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Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
The facts as they show before me right now are that Martin was unarmed and not breaking any laws. Zimmerman chose to follow him due to his own thoughts about what Martin might be doing there. Why it was his business, well, I guess he thought it was, as he was "The Watch Captain." Okay, whatever. Not a crime.
At some point, there was a scuffle and Trayvon was shot by Zimmerman with Zimmerman's gun. That's really about all we know that's important--the rest is filler thrown in to make everyone argue and stay confused.
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Just because that BIAS one sided argumented article says that it does not support zimmermans
claim does not mean it is true. Have you people learnt nothing?
We know he hit someone, evidence is zimmermans face.
People came running out of the house, and there are witnesses
who were there and zimmerman had NO TIME to injure himself.
So if he did not injure himself then treyvon injured him.
Which means since treyvon injured him and he has no bruises
or marks that zimmerman NEVER PUNCHED OR TOUCHED HIM AT ALL.
If zimmerman never punched treyvon at all then we know that it was treyvon
who instigated the whole thing by puttingh is hands on zimmermanedit on 29-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrWendal
So by saying that Martin shows no sign of having been in a fight means that Martin did not punch Zimmerman.
Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
Also a mortician is not a medical examiner. Im getting pretty skeptical of Zimmerman though. Still we need real facts, info from ME, actual hospital reports, report from medics etc. Also, still innocent until proven guilty. Also Im not sure but I believing bruising would take time to occur and wouldnt happen after heart stopped.
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by MrWendal
No offense, because we usually agree, but if you are privy to the mortician reports......
Then please post them.........
However that being said, youre saying that Martin shows no sign of this.......how would you know this? because NONE of that has been released?
Just like none of zimmermans records have been released.....
Now being that there was a scuffle and there was a shooting , we know that BOTH have been examined and none of the information has been released to the public.....
For zimmerman OR martin.....we know for a fact, the autopsy of Martin AND the examination of zimmerman havent been released......as per legal statutes....
So how could you know any of this, except for presumtion ?
Otherwise its hearsayedit on 30-3-2012 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by MrWendal
So by saying that Martin shows no sign of having been in a fight means that Martin did not punch Zimmerman.
So zimmerman NEVER punched treyvon since treyvon HAS
NO SIGNS OF BEING IN A FIGHT RIGHT? CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAY FOLKS!!
If zimmerman never punched treyvon
but there was a fight then the only
person who threw a punch was treyvon meaning he started the whole damn thing.
If treyvon started the whole damn thing zimmerman had every right to defend himself.
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Zimmerman did not break any laws. Treyvon did though, your wrong!!
Since we know there was a scuffle, a fight,
and treyvon had no cuts or bruises on him or any signs of a struggle.
THAT zimmerman never hit treyvon! Which would mean treyvon
enganged in the only illegal activity that day by starting the fight and assaulting zimmerman..
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by MrWendal
No offense, because we usually agree, but if you are privy to the mortician reports......
Then please post them.........
However that being said, youre saying that Martin shows no sign of this.......how would you know this? because NONE of that has been released?
Just like none of zimmermans records have been released.....
Now being that there was a scuffle and there was a shooting , we know that BOTH have been examined and none of the information has been released to the public.....
For zimmerman OR martin.....we know for a fact, the autopsy of Martin AND the examination of zimmerman havent been released......as per legal statutes....
So how could you know any of this, except for presumtion ?
Otherwise its hearsayedit on 30-3-2012 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)
The man who prepared Trayvon Martin's body for his funeral did at least two interviews on Wednesday, declaring that the 17-year-old did not have any cuts or bruises on his hands to support George Zimmerman's claim that he was in a fight with the teen before he killed him.
Zimmerman told police that he shot Martin in self defense after Martin repeatedly punched him and slammed his head into the ground. He has not been arrested for the killing.
Originally posted by MrWendal
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Originally posted by MrWendal
So by saying that Martin shows no sign of having been in a fight means that Martin did not punch Zimmerman.
So zimmerman NEVER punched treyvon since treyvon HAS
NO SIGNS OF BEING IN A FIGHT RIGHT? CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAY FOLKS!!
If zimmerman never punched treyvon
but there was a fight then the only
person who threw a punch was treyvon meaning he started the whole damn thing.
If treyvon started the whole damn thing zimmerman had every right to defend himself.
Again you are missing the point.
The Mortician is saying that Martin has no signs on HIS HANDS. I am not talking about marks on the body. I am talking about marks on Martin's hands. If Martin punched Zimmerman, there would be marks on Martin's hands. There are none. There are no marks on Martin's hands that would indicate he punched anyone at all.
If Zimmerman has no marks on his hands, that would mean Zimmerman did not punch Trayvon. If Trayvon has no marks on his hands, that means Trayvon did not punch Zimmerman.
Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?
Originally posted by popsmayhem
See, I understand this but the people
that think zimmerman is guilty are acting like
this is sort of a revelation, when in fact this *funeral director*
is a big moron and I would not go by what he has to say at all.
BUT FOR YOU ZIMMERMAN IS GUILTY FOLKS, KEEP POSTING
THE FUNERAL DIRECTOR and ABC VIDEO AS EVIDENCE...
Keep looking like fools!!
Remember the video that came out the other night
that was the zimmerman is guilty smoking gun, now it is the funeral directors statements.
They want to point at the police video and say ZIMMERMAN DOES NOT LOOK LIKE HE HAS BEEN IN A FIGHT!!
But then say look treyvon has no bruises so zimmerman was the only one hitting and shooting anyone..
DO YOU PEOPLE SEE THIS??edit on 30-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by popsmayhem
Trayvon Martin's funeral director: No signs of fight
www.thegrio.com...
Even more evidence that treyvon was the agressor
attacking zimmerman!!
WE KNOW there was an altercation before the shooting
witnesses saw treyvon on top of zimmerman before the shooting attacking him,
this just further proves that treyvon attacked zimmerman. Of course treyvon
has no marks or bruises because zimmerman did nothing to him until
he was in fear for his life being attacked by treyvon
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
I thought so too. I think Pops method of attack is off, and I think he supported Zimmerman before there was ever any reason to. However now evidence, to me, is pointing towards Zimmerman's story being the truth.
If Martin did attack Zimmerman after he had left the search and was returning to his car and was on top of him beating his head then the shooting would have been justified. I was a big Martin supporter at the beginning, but evidence has turned to the contrary and that is undeniable.