Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by rockflier

Given the other example picture posted, it looks like much of the ghosted image contains the background colors. The one over the ocean had much blues, the land had greens and brown. Must be a function of the image process.

reply to post by roadgravel

Yes, overlapping scans in different colors are combined to make a full color image.

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Totally off topic but have to ask.

eoyn, you only have a hundred or so posts...a million stars? insane karma points?

WTH

lol peace

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puntito

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It's only know that I'm beginning to believe (not entirely though) that this is a hijacking. It sends chills down my spine. These guys are good. Military special ops good.

i tell you, they had guns, they shot the pilots and then shot a couple of
cabin windows to splinters in order to depressurize the cabin.
Then they took over the plane and took the oxigen masks of the
pilots and climbed to 45000 feet to kill of the passengers.
it's so simple.

I'm not so sure about the depressurization part. Coz I read somewhere that these high tech jumbo jets will automatically send signals if there are sudden fluctuations in pressure, altitude, etc. AND it's not easy to climb to 45000 feet (2000 feet beyonD the limit of the 777) as one poster pointed out.

Plus, even in third world countries, it would be hard to get a gun onboard, much less guns without alerting anyone and Malaysia is not a third world country.

For that scenario to work out you need a rogue crew member or members. And 'til now they remain innocent until new evidence comes up to prove them otherwise.

plane climbed above 45000 feet after turned off the transponders. This is one of the few confirmed facts.
Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?
Just one reason I can think off, maybe they turned off the communications before cracking the windows with somthing else. But for me it is a fact they cracked the windows and when they went back to 19000 feet they just put a corpse in every window to get the pressure back.
The corpses will be tight sucked seal the windows.

puntito

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It's only know that I'm beginning to believe (not entirely though) that this is a hijacking. It sends chills down my spine. These guys are good. Military special ops good.

i tell you, they had guns, they shot the pilots and then shot a couple of
cabin windows to splinters in order to depressurize the cabin.
Then they took over the plane and took the oxigen masks of the
pilots and climbed to 45000 feet to kill of the passengers.
it's so simple.

I'm not so sure about the depressurization part. Coz I read somewhere that these high tech jumbo jets will automatically send signals if there are sudden fluctuations in pressure, altitude, etc. AND it's not easy to climb to 45000 feet (2000 feet beyonD the limit of the 777) as one poster pointed out.

Plus, even in third world countries, it would be hard to get a gun onboard, much less guns without alerting anyone and Malaysia is not a third world country.

For that scenario to work out you need a rogue crew member or members. And 'til now they remain innocent until new evidence comes up to prove them otherwise.

plane climbed above 45000 feet after turned off the transponders. This is one of the few confirmed facts.
Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

To KO the passengers.

Corpses on windows? Dude don't go there.

reply to post by puntito

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

I thought 35000 feet was cruising altitude for the 777? That's why they climbed that high and sustained it..?

Errr...so it's unsafe to cruise at 35000 feet?

Phage
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Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

35000 feet unconsious -50 Fahrenheit and hardly pressure.
45000 feet death in minute.
They don't need the passengers. Their agenda is not negotiable.
Sorry for the corpses, just think practical

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I stand corrected

reply to post by IQPREREQUISITE

Perfectly safe as long as the cabin is pressurized.
As long as the cabin is pressurized 45,000 is safe as well.

The passengers can be affected by lack of oxygen at 35K just as well as 45K, if that was the plan. So no need to ascend for that is what was meant.

roadgravel
The passengers can be affected by lack of oxygen at 35K just as well as 45K, if that was the plan. So no need to ascend for that is what was meant.

Sorry there is a big difference between 35000 and 45000 feet, lower temperature and lower pressure.,
35000 feet is not lethal, not it is as high as mount Everest.

So rockflier, have you seen anything in the news to change any of you thoughts based on experience. Do you think the climb and descent was due to a non experienced person manually handling the plane?

Phage
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Perfectly safe as long as the cabin is pressurized.
As long as the cabin is pressurized 45,000 is safe as well.

Yup. I was late in getting the train of thought on those last exchanges. 45000 feet and/or 35000 feet both deadly if the cabin is depressurized/windows shatters.

Got it.

Seems a violent takeover though. You would think hijackers would like to take it all intact with healthy hostages JUST IN CASE. If they want to make a statement, it sure is vague.

puntito

roadgravel
The passengers can be affected by lack of oxygen at 35K just as well as 45K, if that was the plan. So no need to ascend for that is what was meant.

Sorry there is a big difference between 35000 and 45000 feet, lower temperature and lower pressure.,
35000 feet is not lethal, not it is as high as mount Everest.

You might check those facts. Everest is 29K.

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Don't ask me! I must be cool or something.

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Phage
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Perfectly safe as long as the cabin is pressurized.
As long as the cabin is pressurized 45,000 is safe as well.

Yup. I was late in getting the train of thought on those last exchanges. 45000 feet and/or 35000 feet both deadly if the cabin is depressurized/windows shatters.

Got it.

Seems a violent takeover though. You would think hijackers would like to take it all intact with healthy hostages JUST IN CASE. If they want to make a statement, it sure is vague.

They don't need hostages, they needed the plane. And don't ask me why did they not steal one. If you steal a plane you have somebody on your tail from minute one.

roadgravel
So rockflier, have you seen anything in the news to change any of you thoughts based on experience. Do you think the climb and descent was due to a non experienced person manually handling the plane?

I honestly do not know. Both scenarios are possible. I still have trouble accepting that the plane went above its 43,100 service ceiling while relatively heavy. Just the old pilot in me

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No, 35,000 feet is 20% higher than Everest and much less oxygen.
Long enough at 35,000 (not that long) is fatal.

From wiki

Time of Useful Consciousness
FL 350 30 sec to 60 sec 10,668 m 35,000

Doesn't sound safe to me.