Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

reply to post by JayinAR


I'd like to see some bent reality..…(Oh - that sounds naughty)

Seriously, I've never seen anything the least bit 'paranormal', and I'm a believer!

Maybe it's because every time I start thinking, "Ya know, I'd really like to see something 'supernatural'", I immediately follow with, "but don't let it be anything that freaks me out!"

nugget1
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

It just seems like focusing on Trickster page after page is keeping all thoughts centered on who, what and why of the Trickster, and it would appear some new angles of thought might uncover some helpful information.

If Trickster were taken out of the equation, what other ideas might surface?

What ideas have you to offer?

lostgirl
reply to post by JayinAR

 

I'd like to see some bent reality..…(Oh - that sounds naughty)

Seriously, I've never seen anything the least bit 'paranormal', and I'm a believer!

Maybe it's because every time I start thinking, "Ya know, I'd really like to see something 'supernatural'", I immediately follow with, "but don't let it be anything that freaks me out!"

Eh, my kung-woo (as GUT called it) isn't nearly that strong. Haha. I doubt anyone's is. I don't know you.

Also Nugget:
I disagree. I think we need to FOCUS ON the trickster, but as a control element of the human hive mind and figure out what the medium is that he uses to appear.

The trickster is legit. This entire phenomena is legit. There is more than enough data right here in this thread to establish that much to anyone who is not acomplete imbecile.

We need to figure out how it happens

Now your in my field of expertise!


The fact of the reality of being, defined by the 13th century Sufi mystic, Ibn Arabi, as the unity of being. This is the fact of unity; all are interconnected in a non-dual state. In this sense, everything is God. To exclude anything from being God is a form of idolatry. This is not pantheism in the strict sense, since this idea of the divine does include the recognition of degrees of being. This goes to the point that one cannot confine God to anything, particularly in any anthropomorphic sense; hence, he or she is not exclusively existent in any being. The God state the lofty epiphany of developmental evolution, is for all. Nor can one confine God to any phenomenon, for he is above it, as well as in the phenomenon at the same time, yet that is never what he is confined to exclusively. In other words, God literally is all things, yet is figuratively unique when we enter the field of development. Then he/she becomes discretionary, because we are traveling from one point to the next, which requires identification with form. In the state of enlightenment, the inner eye sees through these relative forms by seeing the absolute in and beyond all form.

reply to post by lostgirl

What ideas have you to offer?

None that wouldn't take this thread off topic, I'm afraid; I think it might explain the Control System, but I'm pretty sure nobody else would- based on how focused people are on the 'boogieman'.

I disagree. I think we need to FOCUS ON the trickster, but as a control element of the human hive mind and figure out what the medium is that he uses to appear.

reply to post by JayinAR


And if the Trickster is you? If the Trickster is created by energy that projects unknowingly from all life, and unites to rearrange it's structure and manifest physically?

nugget1
reply to post by lostgirl

 

Million Dollar Challenge

None that wouldn't take this thread off topic, I'm afraid; I think it might explain the Control System, but I'm pretty sure nobody else would- based on how focused people are on the 'boogieman'.

I am with ya 100%

reply to post by nugget1


Yes
Exactly

ETA: tried to quote the post about the trickster being a by-product of energy manifesting itself from all living and sentient things.

I would almost wager that dogs have their own version of the trickster.

Ever had a crazy realistic auditory hallucination? Its weird.

Ever had a crazy realistic auditory hallucination?

reply to post by JayinAR


Yes; I have had experiences.
No; they were not hallucinations.

JV. ( So I won't go off topic.)

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Yeah, sorry to dog-pile, but it's beyond me, KPB, how anyone can read through all 670 pages of Hansen's book, get to the part on Derrida and deconstructionism, and then turn around and engage in the sort of pedagoguery that you do; and that's coming from a pedagogue.

I've lost the will to post in this thread beyond this point, but for the sake humanity, man! learn to use wordpad.

And to all: I was wrong, Vallee does briefly explain SCADA, there's more than enough in his work to keep this thread occupied for weeks. I'm off to take my own advice and get a bunch of reading done, and part of it won't be that Trickster book.

ciao.

reply to post by The GUT


That was humor gutsey.

And I hope you NEVER fail at something.. or make an error..
LOL. You might never hear the end of it. Or.. you could let
my multitude of self-efacements i've posted over that
particular failure of mine be sufficient and then I can put
away my notepad and magnifying glass.

reply to post by JayinAR

There is more than enough data right here in this thread to establish that much to anyone who is not acomplete imbecile.

