The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

edition.cnn.com...

" Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems…" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you? "

"there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal. Anyone for microwave popcorn?"

fake or not, give john some credit.

[edit on 13-9-2006 by grimreaper797]

Exactly. Give him AT LEAST some credit for his insight...

Link
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A White House-backed bill that would enable a secret court to review President George W. Bush's warrantless domestic spying program won approval on Wednesday from the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.

Republicans backed the measure, saying it would enable the court created by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to examine the legality of the program begun shortly after the September 11 attacks and first disclosed last December.

Another bill against US citizens and the free world. A ``secret court``, with people chosen by him? We won't even know who voted for it... I'll retract if the warrantless domestic spying program become again legal, I mean, with warrants.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Exactly. Give him AT LEAST some credit for his insight...


Link
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A White House-backed bill that would enable a secret court to review President George W. Bush's warrantless domestic spying program won approval on Wednesday from the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.

Republicans backed the measure, saying it would enable the court created by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to examine the legality of the program begun shortly after the September 11 attacks and first disclosed last December.

This will give the government's ability to eavesdrop and search the houses of U.S. citizens without court approval.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
And I answered plainly NO. The wedge is NOT larger now than it was in the past. If you have ANY evidence to show that it is, please present it.

the bill above is another wedge to add.

TJW, I have to help you a little I guess.... anyway the government has learned alot since the 60's in controlling civil unrest by all means..It may look all orderly, but now the government controls the deception...


again you don't understand what i was talking about in a earlier post, the President words this month "we're safer" is referring since 9/11.... security is part of the issue this month as well.....

I posted:
Oh come on now ThatsJustWeird, Ye Have Little Faith..... Is there not a larger wedge in your Bill of Rights now.
I guess you take the President words "we're safer" for granted.

If you had quoted me right, you would of known compared to what.......but you knew that Right.......more the antagonist you are.


Give him AT LEAST some credit for his insight...

Titor's words:
02/19/2001
The President or ?leader? in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.

02/19/2001
In my opinion, people “now” take clean water, electricity and their feeling of safety for granted.

02/27/2001
You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.


[edit on 15-9-2006 by XPhiles]

Source

Bush's news conference came a day after four Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee broke with the administration and joined Democrats in approving a bill assuring that foreign terrorism suspects would be accorded Geneva Convention protections. Bush claims that measure would compromise the war on terrorism.

He don't care about humans rights, he care about his propaganda. Those 4 republicans who support the democrats...
McCain... was tortured by the vietnamese.
Frist. According to CNN, he threatened to ignore the Armed Services Committee and bring Bush's proposal directly to the Senate floor.
McCain and Warner wants to run for presidency in 08...

He is urging the Senate to pass a bill more like a House-passed one that would allow his administration to continue holding and trying terror suspects before military tribunals and to give interrogators more leeway.

Again...

"Unfortunately the recent Supreme Court decision put the future of this program in question. ... We need this legislation to save it."

Anything the supreme court is against, Bush is trying to ask it again and again, until he have what he wants. Like a child.

He said he voted in committee for the House-administration position to "move the process along," but said he will attempt to amend it when the House votes next week. "I don't want to give any terrorist a free pass or get-out-of-jail-free card," Skelton said.

"We must...provide our military and intelligence professionals with the tools they need to protect our country from another attack. And the reason they need those tools is because the enemy wants to attack us again."

Bush has made the struggle against terrorism and the war in Iraq the top issues in the November elections, hoping to persuade voters that Republicans are better than Democrats at protecting the country.

Titor words:

02/27/2001
You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.

Also, if GOP members are revolting and Bush is impeached... Cheney will become president... that would be bad...

From another article...

"We'll do what the president wants," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

From the Bush september 11 speech

Winning this war will require the determined efforts of a unified country, and we must put aside our differences and work together to meet the test that history has given us. We will defeat our enemies. We will protect our people. And we will lead the 21st century into a shining age of human liberty.

Titor words:

The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.

As mondegreen said, 22th amendment was repealed!

[edit on 15-9-2006 by Vitchilo]

so when are y'all moving to fiji ?

Never.

Source

Hunger and Homelessness Increasing in the US
Sources:
The New Standard, December 2005
Title: “New Report Shows Increase in Urban Hunger, Homelessness”
Author: Brendan Coyne

OneWorld.net, March, 2006
Title: “US Plan to Eliminate Survey of Needy Families Draws Fire “
Author: Abid Aslam

Faculty Evaluator: Myrna Goodman
Student Researcher: Arlene Ward and Brett Forest

Some importants quotes from the article:

The number of hungry and homeless people in U.S. cities continued to grow in 2005, despite claims of an improved economy. Increased demand for vital services rose as needs of the most destitute went unmet, according to the annual U.S. Conference of Mayors Report, which has documented increasing need since its 1982 inception.

