Ukraine launched a Tochka-U missile strike at Kramatorsk on the number of victims.

Ukraine hit Kramatorsk with a Tochka-U missile: many victims.

This morning, a rocket attack was carried out on the railway station of Kramatorsk. According to preliminary data, from 30 to 40 civilians were killed, more than 100 were injured. Yesterday, the Ukrainian authorities of Kramatorsk announced a general evacuation, and many people gathered at the railway station. today they were attacked.

Spreichenführer Zelensky Arestovich immediately accused Russia of this





Translation:
"Russian troops hit the Kramatorsk railway station with an Iskander-type missile."

The photo shows in detail which missile was struck.





In photo #3:

Photo No. 3.1 Rocket of the Tochka U complex, which is in service with Ukraine
Photo No. 3.2 The wreckage of a rocket that fell in Kramatorsk.
Photo No. 3.3 Rocket of the Iskander complex.





The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces. More than 20 years ago, it was replaced by the Iskader missile system, the third modification of which is now in service. Tochka-U is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prior to the start of the Russian military operation, Ukraine had about 700 Tochka-U missiles and about 80 self-propelled tracked launch vehicles to launch them.

President Zelensky nevertheless admitted that the blow to Kramatorsk was carried out by Tochka-U, but still blames Russia for this.

The rocket that fell in Kramatorsk was fired from the southwest - this territory is controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation emphasized (t.me...): on April 8, the Russian armed forces had no fire missions in the city of Kramatorsk and were not planned. And tactical missiles "Tochka-U" are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces.
According to the results of the analysis of damages at the station in Kramatorsk, it can be concluded that the rocket collapsed in the air on the final section of the trajectory. With a high degree of probability, it can be argued that the warhead (warhead) of the missile did not work. Since, during the detonation of a high-explosive warhead, a funnel with a diameter of several meters would have been at the site of the fall, and when using a cluster warhead, the radius of destruction would have been about a kilometer, while damage in such a radius is not observed in Kramatorsk.
Self-destruction of the rocket could have occurred as a result of long-term storage without proper maintenance and routine procedures.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with a large amount of old and obsolete equipment, which leads to misses. For example, on October 4, 2001, the Ukrainian military organized an air defense exercise in Crimea with demonstration firing from S-200 and S-300 systems. And as a result, a passenger plane was shot down over the Black Sea which resulted in the death of 78 people.

I would also note that recently Ukraine has made attempts to modernize its missile forces. For example, in part of the Tochka-U missiles, the proven and reliable Soviet self-destruction systems were replaced with handicraft ones of our own production, which could have caused the tragedy.

Kramatorsk is a city of the Donetsk People's Republic, which was under the occupation of the Nazi battalions of Ukraine for 8 years. These are the same residents as the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk, whom the Kyiv regime does not consider people whom Kyiv has been systematically destroying for 8 years and whom it is ready to sacrifice for the sake of provocation.

Thank you.

How possible is it that these territories are now completely rogue from Ukraine? and even if Zelenskyy had some control or partnership at one time, with the nazi element, it is now in complete survival mode. These areas are getting pummeled they are obviously going to try every trick they can, doesn't make it right. No doubt these people are getting desperate though, thus this crazy fruitless attempt to garner more "support"

After all, this was Putin's main objective, they got to understand there will be more chances of "no quarter given" when the 2 sides meet in skirmishes. They are desperate...

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019. (The nine brigades were previously equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and the three brigades [3rd, 12th and 464th] were formed.)."

www.gazeta.ru...

a reply to: putnam6

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.
And Britain needs eternal war in Ukraine, eternal chaos, so that the Russian people on both sides kill each other for as long as possible.

a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

The "Great Game" never stopped.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

And you can list these brigades, their numbers, locations and photographs of weapons.
otherwise, you will look very pale)))

This sounds really desperate on your part. And, as if you Ruskis aren't fielding old mobile Tochka's amongst all the other old, unreliable, and rusty tracked vehicles that I've been seeing. (both complete, and in pieces/on fire.) lol

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.
And Britain needs eternal war in Ukraine, eternal chaos, so that the Russian people on both sides kill each other for as long as possible.

So sad. Hate all the losses and destruction. Let's fix this! Tell the Russian invaders to take their killing machines and go back to Russia!

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: RussianTroll

The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces.

"As the source of the publication clarified, the last missile brigade in the Russian Armed Forces received the Iskander at the end of November 2019. The 448th Missile Brigade of the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army of the Western Military District stationed in Kursk has completed re-equipment from the 9K79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile systems to the new 9K720 Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems.

