Ukraine launched a Tochka-U missile strike at Kramatorsk on the number of victims.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Ha ha.

I use Putin's name a lot just to drive home the FACTS that it was Putin who ordered the invasion and all the subsequent killing and its Putin who could put a stop to the death and destruction immediately yet refuses to.

a reply to: RussianTroll

No, those silly Ukrainians didn't bomb their own people. Again.

Sigh.

Russia.

Bad at warring.

Bad at dancing.

And now bad at propagandizing. Pity, because you all used to be so good at it.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

Kind of hard to use other missiles when you don’t have them. I feel bad for the people believe they pulled out of Kyiv because of peace talks. Countless Russia deaths, destroyed air and armor, and lack of munitions. Literally ever source outside of Russian ones has said how Russia has embarrassed itself militarily and ran out of most munitions. You can’t honestly believe that everyone is lying about Russia? China and North Korea even stay silent on the subject. Which is very telling.

Keep cheerleading though. Even the losing team needs cheerleaders.

The worst part about this for Russia is they showed their hand militarily and the world powers are not impressed. Literally the only thing Russia has left is nukes to fall back on. The world is not impressed with the Russian conventional military….at all.

Well, let's wait a little and then the truth will present itself without the possibility of denial.

a reply to: turretless

Hopefully you’ll still be able to access ATS by then. Zelensky asked and got shut down, but Russia wants it done anyway.

The test in ‘19: www.bbc.com...

Phase 1 in ‘21: www.atlanticcouncil.org... behavior/

More reason to do it: news.yahoo.com...

Experts said Russia is likely to turn to China to buy software and hardware products if it is cut off from U.S. and European products for too long. And Russia might have to scramble to find enough physical connections for its internet traffic if neighboring countries or non-Russian companies refuse traffic that runs through overland fiber optic cables.

Enjoy RuNet.

Russian Tochka-U ballistic missiles return to service amid Ukraine war

Mar 31, 2022

Belarus-based analyst released Wednesday video footage reportedly showing a column of Russian military vehicles with “V” marks, which was moving from Rechitsa towards Gomel along the M10 highway.

“There were at least 8 Tochka-U, several BTR-82a, about 9 KamAZ trucks, some of which are carrying Tochka-U missiles, communication vehicle and a crane,” the MotolkoHelp said in a Twitter post.

Russian Armed Forces are reportedly using Tochka-U to strike targets in Ukraine.

a reply to: GravitySucks

This was common sense. Yes Russia has hypersonic missiles. Why use them in a war of no gain and waste millions. Especially after wasting majority of your conventional missiles. Waste more billions and gain no ground?

Russian propagandists lack common sense.

a reply to: Freeborn

Not sure what rock you've been hiding under for 8 years but Ukraine has been killing civilians in the Donbass and separatist areas the whole 8 years. This isn't the first Tochka-U shot at civilians with cluster munitions, much less the first shot into a civilian target area with no military significance. Basically any area which voted to separate after the Maiden Coup as considered an enemy...including anyone who lives in those areas. In fact more so than an enemy they are considered subhuman by the nationalist (nazi) groups and they are quite happy to kill them.

a reply to: GravitySucks

They've been killing the civilians in the Donbass since 2018...they aren't Ukraine's civilians though as they voted to separate in the same way Kosovo did.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

All that is evil in the world comes from the UK. Evil has a base and it's the UK.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

And you can list these brigades, their numbers, locations and photographs of weapons.
otherwise, you will look very pale)))

Gazeta.Ru is a Russian news site based in Moscow. In 2012, ownership of Gazeta.Ru was transferred to Alexander Mamut. In 2020, the state-owned company Sberbank became the sole owner of Gazeta.Ru's holding company, Rambler Media Group.

The owner of the source itself speaks for it.

Russia trying to flex it new missile system was the cause of it outing it’s own troll now. Can’t make stuff like this up.

So if both sides use the same missiles it's down to who you believe be the culprit I guess.

originally posted by: GravitySucks

Belarus-based analyst released Wednesday video footage

Here is a video published on April 3, 2022 on the Ukrainian channel where in the first minute they say that he left Belarus a long time ago (a criminal case has been opened against him there).

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

And you can list these brigades, their numbers, locations and photographs of weapons.
otherwise, you will look very pale)))

Gazeta.Ru is a Russian news site based in Moscow. In 2012, ownership of Gazeta.Ru was transferred to Alexander Mamut. In 2020, the state-owned company Sberbank became the sole owner of Gazeta.Ru's holding company, Rambler Media Group.

The owner of the source itself speaks for it.

Russia trying to flex it new missile system was the cause of it outing it’s own troll now. Can’t make stuff like this up.

So if both sides use the same missiles it's down to who you believe be the culprit I guess.

Actually, yes. Video shows Russia has activated them.

For further consideration Sander1976 made a post about Ukrainians killing Russian POWs. Let me quote the quote:

TV 2 points out that the Special Operations Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces announced in early March that it would no longer show mercy, but would "slaughter like pigs" anyone who contributes to bombing civilians. POWs are officially protected persons. It is not allowed to carry out executions without a trial. A prisoner of war can in principle be brought to trial and sentenced to death, but the death penalty has been abolished in almost all European countries. Once soldiers have laid down their arms and are captured, they must be spared under international law.

So you have a commander being in a rage of passion, obviously he didn’t think it would turn up later, saying to slaughter like pigs anyone who contributes to bombing civilians. So while being used to prove the wholesale slaughter of POWs, in the same sentence it confirms Russian bombing of civilians.

