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Originally posted by AlexG141989
I dont have a problem with people who believe in God, just when they claim that they can prove that he indeed does exist. Proving the existance of God cannot be done, there is a reason it is called faith. It is called faith because there is no factual evidence that points to it being a fact. That is why you have to have faith that he exists, you dont really KNOW that he exists, but you have faith that he does... I myself am an atheist, and have seen so many ridiculous posts by theists, who say they can "prove" the existance of "God using logic & critical thinking". We'll that particular thread had everything but logic & critical thinking, & the threadstarter ended up proving absolutely nothing. In another thread there was a theist who was trying to make the claim that the universe was created around human rules made so by God. I stopped reading his post after that, and as I expected his claim was quickly refuted by another poster.
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So since we are so much more vastly superior to animals why are we visible to them?
Originally posted by botiemaster
If you cannot fathom that everything you see around you including the stars above all must have had a beginning therefor a creator since logic and science dictates everything must have a beginning and cannot just poof magically into existance, then you are a lost cause to try to convince. All the proof you need is just about anything you look at. Looking at yourself is proof enough.
But some people rather believe we formed from monkeys over millions of years, it was entirely chance that life is as perfect as it is and as complicated as it is, and that the universe just magically poofed into existance. Some cases people are more accepting to aliens creating us, but God? Oh no, that's far fetched. It's every bit as far fetched as atheists claim God is. It's faith on both accounts, period. The question is who is right. I rather believe a higher power created everything than accepting, "there is no creator, and we just don't know how everything came into being. We're still working on it to learn" Make no mistake. You cannot prove your side anymore than we can. But we certainly have the edge and always will.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm just sorry for people who can't fathom why a God wouldn't make his self known 24/7/365 in broad daylight. Throw the bible at them to explain it to them and it's "just stories, not proof." He gave us the freedom of choice. To be among us is to not give us much choice. It is because of giving us choice that you have the freedom of choosing to believe or not believe. In your mind, if you're truly open to accepting there is a god, would you not want the freedom of choice over no choice? Would you want a dictator for a God?
Originally posted by aLinkToThePast
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Originally posted by NightDweller
Originally posted by AlexG141989
I dont have a problem with people who believe in God, just when they claim that they can prove that he indeed does exist. Proving the existance of God cannot be done, there is a reason it is called faith. It is called faith because there is no factual evidence that points to it being a fact. That is why you have to have faith that he exists, you dont really KNOW that he exists, but you have faith that he does... I myself am an atheist, and have seen so many ridiculous posts by theists, who say they can "prove" the existance of "God using logic & critical thinking". We'll that particular thread had everything but logic & critical thinking, & the threadstarter ended up proving absolutely nothing. In another thread there was a theist who was trying to make the claim that the universe was created around human rules made so by God. I stopped reading his post after that, and as I expected his claim was quickly refuted by another poster.
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What a shame. A Nirvana fan with such clouded view.
What my problem was with atheists is that they don't, and won't embrace a different concept of reality besides there own.
This is how people don't grow.
I'm not saying Christianity is great, nor Catholicism. Or any other text that declares it is 'the way'. No one answer is ever the answer.
Yet I am quite skilled in the Occult, and in saying that, to all the misinformed minds; it has nothing to do with the 'Devil'.
God is everything and he is nothing. We are all pieces of him, and he is pieces of us. Keeping in mind, I am not talking about any one God in particular, as there is no 'one' God. In the bible that they translated the Christian bible into, it wasn't 'God'. It was 'the Gods'. They molded these Gods into one person for there 'truth', and that's only the start of the many false doctrines to occur through out the book. The universe being made by human rules is completely misinformed. Who God really is, is the source. Everything. But most of all, he/she stands for unconditional love. People usually cannot comprehend that. And you, and many other people probably won't, reading this. But when you die, everything will be explained. You can learn then
Originally posted by euclid
reply to post by AlexG141989
In case you haven't realized it. It is also impossible to disprove the existence of God.
-Euclid
Originally posted by euclid
reply to post by AlexG141989
In case you haven't realized it. It is also impossible to disprove the existence of God.
-Euclid
I cant prove that he isn't, the very same way that you can't prove that he is. Do you understand now??? Besides, like was told to me when I asked that same question, the burden of proof isn't on the atheist. It's on the one making the claims. You claim God is real, Ok where is your proof???
