but we should have the technology today to prevent missing planes if we want. If there had been more missing planes recently the technology would probably already be in place, but fortunately planes don't disappear too often.

Never under estimate the extremes greedy people will go to in order to accomplish their goals. Connecting the dots from article to article...

ALPA said if the goal is to better track airplanes, the answer is a beefed-up, satellite-based navigation system called NextGen. Read more here: www.adn.com.../99/171//#storylink=cpy

www.adn.com.../99/171//

The Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen) is the name given to a new National Airspace System due for implementation across the United States in stages between 2012 and 2025.[1] NextGen proposes to transform America’s air traffic control system from a ground-based system to a satellite-based system. GPS technology will be used to shorten routes, save time and fuel, reduce traffic delays, increase capacity, and permit controllers to monitor and manage aircraft with greater safety margins.[2] Planes will be able to fly closer together, take more direct routes and avoid delays caused by airport “stacking” as planes wait for an open runway.[3] To implement this the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will undertake a wide-ranging transformation of the entire United States air transportation system. This transformation has the aim of reducing gridlock, both in the sky and at the airports. In 2003, the U.S. Congress established the Joint Planning and Development Office (JPDO) to plan and coordinate the development of the Next Generation Air Transportation System.

en.wikipedia.org...

The FAA is pursuing a NextGen implementation plan and has established a NextGen Advisory Committee to aid in that implementation. In 2009, the advisory committee began a collaboration with the Radio Technical Commission for Aeronautics (RTCA) Task Force, a joint government and industry group, to participate in the effort.[5] Besides the FAA, the RTCA Task Force membership includes the Air Line Pilots Association, Air Transport Association of America, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, The Boeing Company, Department of Defense, GARMIN International, Honeywell International, Rockwell Collins, Stanford University, Lockheed Martin, MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Harris Corporation, NASA, National Business Aviation Association, and Raytheon.

en.wikipedia.org...

Mikeultra

What big announcement? I didn't hear about it!

I am not sure what it is. I have my assumptions considering the Malaysian PM was in Australia, but at this point all I can give you is a best guess.

CNN is reporting that another Australian ship, the Echo is going to be conducting what Aussie Officials stated as a "specific search". So maybe the announcement/press conference has something to do with that...

OatDelphi

Mikeultra

What big announcement? I didn't hear about it!

I am not sure what it is. I have my assumptions considering the Malaysian PM was in Australia, but at this point all I can give you is a best guess.

CNN is reporting that another Australian ship, the Echo is going to be conducting what Aussie Officials stated as a "specific search". So maybe the announcement/press conference has something to do with that...

Thanks for the information. Here's a few articles about the 2 Prime Ministers of Malaysia and Australia. I always read the comments after the articles to get a feeling on others beliefs of what's going on. I'm not the only one who think it's all very suspicious! Especially the U.S. silence despite all the advanced spy satellites and high tech surveillance equipment in Australia and Diego Garcia. Why not unleash the drones and find the signs of a crash if they're so sure it's in the South Indian Ocean?
www.cbc.ca...

HMS Echo
en.wikipedia.org...

HMS Tireless
www.mirror.co.uk...

Are there any realy sensertive fault lines under the sea around that region?

What if we get a realy Poweful Earthquake or possibly Volcano kicked off by a nuke buried within the downed aircraft, not just the catastrophic event it could create but if it was blamed on someone...

Just a thought.

UKGuy1805
Are there any realy sensertive fault lines under the sea around that region?

What if we get a realy Poweful Earthquake or possibly Volcano kicked off by a nuke buried within the downed aircraft, not just the catastrophic event it could create but if it was blamed on someone...

Just a thought.

Mt. Sinabung in Indonesia was active not long ago. Could be an underwater nuke set off to cause a massive earthquake with volcanic devastation. And it will be labeled as a natural event, like Fukishima was.
www.montrealgazette.com... oes+straddles+major+tectonic+fault+lines+known+Ring+Fire+between+Pacific+Indian+oceans/9248322/story.html

I mentioned this way back in the thread and it is the most bizarre part of the investigation IMO.

The procedure following an ATC monitored flight going off radar should have been set in motion, regardless if it was a hand over to another ATC area.

Malaysia has to be more clear on the procedures implemented from the moment ATC seen it going off radar, from confirmation that it was off radar ie more than a few seconds, transponder checks, ATC area checks, Primary radar checks, Military checks etc and from there it should have been tracked by military.

The rest of it is confirmed by various agencies as corresponding information, such as from Inmarsat and AAIB, so chances are that part of information is more viable and proves the flight was airborne for some time after going off radar, this is when military should have been tracking it.

Was this procedure in place as standards there, was it SOP, was it activated as appropriate etc. these are all answers Malaysia should provide.

www.telegraph.co.uk... formation.html

MH370 Malaysia Airlines: Anwar Ibrahim says government purposefully concealing information

Malaysia’s sophisticated radar system would have immediately detected Flight MH370 as it crossed the country’s mainland after changing course and should have alerted the air force, Anwar Ibrahim, the opposition leader, has claimed

In an interview with The Telegraph, he said that he had personally authorised the installation of “one of the most sophisticated radar” systems in the world, based near the South China Sea and covering Malaysia’s mainland and east and west coastlines, when he was the country’s finance minister in 1994.

