Ukraine launched a Tochka-U missile strike at Kramatorsk on the number of victims.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

Thanks for dispelling this disinformation so quickly. 9 Russian brigades minimum equipped with Tochka systems.

It's not my fault that Google Translate is sometimes unable to translate correctly.

The meaning there is such that earlier these 9 brigades were equipped with Tochka-U.

But thank you, I will correct this translation now.

he operation of the Tochka-U will continue for some time with parts of the 60th training center for the combat use of the Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Russian troops in Kapustin Yar).

Point stands.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

I like the claim that Russia isn't using antiquated technology and equipment in the field so this must have been fired on Ukrainian citizens by their own military. I'll just ignore the multitude of Soviet-era tank hulks littering the streets of northern Ukraine since Russia wouldn't use a clunker like the T-72/80/90. Thank all that's holy they haven't deployed their modern aircraft carrier (singular), then we'd see what really modern military hardware looks like.

FFS.

If you cannot distinguish the T-64 tank produced by the Ukrainian Kharkov Tank Plant from the T-72 and T-80 tanks produced by the Russian plant in Nizhny Tagil and the Kirov plant Omsktransmash, then this is a problem of your intellect and knowledge. For any specialist, the difference is obvious.

If Russian tanks are, as you say, "clunkers", then why are you so terribly afraid of them.

Tank groups consisting of T-90 and T-14 "Armata" escorted by combat vehicles to support tanks "Terminator" have not yet entered the battles. They are for NATO.The tactics and strategy of use have been tested in Syria. The Americans have already experienced them for themselves. As well as detachments of combat robotic tracked assault systems included in the network-centric warfare system. There, no one will be able to get close to them within a radius of 10-20 kilometers.
Remain in bliss through your own ignorance))))

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: BigfootNZ

originally posted by: RussianTroll
The fact is that the Soviet Tochka-U missile system has long been out of service with the Russian Armed Forces. More than 20 years ago, it was replaced by the Iskader missile system, the third modification of which is now in service. Tochka-U is in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prior to the start of the Russian military operation, Ukraine had about 700 Tochka-U missiles and about 80 self-propelled tracked launch vehicles to launch them.

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with a large amount of old and obsolete equipment, which leads to misses. For example, on October 4, 2001, the Ukrainian military organized an air defense exercise in Crimea with demonstration firing from S-200 and S-300 systems. And as a result, a passenger plane was shot down over the Black Sea which resulted in the death of 78 people.

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Kramatorsk is a city of the Donetsk People's Republic, which was under the occupation of the Nazi battalions of Ukraine for 8 years. These are the same residents as the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk, whom the Kyiv regime does not consider people whom Kyiv has been systematically destroying for 8 years and whom it is ready to sacrifice for the sake of provocation.

You do realize that large numbers of people had worked out over a week ago that Russia was more or less out of its regular missiles. Hell its just not missiles either, Russia has been fielding crap from 50+ years ago in their invasion the last couple of weeks, hell Russians were seen fielding motorcycle flatbeds with WW2 machine guns mounted on them lol. Yet somehow this is 100% a Ukrainian missile only and not the Russians dredging their old arsenal for munitions and armaments?

So the missile landed in an area that is a separatist pro Russian held break away region that calls itself a republic... yet somehow its the Ukrainians bombing themselves? You do realize that every time the Ukrainians have tried to get a humanitarian corridor going for civilian evacuations in cities undersiege the last month and the Russians say every time yeah we'll let you... the Russians turn around and start shelling the corridors any way.

Provocation?... who the f'ing f is the country that invaded the other? f me f'ing sideways... what on earth is Ukraine trying to provocate in any of this? Honestly, WTF?

From what i can find Ukraine has(had) 90 Tochka-U (not your 700).

Also you say Russia has none of these missiles... then why did this happen according to Wiki?