Originally posted by AlexG141989
clouded view??? I wont embrace a point a view that doesn't agree with my own??? Man, at least know about what your talking about before you comment. I say that because I had 18 years of my life wasted blindly believing in god. I'm 19 now and my view has never been clearer. When I was young and saw disadvantaged people, I'd wonder why god didn't help them, but he always seemed to have time for those who are already doing pretty good. Ever since I abandoned religion I've seen clearer than I ever had before. And believe me I've grown alot more in the short time I've been an atheist than I did all the 18 years as a believer
Originally posted by TruthParadox
Originally posted by AlexG141989
clouded view??? I wont embrace a point a view that doesn't agree with my own??? Man, at least know about what your talking about before you comment. I say that because I had 18 years of my life wasted blindly believing in god. I'm 19 now and my view has never been clearer. When I was young and saw disadvantaged people, I'd wonder why god didn't help them, but he always seemed to have time for those who are already doing pretty good. Ever since I abandoned religion I've seen clearer than I ever had before. And believe me I've grown alot more in the short time I've been an atheist than I did all the 18 years as a believer
Wow. Every word you just stated mirrors my own life. I'm also 19 and followed God till I was 18. I just got chills reading that post because that's exactly what happened to me.
A scientist was giving a lecture on astronomy. After the lecture, an elderly lady came up and told the scientist that he had it all wrong. 'The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."
The scientist asked "And what is the turtle standing on?"
To which the lady triumphantly replied: "You're very clever, young man, but it's no use -- it's turtles all the way down."
Originally posted by AlexG141989
Originally posted by Perplexed
Well I can't get my mind around the perfectly balanced ecosystem we call earth being just an accident...
Prove to the world that the whole earth thing was an accident is the real challenge...
We'll if you think getting your mind around that is hard, try getting ya mind around some big white haired dude in the sky creating the universe in seven days. That shouldn't be any easier to swallow than the big bang theory is.
Originally posted by undo
So, only Christ can show you truth! Not man!
that's changing, ever so slightly. for example, during the enlightenment, they claimed to have proven that none of the ancient historical texts were reliable or true, for that matter. but since then, science and archaeology have proven that many of their original reasons for claiming the ancient texts were lacking any validity, were incorrect. the foundation for believing the ancient texts of our ancestors are fables and myths, is crumbling.
Originally posted by euclid
Originally posted by AlexG141989
Originally posted by Perplexed
Well I can't get my mind around the perfectly balanced ecosystem we call earth being just an accident...
Prove to the world that the whole earth thing was an accident is the real challenge...
We'll if you think getting your mind around that is hard, try getting ya mind around some big white haired dude in the sky creating the universe in seven days. That shouldn't be any easier to swallow than the big bang theory is.
Where exactly in any holy book is GOD described as a big white-haired dude?
I'd like to know because I have 7 different versions of the Bible, the published/public translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Gnostic Gospels, the Apochrapha, The Tiberten Book of the Dead, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, The Book of Morman, The Torah, The Qahbahala, The Sepher Yetzirah, the Talmud, The Quron, The Divine Pymander, The teachings of Buddha, the Mahabaharahta (15 volume set) and no where in all these and many more holy books of ancient and obscure religions, that you would no doubt be unaware of, that I have in my personal library is there a GOD that is described as an "old white-haired dude". In fact the way most of them describe diety it would appear to match the concepts that have been postulated by quantum physicist Neils Bohr, David Bohm and quantum mechanic Seth Lloyd. And none of them believe in GOD yet their quantum mechanical concepts of how the universe and reality are shaped from the quantum level into this phenomenal reality that we experience correlates to the ancient descriptions of varous GODs.
I think you need to read some more, grasshopper.
-Euclid
Originally posted by mimer
I like this quote from a Stephen Hawking's book.
A scientist was giving a lecture on astronomy. After the lecture, an elderly lady came up and told the scientist that he had it all wrong. 'The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."
The scientist asked "And what is the turtle standing on?"
To which the lady triumphantly replied: "You're very clever, young man, but it's no use -- it's turtles all the way down."
If a God created everything, who created him?
If the answer is "God has always been around", why is that more plausible than a big bang scenario?
Now if I could see and talk to God (which has allegedly happened according to the bible) I'd be a die hard thumper.
But I'd need to experience it for myself to KNOW, (much like a lot of other stories being told on this site). Unfortunately for me that is my reality, and if I would experience it I'd take it as proof to me, but very few people would believe me when I told you all what happened...