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Originally posted by dunwichwitch
God doesn't exist "Out there" somewhere.
This is the mistake many people make, is worshipping it like it is high and mighty. It's nothing to be worshiped. You don't have to thank God for your being. God thanks you for being and teaching him all about this artwork that he made and is experiencing. I guess you can be thankful, but thank yourself because at your core, you are God. If you are not meant to experience what "God" is and what "God isn't, you won't know. You'll either believe or not believe. I can't show you spiritual enlightenment, dude. I can't show you a picture or a statistic, and all the sudden your mind ascends into eternal light and you go "Ahhhhh okay I get what you're taking about now!"
It's not for anybody to prove but yourself. The very fact that you are arguing at all means that you are searching. Once you have the eyes, you will see. Like Crazy Old Jesus said.
Don't ignore it because you've had a bad experience. This is what Orthodox religion has been trying to do for millenia... is get people to lose Faith, and euther blindly believe, or just reject it all together. It's about the Authorities having control. If you truly knew, you would have no need for others to tell you how to act towards one another.
Originally posted by AlexG141989
I dont have a problem with people who believe in God, just when they claim that they can prove that he indeed does exist. Proving the existance of God cannot be done, there is a reason it is called faith. It is called faith because there is no factual evidence that points to it being a fact. That is why you have to have faith that he exists, you dont really KNOW that he exists, but you have faith that he does... I myself am an atheist, and have seen so many ridiculous posts by theists, who say they can "prove" the existance of "God using logic & critical thinking". We'll that particular thread had everything but logic & critical thinking, & the threadstarter ended up proving absolutely nothing. In another thread there was a theist who was trying to make the claim that the universe was created around human rules made so by God. I stopped reading his post after that, and as I expected his claim was quickly refuted by another poster.
You would change your mind in an instant if you stood in front of the
Lord Jesus Christ. You would say over and over......."My God. what
was i thinking?" The Lord Jesus Christ had unconditional love for you.
God Almighty, the spirit father also loves you unconditionally.
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Originally posted by AlexG141989
I dont have a problem with people who believe in God, just when they claim that they can prove that he indeed does exist. Proving the existance of God cannot be done, there is a reason it is called faith. It is called faith because there is no factual evidence that points to it being a fact. That is why you have to have faith that he exists, you dont really KNOW that he exists, but you have faith that he does... I myself am an atheist, and have seen so many ridiculous posts by theists, who say they can "prove" the existance of "God using logic & critical thinking". We'll that particular thread had everything but logic & critical thinking, & the threadstarter ended up proving absolutely nothing. In another thread there was a theist who was trying to make the claim that the universe was created around human rules made so by God. I stopped reading his post after that, and as I expected his claim was quickly refuted by another poster.
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Originally posted by aLinkToThePast
Originally posted by AlexG141989
I dont have a problem with people who believe in God, just when they claim that they can prove that he indeed does exist. Proving the existance of God cannot be done, there is a reason it is called faith. It is called faith because there is no factual evidence that points to it being a fact. That is why you have to have faith that he exists, you dont really KNOW that he exists, but you have faith that he does... I myself am an atheist, and have seen so many ridiculous posts by theists, who say they can "prove" the existance of "God using logic & critical thinking". We'll that particular thread had everything but logic & critical thinking, & the threadstarter ended up proving absolutely nothing. In another thread there was a theist who was trying to make the claim that the universe was created around human rules made so by God. I stopped reading his post after that, and as I expected his claim was quickly refuted by another poster.
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We just had a thread like this a couple days ago, are you serious? Why are you posting this...
Originally posted by Perplexed
Well I can't get my mind around the perfectly balanced ecosystem we call earth being just an accident...
Prove to the world that the whole earth thing was an accident is the real challenge...
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Actually, you can prove there is a God, or.. a higher power of some sort. Its called irreducible complexity, aka intelligent design. My biology professor at a major university explained it using the flagellum tail as an example. It is so complex, it is proven to be impossible it could have simply evolved. Look it up
Originally posted by undo
first thing i noticed was there were some things that were true all over the planet, without fail. aside from the more obvious scientific principles like gravity, there were social and familal norms, everywhere. when i compared it to nature, i noticed the norms in nature were programmed in by default (science calls this instinct but i view it more like biological computer programming). however, in human cultures, it was alot more random. i was amazed to find any cohesive norm had managed to enter the picture -- BUT IT DID! not just in western culture, but every culture, all the way back in human civilzation to the earliest written texts. this thread of truth had wound itself around and threw our historical texts for thousands of years.
some of the ideas were common sense, such as be kind, don't steal, etc. others were more specific - the power of positive thinking/faith. and yet more were extremely esoteric - visions/astral projections. it was hard to ignore because it kept coming up, across religions, eastern, western, didn't matter.
so the next step was to research the historicity of the texts themselves. and that's where it really got interesting. i'd elaborate but this post would spill over into another and another (and probably 5 more), just to list all the remarkable "norms" or connected dots i found. suffice it to say, if you really want to know, you'll find the answers. if you don't want to know, you won't, that is, conceivably. i mean, stranger things have happened.