America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

Originally posted by CharlesMartel

Originally posted by wagnificent

Originally posted by neo96
I said has anyone picked up all their belongings and moved to the great communist world and they haven't.

Really? No one has moved to a communist country? How about all the "teach English in China" programs? Are they all empty?

About.com has an English article about becoming a Chinese citizen, so I imagine there is some level of interest in it...
chineseculture.about.com...

There are similar pages about becoming a Cuban citizen. Anyway it's not like the US makes it easy for people to become a citizen of a communist country, and communist countries make it equally difficult from their side. Yet still there are enough people interested in it to justify web pages to answer such questions. I think your assumption is debunked.

A lot of those "teach English in China" programs advertise in publications read by Evangelical Christians. You can bet that those who apply aren't motivated by embracing the economic policies of Communism, but have a "higher calling".

Even if you are right that most applicants are answering a higher calling, it still proves my point; communism is not scary enough to prevent everyone in the "free world" from moving to communist countries. Some people still do it.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by wagnificent

 

Yeah jumping on a 747 is the same thing as building a make shift raft that will barely float putting pregnant wives and kids on and floating on the ocean for days to reach America.

Yeah same thing really.

You are right that it's different, but I was responding to your claim that "no one" moves to communist countries. If you want to change your argument in retrospect, then I will be happy to respond to this one too.

I agree that some Cubans are desperate enough to jump into makeshift rafts and float over to Miami. However if Cuba is so crappy and oppressive, why can Castro cruise around in a jeep with a fabric roof in the midst of a population with access to guns? If even a significant percentage of the population was really that desperate, wouldn't someone just shoot Castro rather than ship their family to the US on a raft on the hopes that they will touch land before the Coast Guard picks them up?

Meanwhile the president of the United States needs the Secret Service and up armored vehicles in a supposedly "better" society...

OP first of all you are stupid do NOT understand what is really happening.

Cultural Marxism has ALREADY succeeded in the United Kingdom.

The changes are GRADUAL, like what is happening in England. Remember the Olympic Opening Ceremony? That was littered with Progressive propaganda.

I don't care what side of the political spectrum you are from, but this is how it is. The United States is much more a Huxley-an state, and Britian is an Orwellian State.

Obama CAN declare Martial Law, only if the bond market ever crashes.

There has been COINTELPRO operations in the media attempting to discredit Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party, and spirituality. I will address COINTELPRO in more detail later.

OP doesn't get the big picture. I really dislike it when people are biased to take one side of the argument, and don't look at all the facts. Including my post on the Federal Reserve, I look at both sides of the debate, and make a rational conclusion.

Next time OP, actually understand the context and the big picture before you post.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
reply to post by nightstalker46

 

so much of that is just pure BS...

pick up a history book or take a basic economics class before you start claiming Obama is a marxist... just absurd.

And yet so much is true.

Maybe you can shed light on Grampaw's agenda from the old books .... mid 1800's

Is this all true?

reply to post by xuenchen

Well according to this article: For Cubans new property rights
It would seem that Cuba is moving away from the manifesto.

In one of his first moves after taking office in 2008, Castro allowed Cubans to purchase cellphones, DVDs, and other items that were once restricted. That same year, the government leased land to private farmers. This year the administration expanded opportunities for Cubans to start their own businesses. In October he legalized the purchase and sale of cars, and now private property can be bought and sold legally.

So communism failed in Cuba and we are to believe that it is going to take over the USA? I don't think so.

Things like this always irk me. Not because I do not think they are on the right track, but because what they are describing is not Communist/Socialist government. Anyone who has read and understands the basic tenets of Marx and Engels should know this. What they are describing is more of a totalitarian, or nationalism, or something along those lines. I just wanted to point that out.

Honestly, I have questioned my own belief in this because of the American involvement in ending "Communism" during the cold war and Vietnam wars...But after careful consideration, I have concluded it is the governments that are wrong, the governments who have not grasped the truth. Those who say they are Communists, as well as those who say they are fighting Communism. Neither seem to know what true Communism really is.

SO, I do agree that there is probably a martial law type plan that will likely be attempted to be put into effect, but I do not think it is Communists who we have to worry about. They may call themselves Communists or Socialists, but that just shows they are ignorant imo.

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

How in gods name can the USA be on the verge of a communist takeover!!!!!!!

The answer is simple. For the first time in American History, we have a Communist sitting in the Oval Office, who is surrounded by ADMITTED communists in his staff and cabinet.

We let the enemy in.

We need to oust him before it is too late.

I haven't read any of the responses to the OP yet, but I really didn't need this guy to tell me that we are quickly headed for a communist takeover. I am old enough to remember the Soviet Union, and I had a friend who lived there for 21 years. I also worked with people from Communist Romania, and I would often ask them about their home country.

"George", the guy from Moscow and I used to carpool to work together so I heard more about real life under Communism than most people. I know there are a few here who think that the American system is broken and Communism is the answer. I can guarantee that if Communism took hold here you'd regret not doing your research.

First, meat, bread and milk were rarely available in supermarkets. When it was available you had to wait sometimes over an hour in line and hope there was still some left when you finally made your way to the front. People sometimes fought over the last pieces. Empty shelves were the norm when George lived there. Levi jeans were sold on the black market.

In a Communist society there are no "brand name" products. you have one brand of everything, and everything is made by the government by underpaid employees who hate their jobs but are never fired because the government assigns jobs to everyone. Needless to say, the quality is exactly what you'd expect. Imagine your clothes, furniture, cars, and electronics made by the likes of the people who work at the DMV, with the same efficiency and the cheapest materials available.