On 24 February 2022, a 9M79 Tochka missile was used by Russian forces striking near a hospital building in Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, killing 4 civilians and wounding 10. Amnesty International investigation confirmed that a hospital was targeted, not a military target

They still have em, and they are using em.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.
And Britain needs eternal war in Ukraine, eternal chaos, so that the Russian people on both sides kill each other for as long as possible.

And you just jumped the shark, the stadium next to the pool, the car park, the state border and landed into a stable low orbit around Earth with that one... wow.

Wishful thinking

Russia has just begun to use high-precision missiles. And the world's first combat use of the Kinzhal air-launched hypersonic missile was observed by the whole world.
Do not worry, Russia has a lot of modern hypersonic missiles, air, land and sea based, enough to destroy all enemies several times. The West does not have such missiles and will not have them in the near future.
Well, you have probably seen enough photoshopped images of the Ukrainian army in 2014, which are now passed off as Russian troops. Continue in your delusions. In reality, it is better for Russia to be underestimated than to know its real power.

It’s quite a shame all this high tec equipment would have to be used to hurt Ukraine. All Russias stockpile gone for a war with no gain? Can’t even manufacture tanks anymore. Running out of conventional ammo.

All this life lost. All this equipment lost. All these munitions lost. All this respect lost. For no gain.

Cheerlead for Russia all you want.

www.independent.co.uk...

From a respected world power to a joke in a few short months.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
If Russian tanks are, as you say, "clunkers", then why are you so terribly afraid of them.

LOL. 'Afraid'? I think St. Javelin along with her drone armada has shown that no one is afraid of them, you have barely-trained Ukrainians popping them open like piñatas.

Mmmmmmm, smell that? Russian BBQ.

a reply to: PassiveSeeker

Kapustin Yar in the Volgograd region of Russia is the world's largest testing ground for anti-missile systems. Tochka-U missiles were used as living mock targets. But these missiles are so ancient and primitive that they are guaranteed to be intercepted by modern medium and short-range air defense systems. This was shown by numerous interceptions of Ukrainian Tochki-U in Donetsk, Lugansk, Taganrog and Belgorod.

Even as mock targets, they have long been irrelevant.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

Pretty much what I was thinking too?

the answer is "the Great Game" ?

While Im a fan of history and its linkage to current events, this seems dubious at best.

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.

Fantastic claims require at least some evidence from this century

Russians say: "When it seems to you, you need to be baptized"

Americans say "When you answer with quotes and cliches makes your whole argument seems weak"

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: RussianTroll
If Russian tanks are, as you say, "clunkers", then why are you so terribly afraid of them.

LOL. 'Afraid'? I think St. Javelin along with her drone armada has shown that no one is afraid of them, you have barely-trained Ukrainians popping them open like piñatas.

Mmmmmmm, smell that? Russian BBQ.

Just ask your military.
And throwing accusations and insults at an amateur is simply ridiculous.

a reply to: PassiveSeeker

From a respected world power to a joke in a few short months

Putin couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

Pathetic.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

And how on earth would the UK benefit from all this?

Pretty much what I was thinking too?

the answer is "the Great Game" ?

While Im a fan of history and its linkage to current events, this seems dubious at best.

Zelensky now is completely under the control of the British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the British do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it.

Fantastic claims require at least some evidence from this century

Russians say: "When it seems to you, you need to be baptized"

Americans say "When you answer with quotes and cliches makes your whole argument seems weak"

They speak correctly. Every day I read dozens of identical clichés under my threads))))

a reply to: putnam6

RT seems to be getting desperate and resorting to anything to justify the actions of Putin and his forces.

The Great Game?
Sure, but usually there's an end game of sorts.....but I really fail to see what the UK would gain in such a scenario.

And as you say, absolutely nothing to substantiate the claim.

Strangely, basically no one wants to discuss the photos of the missile, but they constantly try to belittle the Russian military by talking off topic.
Let's analyze the photos? Weak?))))

