Ukraine launched a Tochka-U missile strike at Kramatorsk on the number of victims.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

You have not debunked anything.


You have merely mouthed off an assertion.

You have not even read the evidence and you are incapable of giving a point by point rebuttal.

The discarded Tochka-U booster separates from the warhead before reaching the target.

The booster always falls short of the target in the direction from which the missile was fired.

In this case the booster carcass was found 252/253 degrees from the railway station and

there were no Russians west of Kramatorsk.

That is something you can't debunk


Missile was fired from west of Kramatorsk- no Russians in that direction

originally posted by: PacificViking
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

You have not debunked anything.


You have merely mouthed off an assertion.

You have not even read the evidence and you are incapable of giving a point by point rebuttal.

The discarded Tochka-U booster separates from the warhead before reaching the target.

The booster always falls short of the target in the direction from which the missile was fired.

In this case the booster carcass was found 252/253 degrees from the railway station and

there were no Russians west of Kramatorsk.

That is something you can't debunk


Missile was fired from west of Kramatorsk- no Russians in that direction

I never said that I did, I said that it had been debunked by others in the Update thread using trusted 3rd party sources.


Meanwhile...


Your 'source' appears to be the 'Alabama Barflies web site.

You don't see the absurdity in quoting 'Alabama Barflies?

About anything except bars in Alabama?



Creative attempt though.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u


You still can't debunk the fact this missile was fired from west of Kramatorsk. You are incapable of debating the evidence.

All you can do is denigrate people with insults.

The evidence conclusively proves Ukraine fired the missile at Kramatorsk which according to reports killed 40-50 civilians.

You are debunked.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Ukraine hit Kramatorsk with a Tochka-U missile: many victims.

This morning, a rocket attack was carried out on the railway station of Kramatorsk. According to preliminary data, from 30 to 40 civilians were killed, more than 100 were injured. Yesterday, the Ukrainian authorities of Kramatorsk announced a general evacuation, and many people gathered at the railway station. today they were attacked.

Spreichenführer Zelensky Arestovich immediately accused Russia of this

Translation:
"Russian troops hit the Kramatorsk railway station with an Iskander-type missile."

The photo shows in detail which missile was struck.

In photo #3:

Photo No. 3.1 Rocket of the Tochka U complex, which is in service with Ukraine
Photo No. 3.2 The wreckage of a rocket that fell in Kramatorsk.
Photo No. 3.3 Rocket of the Iskander complex.

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces. More than 20 years ago, it was replaced by the Iskader missile system, the third modification of which is now in service. Tochka-U is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prior to the start of the Russian military operation, Ukraine had about 700 Tochka-U missiles and about 80 self-propelled tracked launch vehicles to launch them.

President Zelensky nevertheless admitted that the blow to Kramatorsk was carried out by Tochka-U, but still blames Russia for this.

The rocket that fell in Kramatorsk was fired from the southwest - this territory is controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation emphasized (t.me...): on April 8, the Russian armed forces had no fire missions in the city of Kramatorsk and were not planned. And tactical missiles "Tochka-U" are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces.
According to the results of the analysis of damages at the station in Kramatorsk, it can be concluded that the rocket collapsed in the air on the final section of the trajectory. With a high degree of probability, it can be argued that the warhead (warhead) of the missile did not work. Since, during the detonation of a high-explosive warhead, a funnel with a diameter of several meters would have been at the site of the fall, and when using a cluster warhead, the radius of destruction would have been about a kilometer, while damage in such a radius is not observed in Kramatorsk.
Self-destruction of the rocket could have occurred as a result of long-term storage without proper maintenance and routine procedures.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with a large amount of old and obsolete equipment, which leads to misses. For example, on October 4, 2001, the Ukrainian military organized an air defense exercise in Crimea with demonstration firing from S-200 and S-300 systems. And as a result, a passenger plane was shot down over the Black Sea which resulted in the death of 78 people.

I would also note that recently Ukraine has made attempts to modernize its missile forces. For example, in part of the Tochka-U missiles, the proven and reliable Soviet self-destruction systems were replaced with handicraft ones of our own production, which could have caused the tragedy.

Kramatorsk is a city of the Donetsk People's Republic, which was under the occupation of the Nazi battalions of Ukraine for 8 years. These are the same residents as the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk, whom the Kyiv regime does not consider people whom Kyiv has been systematically destroying for 8 years and whom it is ready to sacrifice for the sake of provocation.

Thank you.

Your photos of the discarded missile booster prove it was fired at Kramatorsk from the direction of Ukrainian forces on a heading of 252 degrees from the railway station.

Over the target area these sub-munitions get expelled and explode while still in the air and each one creates some 800 fragments. The warhead thus leaves no hole in the ground but expels a huge number of deadly metal fragments at high speed over a relative large area. The Tochka-U missiles are not very precise. They have a circular error probability (CEP) of some 150 meters. They are so called area-denial weapons to be used against concentrations of infantry or unarmored vehicles.

After being fired the rocket engine propels the warhead towards is destination. Shortly before the impact the warhead separates from the booster section and continues its path while the rocket engine shuts down. Having lost its thrust and aerodynamic tip the relative heavy booster section will then tumble to the ground. If everything works as designed the booster section always falls short of the warhead section.

Thus the booster is a forensic clue who fired the missile.

One can only speculate on the sick justification for Ukraine killing its own people and then blaming Russia, but it is clear Ukraine is deliberately killing civilians for propaganda against Russia.

originally posted by: PacificViking
a reply to: PatriotGames4u


You still can't debunk the fact this missile was fired from west of Kramatorsk. You are incapable of debating the evidence.

All you can do is denigrate people with insults.

The evidence conclusively proves Ukraine fired the missile at Kramatorsk which according to reports killed 40-50 civilians.

You are debunked.

You do understand that russia publicly bragged about hitting the train station and killing soldiers, before retracting it after learning that they were civilians, right?

But feel free to keep trying.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Says nobody except you...

The missile flew from the west which is indisputable. You do realize Tochka-U is not an Iskander missile?

originally posted by: PacificViking
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Says nobody except you...

The missile flew from the west which is indisputable.

Perhaps you should read the 3rd party sources used in the Update thread, I suggest starting with ISW.

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