More than three-quarters of cities surveyed reported increases in demand for food and housing, especially among families. Food aid requests expanded by 12 percent in 2005, while aid center and food bank resources grew by only 7 percent. Service providers estimated 18 percent of requests went unattended. Housing followed a similar trend, as a majority of cities reported an increase in demand for emergency shelter, often going unmet due to lack of resources.

As urban hunger and homelessness increases in America, the Bush administration is planning to eliminate a U.S. survey widely used to improve federal and state programs for low-income and retired Americans, reports Abid Aslam.

Supporters of the survey elimination say the program costs too much at $40 million per year. They would kill it in September and eventually replace it with a scaled-down version that would run to $9.2 million in development costs during the coming fiscal year.

What would happen if a major economic crash occurs with no program to help and be informed on the poors? What will happen if 20 millions people can't eat? During the 29 economic crash, people were able to eat because of programs like this one and because the US population was a lot less than today. Now with 300 millions people, dependance on foreign oil and strong individuality... it'll be bad. Maybe the government will force people into the cities, where there is food, but also a lot of policemen, national guards, not a lot of civil liberties... you know, comply or die?

Homeland Security Contracts KBR to Build Detention Centers in the US

Sources:
New America Media, January 31, 2006
Title: “Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps”
Author: Peter Dale Scott

New America Media, February 21, 2006
Title: “10-Year US Strategic Plan for Detention Camps Revives Proposals from Oliver North”
Author: Peter Dale Scott

Consortiium, February 21, 2006
Title: “Bush's Mysterious ‘New Programs’”
Author: Nat Parry

Buzzflash
Title: “Detention Camp Jitters”
Author: Maureen Farrell

Community Evaluator: Dr. Gary Evans
Student Researchers: Sean Hurley and Caitlyn Peele

Some importants quotes from the article:

Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced on January 24, 2006 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps in the United States.

The detention camps are made to face a massive mexican invasion... what a bunch of hypocrytes... this plan, creating new detentions centers, was made by the same people who created the North American Union, so it's pure BS, the detention camps will NOT be use against immigrants.

Less attention was focused on the phrase “rapid development of new programs” or what type of programs might require a major expansion of detention centers, capable of holding 5,000 people each. Jamie Zuieback, spokeswoman for ICE, declined to elaborate on what these “new programs” might be.

It is relevant, says Scott, that in 2002 Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.” On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers” who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.”

Parry notes that The Washington Post reported on February 15, 2006 that the National Counterterrorism Center’s (NCTC) central repository holds the names of 325,000 terrorist suspects, a fourfold increase since fall of 2003.

In 2003, 325.000 suspects... in 2006, + 500.000? Are the 911 truth seekers terrorists? Are anti-war people terrorists?

But there are concerns, warns Parry, over how the Pentagon judges “threats” and who falls under the category of “those who would harm us.” A Pentagon official said the Counterintelligence Field Activity’s TALON program has amassed files on antiwar protesters.

It seems so...

[edit on 18-9-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so when are y'all moving to fiji ?

not going there lol... but I did buy some slime self-sealing bike tubes today, top of the line stuff. I'm gonna give them a test run next week.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
The subject is Titor and his civil war. That's what I discussed. You changed the subject to something about 2008...

Titor's words:
Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out.





[edit on 19-9-2006 by XPhiles]

And now we can call it official: civil war in Iraq. So how are we going to respond to that in our 'secure' homeland?

www.nzherald.co.nz...
Ethnic civil war rages through Iraq
1.00pm Monday September 25, 2006

Civil war is raging through the Iraqi countryside.

Sunni insurgents have largely taken control of the province of Diyala, where local leaders believe the insurgents are close to establishing a 'Taleban republic'. Officials in the strategically important, mixed Sunni and Shia province with a Kurdish minority, have no doubt about what is happening.

Lt Col Ahmed Ahmed Nuri Hassan, a weary looking commander of the federal police, says: "Now there is an ethnic civil war and it is getting worse every day."

At the moment the Sunni seem to be winning it. As the violence has escalated in Iraq over the past three years it has become too dangerous for journalists to find out what is happening in the provinces outside the capital.

The UN said last week that 5106 civilians were killed in Baghdad in July and August and 1493 in the provinces outside it.

Originally posted by Roth Joint
And now we can call it official: civil war in Iraq. So how are we going to respond to that in our 'secure' homeland?

www.nzherald.co.nz...
Ethnic civil war rages through Iraq
1.00pm Monday September 25, 2006

Civil war is raging through the Iraqi countryside.

Sunni insurgents have largely taken control of the province of Diyala, where local leaders believe the insurgents are close to establishing a 'Taleban republic'. Officials in the strategically important, mixed Sunni and Shia province with a Kurdish minority, have no doubt about what is happening.

Lt Col Ahmed Ahmed Nuri Hassan, a weary looking commander of the federal police, says: "Now there is an ethnic civil war and it is getting worse every day."

At the moment the Sunni seem to be winning it. As the violence has escalated in Iraq over the past three years it has become too dangerous for journalists to find out what is happening in the provinces outside the capital.

The UN said last week that 5106 civilians were killed in Baghdad in July and August and 1493 in the provinces outside it.