Does it sound like a nightmare yet? Now imagine minimal to no safety or environmental regulations. Imagine not being allowed to leave the country. Imagine that the government pays a neighbor of your to spy on your family, and you have no idea which one it is. How would you like to live in government-owned and maintained apartments, with leaking roof or no heat or hot water? Just try to get a government maintenence man to rush over and fix it within a month. How much fun would it be if you were making the equivilent of minimum wage and had to take public transportation everywhere because you couldn't afford a car?

All of this was told to me by the people who lived it. Anyone who thinks it would be any different in this country is a fool. Get it through your head that ALL governments, given this kind of power, are the same.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by beezzer

 

When they keep fanning the flames of hatred and resentment such as when they dehumanize people for instance Rich,corporations and create the condition that led up to a flame up such as we saw with the "protests" of OWS they need to gain enough recognition, and popular opinion to move on with the end goal.


Honestly any "hot topic" can be a catalyst money,race,etc. aren't not all communist,socialist movements not based on charasmatic populist figures.

Who knows look how angry people get when taking about key issues

I guess I'm looking for a single issue that would create "the need" for martial law.

Because whatever it is, the populace is going to have to want it.

Sounds alot like something Henry "K"(kissinger") saidin1992:
"hal-low this is henry kissinger he-ah"...
[ext] “"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
[/ext]
thinkexist.com...

Originally posted by xuenchen

Is this all true?

I don't know where the term 'ten planks' came from but yes that is in the Communist Manifesto. Maybe you should read the whole thing, so you understand what those 'ten planks' mean.

They are the steps to develop a communist economic system from the system of capitalism. It is not the rules of communism.

It starts with this comment...

"These measure will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless in the mist advanced countries the following will be generally applicable..."

And ends with this...

"When, in the course of this development, class distinctions have disappeared and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during it's contest with the bourgeois is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organizse itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms, and of class generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

In Place of the old bourgeois society with its classes and class antagonisms we shall have an association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."

But remember this is just the ideas of Engels and Marx, and other socialists. Not all socialists support Marxism and its temporary state system. So don't brush all socialists with the same paint eh?

reply to post by SG-17


Anyone who is actually excited at the prospect of a communist government is either ignorant or so illogically resentful that the system didn't work out for them personally that they'd rather see everyone in the bread lines.

Communism is not the answer and only fools would think it was.

What drug addled nit-wit actually believes this? Seriously? Yeah, and crickets will rule the Earth from atop Mt. Everest.

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
What drug addled nit-wit actually believes this? Seriously? Yeah, and crickets will rule the Earth from atop Mt. Everest.

Seriously, this board resembles Redstate more and more every week. It's become a joke. And they tell you it isn't slanted and it's equal to boot.

This has become a rather laughable political talk board. 90% of the people posting in this thread know nothing about Communism beyond what they were taught in public school. They hate the government on every other occasion but they are so willing to believe whatever falls out of it's mouth concerning it's opposition. It's pathetic, people spouting off about a subject they have no knowledge of.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, if you like socialism/communism so much why haven't you moved to a country that has fully embraced it instead of wanting another nation to fall into another leftwinger dictatorship?

Why do idiots on these forums use this response so much? Why don't YOU move to a country that has no government, and no government intervention, rather than driving this country into the ground with your complete opposition to compromise? Let us all know how much you like whatever country in Africa you choose.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Anyone who is actually excited at the prospect of a communist government is either ignorant or so illogically resentful that the system didn't work out for them personally that they'd rather see everyone in the bread lines.

Communism is not the answer and only fools would think it was.

There is no such thing as "communist government" really. Communism is an economic system. If government/state owns the means of production the correct term is nationalism. The economy of the USSR was primarily nationalised. They were a republic. The workers did not own the means of production.

If there was "communist government", I agree it would not be the answer. As Bakunin pointed out...

"We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality."

Yes there is. It's a political/government/economic/social system. I'd link you if I wasnt typing from my phone.

I can see that our system is completely broken in so many ways it makes me angry. But anyone crying now will be sobbing hysterically with communism.

People just mouth off abou it in support because they think it's trendy to be against the establishment. I'm exhausted with it myself but try not to lose my focus in the process by being so upset that I would ever advocate for the monstrosity that is communism.

We can desire chance without wanting to go from the pan to the fire.

I just don't trust people or the government enough to support it. They would still be in their ivory towers while the people starved.

reply to post by ANOK


Bakunin, one of the most important figures in Socialism (arguably the most important) yet I am quite certain 99% of the people in this thread have no idea what he wrote.

Sad state this place is in.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Yes there is. It's a political/government/economic/social system. I'd link you if I wasnt typing from my phone.

You are speaking to Anok, trust me he knows more about the subject than you do. He is the resident expert on it.

reply to post by antonia


He probably does and it would not surprise me. Anok is a good member and i enjoy his posts . But it's not just economic although that is a part of it. It's a system comprised more than one aspect.

Do you personally advocate a communist system. If so why?

I havent been keeping up with this thread so I don't know where everyone stands.

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by antonia

 

He probably does and it would not surprise me. Anok is a good member and i enjoy his posts . But it's not just economic although that is a part of it. It's a system comprised more than one aspect.

No, it is not. Anok has explained it numerous times. Socialism requires no government. What you are all describing is something different. If the workers don't own it, it isn't socialism.

Do you personally advocate a communist system. If so why?

I havent been keeping up with this thread so I don't know where everyone stands.

No, but I do endeavor to understand it. I advocate neither as neither system can cope with the reality of finite resources. I will state plainly that is one could come up with the solution to the problem of finite resources it would most likely be something more technocratic driven and it wouldn't resemble either argument.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


GM was purchased and taken over by the gov't but it was sold back pretty quickly...

en.wikipedia.org...

...the "You didn't build that..." quote is taken completely out of context.

We're not headed in to socialism or communism. Stop paying attention to and spreading the fear mongering. You're not helping