Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

DrHammondStoat

puntito

DrHammondStoat

puntito

DrHammondStoat


You have got to back things up with evidence otherwise you will start to sound like you are throwing the silliest speculation about .....oh wait

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Look, they take it for fact that the plane went flying from 35000 feet to over 45000 feet.
Then you look for a motive that explains the actions.
If Hijacked this behavior is to lower the pressure and temperature.
They have 238 possible threats to knock out.
Can't think of any other motive sorry.

First of all, there could be a margin of error in calculating the 45000 feet, this has been said in various reports, so it's not a 100 % fact.

No-one's disputing the plane may have deliberately climbed to knock out the passengers - just that smashing windows and using bodies is one of the most illogical and over-complicated ways to achieve it.

i first thought they would maybe gass the people, but then I boarded a 777 a couple of
days ago and was flabbergasted by the size of the cabin. This thing is HUGE, ENORMOUS on
the inside and on the outside, so I discarded the cyanide gas theory.
You can't knock out all people with gas while the air is replaced at
too much speed and there is just too much air in this plane.
So I came to this conclusion by actually boarding a 777.

I was thinking more along the lines that someone could tamper with the oxygen mix to the passengers (might take some time to knock them out), or that the quick climb left them unconscious quickly

Mmm, Tamper with the oxygen mix, I would say that is when you need
Inside possible witnesses.
Those professionals don't need witnesses that can break.
I stay with the breaking of windows, it is absolutely easy
and will have everybody in panic.
Problem is I can see it so clearly in front of me and it is
so practically possible, even if you think it is complicated.,

DrHammondStoatFirst of all, there could be a margin of error in calculating the 45000 feet

There's no way to get the B777 to 45k ft at their assumed weight. It doesen't have the performance to do that.
At some point, probably around 39k ft one would start trading speed for altitude, and stall if pushed further.

The Pilot is responsible for deliberately destroying this aircraft and killing all on board...My worry is. Has he been training future Kamikaze pilots to do the same...?






Just a Hunch.

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

reply to post by judydawg


That all makes perfect sense unfortunately!

rabourby
What are the differences in stealing a Boeing aircraft instead of an airbus aircraft ? ( if stolen )

Don't know, maybe it's like stealing a chevy impala or a volkswagen jetta? Sorry for that, I am getting offtrack...that thread is making me derailed, too much mysteries to handle...

Too be serious, I am sure some pilots will tell that there are some differences in how you pilot one or other?

I am with the why steal a 777 group. Many other aircraft would probably work as a bomb. Unless it has to do with fuel capacity and range.

edit:

If a long range mission is the plan that just gives the world more time to take it out on it's way.

puntito

Mmm, Tamper with the oxygen mix, I would say that is when you need
Inside possible witnesses.
Those professionals don't need witnesses that can break.
I stay with the breaking of windows, it is absolutely easy
and will have everybody in panic.
Problem is I can see it so clearly in front of me and it is
so practically possible, even if you think it is complicated.,

I think it's over complicated because, it requires something to smash the windows with, which would be what? , where would the hijackers be when smashing them? Seated? - how would they get a good swing at them? it means the hijackers would also suffer from the cold and depressurisation - unless they had special suits - which again is getting more complex and so less likely than turning a switch somewhere. So sorry no, you haven't convinced me on that one.

I suppose it's all just speculation at this stage because no plane wreckage and no demands from hijackers = no confirmation of what happened.

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


What makes me question pilot suicide is the fact that the plane continued to fly in a completley different direction than the original flight plan, the last ping (we are aware of) was at 8:11am. Why continue to fly instead of putting the plane down earlier. Pilot suicide does not make sense to me.

reply to post by kanbanozaurus


The Triple Seven is a wide body twin jet, as are Boeings 767 and new 787, Airbus also have an A330, they are very similar in specifications and range, just subtle differences in layout etc, they are very similar though.

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


Star just for bringing the Beastie Boys to this thread!

UKGuy1805
reply to post by kanbanozaurus

 

The Triple Seven is a wide body twin jet, as are Boeings 767 and new 787, Airbus also have an A330, they are very similar in specifications and range, just subtle differences in layout etc, they are very similar though.

Boeing and bus, very different design philosophy.
I once tried to land an A330 IFR at night in the sim, would have ended bad had it been the real thing.

Am I right in thinking that on the pilots YouTube page he had videos in his playlist about AC servicing or something of that nature ?

Do we know where his family are ? I was reading on here today that they where not at the house when searched

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Don't tell me that that is possible from inside the cabin.
I can't believe it that is a flaw.

Please also check this thread I made about the missing plane and how things seem to be connected to the symbol of the trident, the Ukraine and much more:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Still convinced they know where its at...they get the pings saying its alive...so the pings give off a general areA....if it crashed then maybe you see a couple pings in same area before its not "alive" anymore....but if it landed they would see where the pings are til maybe someone can replace it in the aircraft?

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Exactement!

reply to post by rabourby


I haven't been able to find anything official to say the pilots wife moved prior to incident