And who here is constantly trying to engage in trolling? I? No, my dear opponents))))

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: putnam6

RT seems to be getting desperate and resorting to anything to justify the actions of Putin and his forces.

The Great Game?
Sure, but usually there's an end game of sorts.....but I really fail to see what the UK would gain in such a scenario.

And as you say, absolutely nothing to substantiate the claim.

It seems to me that without the word "Putin" you can't help but fall asleep, don't go to the toilet)))
Phobias?

Sounds just like what russian panzies would do. Make it look like their massing for a attack in one area, wait for authorities to announce a evacuation for that area, then when civilians pack into a train station to leave, hit it with missiles.

Then turn their shills lose on social media to brag and lie about it, just F___king Sad.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: PassiveSeeker

Kapustin Yar in the Volgograd region of Russia is the world's largest testing ground for anti-missile systems. Tochka-U missiles were used as living mock targets. But these missiles are so ancient and primitive that they are guaranteed to be intercepted by modern medium and short-range air defense systems. This was shown by numerous interceptions of Ukrainian Tochki-U in Donetsk, Lugansk, Taganrog and Belgorod.

Even as mock targets, they have long been irrelevant.

Tell me then. Since they intercept every other single Ukrainian Tochki, why not this one?

Ohh, because it was fired from Russians.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

Point stands.

Look for more errors in Google Translate.



Land Forces complete rearmament on Iskander tactical missile system

22.11.2019 (05:06)

Today at the Kapustin Yar training ground, a solemn ceremony will be held to present the Iskander tactical missile brigade system set to the military personnel of the Western Military District missile compound. The transfer of this complex completes the rearmament of the existing missile units of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The ceremony will be attended by the chief of combat training - deputy chief of missile troops and artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Colonel Yuri Zaritsky, the command of the Western Military District and representatives of defence industry enterprises.

The military personnel of the missile compound will be handed over to several dozens of launchers, transport-loading and command-staff vehicles, life support equipment, regulations and maintenance.

Currently, in the training center for combat use (missile troops), located in the Astrakhan region, the crews of the missile formation have begun to practice practical actions on a modern missile system.

The transfer of this complex completes the rearmament of the existing missile units of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

eng.mil.ru...

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Just ask your military.

Our military are the ones who sent the Javelins, it's a great live fire test case to blow up the equipment of the country they were designed to blow up and they are working amazingly as evidence by all the cooked off tanks/Russians.

The last time I checked updates Ukraine since this began had launched 22 Tohka-Us . Most were shot down. A lot of them were videoed and the wreckage was found.

I haven't checked in almost a week.

a reply to: turretless

That’s not the part I addressed. It clearly states, and I checked that they would continue to be in use for some time especially at the 60th Training Center. With Russia being mostly out and not wanting to use all weaponry during this war of no gain, it makes perfect sense they would be used.

originally posted by: PassiveSeeker

That’s not the part I addressed. It clearly states, and I checked that they would continue to be in use for some time especially at the 60th Training Center. With Russia being mostly out and not wanting to use all weaponry during this war of no gain, it makes perfect sense they would be used.

I understand your point of view.

The Russian army uses weapons that it has refused to use.

Amazingly beautiful logic!

a reply to: turretless

Kind of hard to use other missiles when you don’t have them. I feel bad for the people believe they pulled out of Kyiv because of peace talks. Countless Russia deaths, destroyed air and armor, and lack of munitions. Literally ever source outside of Russian ones has said how Russia has embarrassed itself militarily and ran out of most munitions. You can’t honestly believe that everyone is lying about Russia? China and North Korea even stay silent on the subject. Which is very telling.

Keep cheerleading though. Even the losing team needs cheerleaders.

The worst part about this for Russia is they showed their hand militarily and the world powers are not impressed. Literally the only thing Russia has left is nukes to fall back on. The world is not impressed with the Russian conventional military….at all.