Until recently, the 448th missile brigade was the last of the 13 missile brigades of the Russian Armed Forces, equipped with outdated Tochka-U missile systems. Thus, the re-equipment of this brigade marks the final removal of the Tochka-U OTMS from the armament of the linear units of the Russian Armed Forces (although, probably, the operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

The remaining 12 missile brigades received Iskander-M OTMS brigade sets from 2010 to 2019 (nine brigades were re-equipped with Tochka-U OTMS and three brigades - 3rd, 12th and 464th - were additionally formed)."

www.gazeta.ru...

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

And you can list these brigades, their numbers, locations and photographs of weapons.
otherwise, you will look very pale)))

Gazeta.Ru is a Russian news site based in Moscow. In 2012, ownership of Gazeta.Ru was transferred to Alexander Mamut. In 2020, the state-owned company Sberbank became the sole owner of Gazeta.Ru's holding company, Rambler Media Group.

The owner of the source itself speaks for it.

Russia trying to flex it new missile system was the cause of it outing it’s own troll now. Can’t make stuff like this up.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces. More than 20 years ago, it was replaced by the Iskader missile system, the third modification of which is now in service. Tochka-U is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prior to the start of the Russian military operation, Ukraine had about 700 Tochka-U missiles and about 80 self-propelled tracked launch vehicles to launch them.

*snip*

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with a large amount of old and obsolete equipment, which leads to misses. For example, on October 4, 2001, the Ukrainian military organized an air defense exercise in Crimea with demonstration firing from S-200 and S-300 systems. And as a result, a passenger plane was shot down over the Black Sea which resulted in the death of 78 people.

*snip*

Kramatorsk is a city of the Donetsk People's Republic, which was under the occupation of the Nazi battalions of Ukraine for 8 years. These are the same residents as the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk, whom the Kyiv regime does not consider people whom Kyiv has been systematically destroying for 8 years and whom it is ready to sacrifice for the sake of provocation.

You do realize that large numbers of people had worked out over a week ago that Russia was more or less out of its regular missiles. Hell its just not missiles either, Russia has been fielding crap from 50+ years ago in their invasion the last couple of weeks, hell Russians were seen fielding motorcycle flatbeds with WW2 machine guns mounted on them lol. Yet somehow this is 100% a Ukrainian missile only and not the Russians dredging their old arsenal for munitions and armaments?

So the missile landed in an area that is a separatist pro Russian held break away region that calls itself a republic... yet somehow its the Ukrainians bombing themselves? You do realize that every time the Ukrainians have tried to get a humanitarian corridor going for civilian evacuations in cities undersiege the last month and the Russians say every time yeah we'll let you... the Russians turn around and start shelling the corridors any way.

Provocation?... who the f'ing f is the country that invaded the other? f me f'ing sideways... what on earth is Ukraine trying to provocate in any of this? Honestly, WTF?

From what i can find Ukraine has(had) 90 Tochka-U (not your 700).

Also you say Russia has none of these missiles... then why did this happen according to Wiki?

On 24 February 2022, a 9M79 Tochka missile was used by Russian forces striking near a hospital building in Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, killing 4 civilians and wounding 10. Amnesty International investigation confirmed that a hospital was targeted, not a military target

They still have em, and they are using em.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.
And Britain needs eternal war in Ukraine, eternal chaos, so that the Russian people on both sides kill each other for as long as possible.

And you just jumped the shark, the stadium next to the pool, the car park, the state border and landed into a stable low orbit around Earth with that one... wow.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

Pretty much what I was thinking too?

the answer is "the Great Game" ?

While Im a fan of history and its linkage to current events, this seems dubious at best.

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.

Fantastic claims require at least some evidence from this century

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

It's not my fault that Google Translate is sometimes unable to translate correctly.

The meaning there is such that earlier these 9 brigades were equipped with Tochka-U.

But thank you, I will correct this translation now.

a reply to: PassiveSeeker

I asked specific questions. Hoping to get specific answers.
The whole world knows that Tochka-U is not in service with Russia, but you are trying to prove the opposite. Well, keep trying. From your attempts, reality will not change from the word "NO".)))

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

Pretty much what I was thinking too?

the answer is "the Great Game" ?

While Im a fan of history and its linkage to current events, this seems dubious at best.

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.

Fantastic claims require at least some evidence from this century

Russians say: "When it seems to you, you need to be baptized"

a reply to: RussianTroll

I’m not holding your hand through the countless sources that say they do. Including the Sberbank state owned Russian source.