It was “not only unacceptable but not possible, not feasible” that the plane had not been sighted by the Marconi radar system immediately after it changed course. The radar, he said, would have instantly detected the Boeing 777 as it travelled east to west across “at least four” Malaysian provinces.

Mr Anwar said it was “baffling” that the country’s air force had “remained silent”, and claimed that it “should take three minutes under SOP (standard operating procedure) for the air force planes to go. And there was no response.”

He added: “We don’t have the sophistication of the United States or Britain but still we have the capacity to protect our borders.”

It was “clearly baffling”, he said, to suggest that radar operators had been unable to observe the plane’s progress.

Mikeultra
Never under estimate the extremes greedy people will go to in order to accomplish their goals. Connecting the dots from article to article...


" Planes will be able to fly closer together, take more direct routes and avoid delays caused by airport “stacking” as planes wait for an open runway."

You would think the 1000ft vertical separation is dodgy enough as it is. There have been so many near-misses reported lately, and likely more unreported, never mind a rogue airplane losing itself.

ON MH370 though, I still wonder if there is data searching going on, for any satellite that could have picked the plane up at the time, in visual or infrared, and if not why not?
It also begs the question, if the military has all the super-duper stuff, is civil aviation working with hand-me-downs? Sounds simplistic, I know, but the military does blow a lot about what they have, and what they can do, and what is happening here? a lot of people chewing gum, and working hard on cartoons. It's not fair on all those relatives. And what about the phones? We have been told unequivically that no passenger had a GPS phone, that might be true, but where did that info come from? If it is not true, there could an unknown number of points of information in those phones, all depending on when they were last used, the GPS phone knows where it is when searching. Apple records the movements, and if any Iphone was used or tracked, then someone knows where the plane was.

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Because with a few exceptions they usually have something to work with.

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I would like to know how these Malaysian Airlines people or Malaysian government people can say that none of the passengers owned a modern smart phone with gps. I find that hard to believe, even though I have no mobile phone. How do they know that? Do they question passengers before boarding, and ask if they have gps phones? They are lying...

I noticed that in this article the P8 Poseidon had the number 430 on the nose. The other one I've seen down there had 429 on it. So I guess there's 2 of them there now.

www.mirror.co.uk...

IMO, it slowly building to the fact that some or all of the flight crew did something with the plane based on their relationship with their government. Malaysia can play dumb to try to hide certain things but sooner or later the truth will be found.

There were a few Americans on that plane, & I don't doubt for a second they all had modern phones WITH GPS. we Americans love our smart phones....Malaysia is lying IF they said no one on that plane had a smart phone...I'm not trusting anything Malasia says anymore.

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It's almost as if they don't want the plane found.....

This should boost CNN ratings when they finally air it. Richard Quest their aviation analyst on CNN just so happened to take a flight in the cockpit with the co-pilot of MH370! CNN is going to make you famous! This is a major propaganda production.

One of the more bizarre coincidences in the mystery of missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 is the fact CNN airline and aviation correspondent Richard Quest met with the co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, weeks before the plane’s disappearance. It was part of a taping Quest was doing in February for CNN Business Traveler, and it hasn’t aired yet on CNN. Hamid, a 27-year-old first officer, was taking part in a training session, flying from Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur.

hereandnow.wbur.org...

www.wantchinatimes.com...

I reckon they should be searching in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands region.. There are 572 islands in the territory having an area of 7,950 km2 (3,070 sq mi). Of these, about 34 are permanently inhabited. A lot of mysterious phenomena has been reported in that region.

A serious search of the
Andaman and Nicobar Islands has not occurred and nor will it ever occur by the looks of things.

As most of the passengers on the missing flight are Chinese nationals, Beijing has been anxious to locate MH370. In this light, Beijing sent a request to New Delhi to allow its four warships enter the Andaman Sea and conduct search operations there- which was declined. The Times of India quoted an unnamed official reflecting Indian concerns that “The A&N command is our military outpost in the region, which overlooks the Malacca Strait and dominates the Six-Degree Channel. We don’t want Chinese warships sniffing around in the area on the pretext of hunting for the missing jetliner or anti-piracy patrols”. Moreover, Indian forces have already deployed assets to locate the missing plane and are coordinating with the international group.

strategicstudyindia.blogspot.com.au...

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I had wondered about the Christmas Islands how approriate that would be if it emerged from there around Easter?

Just abit of guessing.

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That whole south china region has a lot of strategic posts, and a plane goes missing vanishes without a trace and there is no international precedent in place for how the 20 or so countries will work effectively together searching the area that overlaps with strategic restricted military areas. Makes you wonder for sure if there is more to this than simply a plane having a mechanical mal function and ditching into sea.