Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

If a mirror is needed here, then perhaps we could compare the actions of Kony and the Lord's Liberation Army in Uganda.

Don't see many Christians out in the streets distancing themselves from that running sore. Maybe they should be doing the same as these Muslims

Originally posted by neformore
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Did you apologise to everyone for the actions of the US and the UK in destabilising the middle east over the past 100 or so years?

You should, because that's the reason why the extremism is happening.

Cause and effect.

And no, that doesn't make any of it right, before you suggest it does.

But your own line of reasoning does make it right. There will always be cause and effect. What about the actions of the Middle East by lining up with Nazi Germany? Does that make everything better? Of course not!

The problems with many of the issues is that people are dealing with the past. Not the here and now.

This time, this place, is where we must draw the line. The past does not matter anymore, it's a lesson to be learned, not avenged.


And as much as I hate to say this since I am not a fan of Obama. WE MUST GO FORWARD!

I agree that the majority of the muslim community are law abiding and peacefull people and should not be held to account for the minority nutjobs, however, I feel that more could be done by the muslim community to stamp out these bad apples. They know who the extremists are in their midst.

I live in a small Australian country town with a reasonable size aboriginal community, well involved and respected by the greater community. Recently a small group of young aboriginal men moved into the town and immeadiatly began to cause trouble. Breaking and entering homes, harrasing people on the street, stopping cars on the street at night and demanding cigarettes and money etc.

Well, it didnt take long for the local aboriginal community to take matters in hand. They rounded up the trouble makers and quickly ran them out of town never to return. Problem solved.

In short they were much more effective in dealing with issues inside their community then local law enforcement could have achieved.

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Nice try Nef, but there are some here with an agenda and a cause.... and whatever you say... or anyone says, they will not stop their campaign of vilifying and demonising Muslims.

Originally posted by intrepid

Yes. According to you there is only one extremist to worry about. Muslim extremists. There are many more.

I think most British people at the moment are also worried about Muslim extremists.

Pointing out that other types of extremists exist around the globe doesn't make the Muslim extremists go away.

The UK has a lot of Muslim extremists.

See the polls on this thread.

Link

Originally posted by ollncasino


The UK has a lot of Muslim extremists.

The UK also has a lot of BNP/EDL members....so extremism goes both ways in this country.

Also, in response to your earlier statement about the US/UK not invading Iraq etc prior to 11/9/01.....you really should read up on the history of the conflicts over there, believe me...you are very wrong in that statement.

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Please...

Learn some history?

Are you unaware of the actions of US and UK foreign policy prior to 9/11?

The overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran over oil rights in 1953, followed by the propping up of the Shah of Iran?
The creation and subsequent abandonment of the Mujahadeen during the proxy war between superpowers in Afghanistan?
The arming of Sadam Hussein by the west in the Iran/Iraq War?
Selling the chemical precursors to Hussein that he used to gas the kurds?
Bush's failed promise to depose Hussein in '91 and the subsequent reprisals?

Are you really so naive as to think that 9/11 just happened "because they hate your freedoms"???

Huh - every time someone talks about the negative aspects of the extremist elements of Islam it is labeled as "racism" or "islamophobia"

and it is good that Muslims gather to condemn that murder, now it is time to take it a step further and out the extremists in their community.

Originally posted by neformore
Do you trust the Germans or the Japanese? We fought a world war against them, and between them they committed far, far worse atrocities than we see today.

Um…….. Those incidents were during a full blown war against us………. Are you entertaining the idea that we should draw a parallel with Islam today, vs Japan and Germany when they were in a full blown war against us.

Should we draw parallels with the actions of certain Islamic people and the actions of a nation at war?

It is almost as if you are you subconsciously admitting that Islam is in a full blown war with the west.

Originally posted by neformore
Please...

Learn some history?

Are you really so naive as to think that 9/11 just happened "because they hate your freedoms"???

Could I suggest that you study your history a little further back?

You will discover that Islam has been kicking the West's ass for most of the last 1,300 years.

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So this is just a "well they have an excuse to do what they do"....you are condoning those actions by extremists?

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Is it perhaps because the aggressive fundamentalist Wahhabi school of Islam is being spread by Saudi Arabia money across the West?

Yet the UK government is happy to support their despotic regime and sell millions of pounds worth of arms to them...hmmm something don't seem right.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by theconspirator
Is it perhaps because the aggressive fundamentalist Wahhabi school of Islam is being spread by Saudi Arabia money across the West?

Can you explain why is this please?

The special relationship between US/Zionists and Saudis

reply to post by ollncasino

Could I suggest that you study your history a little further back?

You will discover that Islam has been kicking the West's ass for most of the last 1,300 years.

Care to elaborate?

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Like we out the extremists in ours? I didn't see you jumping up and pointing out Anders Brevik....

And no, I'm not condoning anything btw, what I am doing is pointing out that the world is a big plac,e full of bad things, and this stuff most certainly did not start on 9/11

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
It is almost as if you are you subconsciously admitting that Islam is in a full blown war with the west.

They may well think so. It's not as if the west isn't at a full blown war with Islam, right?

Originally posted by Kram09

Care to elaborate?

Check out the maps here

Link

You might also be interested to learn

Between 1795 and 1799 the USA was paying a 1/5 of the entire annual income of the United States government to Muslim Barbary coast pirates to prevent them from attacking American ships and enslaving the crews.

Terrorism In Early America]Link

People often assume that the West's current economic and military domination has always been that way. It hasn't.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by neformore
Please...

Learn some history?

Are you really so naive as to think that 9/11 just happened "because they hate your freedoms"???

Could I suggest that you study your history a little further back?

You will discover that Islam has been kicking the West's ass for most of the last 1,300 years.

Actually , last 200+ years , West has been kicking non Western assess , repeatedly .

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Atrocities are atrocities.

Do you not trust Norweigians because of the actions of Anders Brevik?

What about Irish people... you obviously don't trust them either?

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Huh - every time someone talks about the negative aspects of the extremist elements of Islam it is labeled as "racism" or "islamophobia"

and it is good that Muslims gather to condemn that murder, now it is time to take it a step further and out the extremists in their community.

Again, if its discussing extremists that's one thing then lumping the average Muslim into the discussion. Secondly, as previously stated, the lack of understanding Muslims is a big problem. Even here in Algeria, we have terrorists in the mountains. The Muslim people know they are there, they know because they see someone who they don't know either buying bread or hanging around a water source. So what do the Muslim people do here? They don't go to the water source because news spreads fast there are terrorists near. They don't go out at night, they lock their doors at 7pm, they don't go out alone. They don't know who these terrorists are they just know they are there, they are afraid, and they avoid, they don't even tell the military or police because they fear these terrorists will find out and kill them. So there is a self imposed and societal repression and fear. It takes westerners like us, like me, to remove the repression and stand up to fear which is what I do here. I think we need more western people having compassion, being leaders, and stop compounding the problems.