And with Russia being out of its newer missiles from indiscriminate firing thinking it’d take Ukraine fast they now have to use the

Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

So it stand the Russian source still says it has and uses these.

I like the claim that Russia isn't using antiquated technology and equipment in the field so this must have been fired on Ukrainian citizens by their own military. I'll just ignore the multitude of Soviet-era tank hulks littering the streets of northern Ukraine since Russia wouldn't use a clunker like the T-72/80/90. Thank all that's holy they haven't deployed their modern aircraft carrier (singular), then we'd see what really advanced military hardware looks like.

FFS.

Statement by Russian Defence Ministry

08.04.2022 (14:50)

In order to accuse Russia of an alleged missile strike on Kramatorsk railway station, Kiev regime has posted on social media pictures of Tochka-U missile launchers that took part in "Union Courage 2022" Russian-Belarusian exercise in February.

Please note, all photos published by Kiev from "Union Courage 2022" exercise show non-Russian missile systems.

Tochka-U tactical missiles whose wreckage was found near Kramatorsk railway station are used only by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

According to clarified information, the strike on Kramatorsk railway station was carried out by missile division of the Ukrainian armed forces from the area of Dobropol’e, 45 kilometres south-west of the city.

The aim of the Kiev regime's strike on the railway station in Kramatorsk was to disrupt the mass exit of residents from the city in order to use them as a "human shield" to defend Ukrainian armed forces positions, as in many other Ukrainian population centres.

eng.mil.ru...

originally posted by: BigfootNZ

originally posted by: RussianTroll
The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces. More than 20 years ago, it was replaced by the Iskader missile system, the third modification of which is now in service. Tochka-U is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prior to the start of the Russian military operation, Ukraine had about 700 Tochka-U missiles and about 80 self-propelled tracked launch vehicles to launch them.

*snip*

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with a large amount of old and obsolete equipment, which leads to misses. For example, on October 4, 2001, the Ukrainian military organized an air defense exercise in Crimea with demonstration firing from S-200 and S-300 systems. And as a result, a passenger plane was shot down over the Black Sea which resulted in the death of 78 people.

*snip*

Kramatorsk is a city of the Donetsk People's Republic, which was under the occupation of the Nazi battalions of Ukraine for 8 years. These are the same residents as the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk, whom the Kyiv regime does not consider people whom Kyiv has been systematically destroying for 8 years and whom it is ready to sacrifice for the sake of provocation.

You do realize that large numbers of people had worked out over a week ago that Russia was more or less out of its regular missiles. Hell its just not missiles either, Russia has been fielding crap from 50+ years ago in their invasion the last couple of weeks, hell Russians were seen fielding motorcycle flatbeds with WW2 machine guns mounted on them lol. Yet somehow this is 100% a Ukrainian missile only and not the Russians dredging their old arsenal for munitions and armaments?

So the missile landed in an area that is a separatist pro Russian held break away region that calls itself a republic... yet somehow its the Ukrainians bombing themselves? You do realize that every time the Ukrainians have tried to get a humanitarian corridor going for civilian evacuations in cities undersiege the last month and the Russians say every time yeah we'll let you... the Russians turn around and start shelling the corridors any way.

Provocation?... who the f'ing f is the country that invaded the other? f me f'ing sideways... what on earth is Ukraine trying to provocate in any of this? Honestly, WTF?

From what i can find Ukraine has(had) 90 Tochka-U (not your 700).

Also you say Russia has none of these missiles... then why did this happen according to Wiki?

On 24 February 2022, a 9M79 Tochka missile was used by Russian forces striking near a hospital building in Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, killing 4 civilians and wounding 10. Amnesty International investigation confirmed that a hospital was targeted, not a military target

They still have em, and they are using em.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.
And Britain needs eternal war in Ukraine, eternal chaos, so that the Russian people on both sides kill each other for as long as possible.

And you just jumped the shark, the stadium next to the pool, the car park, the state border and landed into a stable low orbit around Earth with that one... wow.

Wishful thinking

Russia has just begun to use high-precision missiles. And the world's first combat use of the Kinzhal air-launched hypersonic missile was observed by the whole world.
Do not worry, Russia has a lot of modern hypersonic missiles, air, land and sea based, enough to destroy all enemies several times. The West does not have such missiles and will not have them in the near future.
Well, you have probably seen enough photoshopped images of the Ukrainian army in 2014, which are now passed off as Russian troops. Continue in your delusions. In reality, it is better for Russia to be underestimated than to know its real power.