HMMMMM.

That sounds eerily similar to this asshole who said something about
going home and not collecting $200.

LOL

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Yes. There is a reason why GUT is so measured on here. Haha
If he were to make a blatant error many would jump all over his ass.

Isn't that interesting though? A guy with such hard-hitting, concise material is under the magnifying glass?

But why? His responses are always measured well. I know how he leans, but he won't elaborate because he doesn't like to speculate.
You can tell he is educated as a journalist.

I would ask why you care, but I already know.
You wear your heart on your sleeve and he does not (unless he knows he is talking to a female and then he acts like a horny old man). I am the same way (heart on the sleeve) and I can get point blank testy. Did so last night.

But I find it funny and scary when GUT does (get testy)...because if he is starting to lose his patience with you he may just drop a hydrogen bomb on your ass.

I can read him alright.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by JayinAR

 

There is more than enough data right here in this thread to establish that much to anyone who is not acomplete imbecile.

HMMMMM.

That sounds eerily similar to this asshole who said something about
going home and not collecting $200.

LOL

Haha

That was an olive branch to everyone in this thread.

If you'll notice NONE of GUTs threads ever have skeptics.

These threads are IMO the cutting edge of the field. We deal in topics that cannot be confused with HOAXs

Well, for what it's worth, I've slaked my thirst of this
topic, within the constraints of this particular thread.

I've got some investigatory paths to follow up on, and
some tests to run, and if the exceptionally mild and
barely expressive posts Iv'e made here are any indication,
I'll just keep these matters to myslf, until and unless I
get some data to report upon.

I want to thank everyone for tolerating my pedantic
and prickly nature, and the whole bunch of you
are mensches.

I never did get around to sharing the trickster aspects
of my gray alien visit and triangular ufo flying over my
house story.. but I'd get all pedantic with that.. so
i'll let that go for now.

I may make a post in the metaphysics section at some
point, and if I do, feel welcome to come be pedantic
and half formulate arcane minutae that I have no
interest in, as a form of karmic balancing. LOL.

Again, thanks Gutsey, and all.. wonderful thread.

KPB

Bybyots
Yeah, sorry to dog-pile, but it's beyond me, KPB, how anyone can read through all 670 pages of Hansen's book, get to the part on Derrida and deconstructionism, and then turn around and engage in the sort of pedagoguery that you do; and that's coming from a pedagogue.

Sigh, I'm afraid I turned him on to Hansen. I didn't know he was gonna turn it into his manifesto. But it is a COOL book in a food for thought way as I know you know!

K-Bear: What me wrong? Everyday. At least I didn't post a, "Hey! Check out this youtube vid of aliens!" Not that you have, just pointing out that I try to provide some substance/comparative research and I don't only reference myself and Hansen.

EDIT: Stop fooling yourself, brother. You ain't done here yet. You've said goodbye at least 5 times lol!!

JayinAR
and he does not (unless he knows he is talking to a female and then he acts like a horny old man).

Damn...you do know me. No shizzle. I'm laughing and crying at the same time. I hope my horniness has some depth though.

reply to post by The GUT


I love you man.

But let me tell you.. if you had died and come back to life later..
and could report on it.. if you had summoned a massive, impressive
UFO with your will.. if you had faced down what many would call
the 'anti-christ' when you were 21.. any of these crazy things..
and hundreds of things i keep private..

you too might take yourself way too seriously and be so pedantic.

Instead you are a valued and excellent researcher, not some guy
who has to drink his own cool aid, as he's always been swimming
in a vat of it.

Now please gutsey don't jump to attack dog on those intial statements..
I don't care if you discard them entirely as pure self-delusion. But the
fact that *I* take them as valid and beyond doubt.. whether they are
or not.. has shaped my personality and approach very deeply.

I just want you to understand the looney guy you interact with a bit
and then perhaps you might yank my chain gently rather than promise
a total roasting.

LOL

KPB

reply to post by The GUT


I'm not leaving ATS;
Im just bored with the thread now..
Sorry..
It seems to have run it's course.

Might be wrong.

LOL

I just want to spend less time on it and get
back to being the real me, not my gentle
and highly tame social face I wear on ATS.

LOL

The GUT

JayinAR
and he does not (unless he knows he is talking to a female and then he acts like a horny old man).

Damn...you do know me. No shizzle. I'm laughing and crying at the same time. I hope my horniness has some depth though.

Haha! Man, it is easy to see you have a total hard on for Kandzveldt.

But I don't blame you a bit. That is an awesome woman.

And no worries, you do it all with mucho class.