So people use it to complain about murder of POWs, they don’t realize it is also showing the murder of civilians.

While I condemn the slaughter of POWs, I know it’s happening it’s war. If you were in his shoes and innocent civilians dying to Russian bombs in your country….can you blame him? The human element is always taken for granted.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: PassiveSeeker

Kapustin Yar in the Volgograd region of Russia is the world's largest testing ground for anti-missile systems. Tochka-U missiles were used as living mock targets. But these missiles are so ancient and primitive that they are guaranteed to be intercepted by modern medium and short-range air defense systems. This was shown by numerous interceptions of Ukrainian Tochki-U in Donetsk, Lugansk, Taganrog and Belgorod.

Even as mock targets, they have long been irrelevant.

Tell me then. Since they intercept every other single Ukrainian Tochki, why not this one?

Ohh, because it was fired from Russians.

Russian missile defense systems hit every first Point-U.
If you are so smart, then look at the map where the city of Kramatorsk is located. By definition, there cannot be Russian systems there, since Karamatorsk has been under the occupation of Ukraine for 8 years.
You know, I'm just amazed at such illiteracy. LOL!

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

And you can list these brigades, their numbers, locations and photographs of weapons.
otherwise, you will look very pale)))

Gazeta.Ru is a Russian news site based in Moscow. In 2012, ownership of Gazeta.Ru was transferred to Alexander Mamut. In 2020, the state-owned company Sberbank became the sole owner of Gazeta.Ru's holding company, Rambler Media Group.

The owner of the source itself speaks for it.

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Always follow the information back to its source and look behind the curtain. You can't take anything at face value anymore.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
Russian Tochka-U ballistic missiles return to service amid Ukraine war

Mar 31, 2022

Belarus-based analyst released Wednesday video footage reportedly showing a column of Russian military vehicles with “V” marks, which was moving from Rechitsa towards Gomel along the M10 highway.

“There were at least 8 Tochka-U, several BTR-82a, about 9 KamAZ trucks, some of which are carrying Tochka-U missiles, communication vehicle and a crane,” the MotolkoHelp said in a Twitter post.

Russian Armed Forces are reportedly using Tochka-U to strike targets in Ukraine.

Haha!!! Another fake!
These shots are from the Allied Resolve-2022 military exercises. It has nothing to do with the equipment participating in the special military operation. All shots with the movement of the Tochki-U were filmed in Belarus, the letters Z and V were also used for the first time during the exercises, so this is not proof. At these exercises there were 2 sides of the exercises, which were designated by these letters. These are complexes of the Belarusian armed forces, not Russian ones.
This was detailed in the reports on past exercises.))))

At least you checked the information before publishing it. LOL!

a reply to: RussianTroll

Please explain how you would know when this video was taken. Then someone could consider your statement

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

And you can list these brigades, their numbers, locations and photographs of weapons.
otherwise, you will look very pale)))

Gazeta.Ru is a Russian news site based in Moscow. In 2012, ownership of Gazeta.Ru was transferred to Alexander Mamut. In 2020, the state-owned company Sberbank became the sole owner of Gazeta.Ru's holding company, Rambler Media Group.

The owner of the source itself speaks for it.

Russia trying to flex it new missile system was the cause of it outing it’s own troll now. Can’t make stuff like this up.

So if both sides use the same missiles it's down to who you believe be the culprit I guess.

Actually, yes. Video shows Russia has activated them.

For further consideration Sander1976 made a post about Ukrainians killing Russian POWs. Let me quote the quote:

TV 2 points out that the Special Operations Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces announced in early March that it would no longer show mercy, but would "slaughter like pigs" anyone who contributes to bombing civilians. POWs are officially protected persons. It is not allowed to carry out executions without a trial. A prisoner of war can in principle be brought to trial and sentenced to death, but the death penalty has been abolished in almost all European countries. Once soldiers have laid down their arms and are captured, they must be spared under international law.

So you have a commander being in a rage of passion, obviously he didn’t think it would turn up later, saying to slaughter like pigs anyone who contributes to bombing civilians. So while being used to prove the wholesale slaughter of POWs, in the same sentence it confirms Russian bombing of civilians.

So people use it to complain about murder of POWs, they don’t realize it is also showing the murder of civilians.

While I condemn the slaughter of POWs, I know it’s happening it’s war. If you were in his shoes and innocent civilians dying to Russian bombs in your country….can you blame him? The human element is always taken for granted.

Where in the video does it show Russians firing a missile at that particular target?

As for the commander again it's who and what you believe, I know the west too well to believe everything I'm told.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker
a reply to: RussianTroll

Please explain how you would know when this video was taken. Then someone could consider your statement

This fake was exposed in Russia 6 hours ago. According to him, there was even an official explanation from the Ministry of Defense of Russia, which showed more footage from these exercises.
This missile was launched from the settlement of Dobropolye, which is under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In the vicinity of Kramatorsk, there are now 8 Tochka-U launch complexes.
No one has seen or recorded Russian Points -U, they have been decommissioned.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Up to this point, the US codename for the T-72B tank is the "Super Dolly Parton", so named because of the heavy application of armor to the front of the turret, creating a noticeable bulge up front.

After this war, it will be known as the T-72 "Target".

a reply to: RussianTroll

Funny Russia would bring up a video on the 8th of a video posted on the 30th of last month, when the same kind of rocket killed citizens.

Why wasn’t it brought up then?

Also funny Russia flies sorties to blow up oil depots, but not known civilian killing launch sites?