5106 in two months? jesus christ thats horrible.

how many consecutive months has titor been wrong about waco events receiving media coverage like elian gonzalez now ?

33 ?

If he was so wrong about that, and the date that the LHC collider goes on line, and the american civil war of 2004 , why would anyone put any stock in the 2008 date ?

maybe the ruskies nuke us tomorrow ?



considering the amount of nuclear devastation and radiation, and fallout, and the prevalent jetstream going from west to east, the US and africa and Europe are probably not safe places to live

why would any believers live in these areas ?

why ?

For those of you who insist on continuing...

Any doomsday "Oil's about to hit $100" articles lately?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
how many consecutive months has titor been wrong about waco events receiving media coverage like elian gonzalez now ?

33 ?

I don't recall Titor ever said the 'Waco-type events' would start in 2004. He only mentioned them as a part of the civil war and they would start on a monthly base steadily getting worse. Let's wait and see what happens in 2008...

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
If he was so wrong about that, and the date that the LHC collider goes on line, and the american civil war of 2004 , why would anyone put any stock in the 2008 date ?

maybe the ruskies nuke us tomorrow ?

I don’t recall Titor ever said the LHC Collider would go on-line on a specific date. Titor only said “soon” (which can mean several years) on numerous occasions. He never mentioned a date. Titor indeed said in 2000/2001 that the major breakthrough would happen at CERN in about a year when they accidentally will create microsingularities. So according to Titor they already did, but they probably will only become aware of it when the big LHC Collider comes on-line.

About the second American civil war in 2004/2005…already answered in previous posts:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
considering the amount of nuclear devastation and radiation, and fallout, and the prevalent jetstream going from west to east, the US and africa and Europe are probably not safe places to live

why would any believers live in these areas ?

why ?

There’s still some time to figure that out…. ofcourse before 2015…..

how is that civil war going ? wouldn't the democrats use that against the republicans in the upcoming elections ?

oh, wait, it never happened

my bad

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
how is that civil war going ? wouldn't the democrats use that against the republicans in the upcoming elections ?

oh, wait, it never happened

my bad

you really stopped contributing to this thread a while ago syrinx and its just getting old now. you went from actually posing an arguement to making some points, and now your just being sarcastic and disruptive of the thread.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
For those of you who insist on continuing...

Any doomsday "Oil's about to hit $100" articles lately?

I'd rather call this temporary period a "silence before the storm"...

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net...
A June 2006 report indicated the world's biggest five oil companies are now "focusing on developing existing reserves." That's a nice way of saying "there aren't enough significant sized oil fields left to find to make it worth our time and money to look for them."

In a similar sense, an oil-based economy such as ours doesn't need to deplete its entire reserve of oil before it begins to collapse. A shortfall between demand and supply as little as 10-15 percent is enough to wholly shatter an oil-dependent economy and reduce its citizenry to poverty.

Originally posted by grimreaper797

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
how is that civil war going ? wouldn't the democrats use that against the republicans in the upcoming elections ?

oh, wait, it never happened

my bad

you really stopped contributing to this thread a while ago syrinx and its just getting old now. you went from actually posing an arguement to making some points, and now your just being sarcastic and disruptive of the thread.

what did this post contribute to the board ?

did you point out to roth his 437 posts about tasers ?

play fair

I've also noticed none of the believers will answer the question. Probably because to answer it is to confront your gullibility

No Im just reminding you that your not making any contribution to the thread or any attempt to disprove titor. The taser bit is relevent to this, your comments before were not.

Why don't you just go on your way if you have nothing constructive to contribute. Im just watching the debate, but it seems the opposing side has reverted to sarcastic questions and attacks, which there is nothing entertaining about that.

Originally posted by Simulacra
However, I do remember reading about this in a Fortean Times, not sure if anyone else caught this article.

Yeah they covered this but I remember this differently before this article. There was a franciscan priest that invented a camera that could take pictures of the past without actually being in the past. After a few successful attempts he wanted to take a picture to prove that Christ existed. A copy of the picture was printed which is a close-up of Christ on the cross. The machine was mysteriously destroyed afterwards.

OK. enough of my sarcasm and boring repetitiveness. what do other folks have to say ?




www.abovetopsecret.com...
John Titor: Hoax


This is a picture taken in the fall of 2035 during my training. It shows my instructor beaming a handheld laser outside the vehicle during operation. The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit. The beam is visible through smoke that is coming from his cigar.

He claims the light from the laser is being bent as it passes through the gravitational field of the device. If this was the case, ALL the light passing near the device would be bent. This would give a gravitational lensing effect that would be noticeable in the image. Also, the light reflecting off the smoke particles would also be bent on its return trip to the observer, thus the laser beam would still appear straight to the observer.



thats a good question, Mr ATS super moderator. Why doesn't all the light bend ????



community.livejournal.com...
Economics
Titor mentioned economics a few times.

'There is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally.'
'Life is much more rural in the future but "high" technology is used to communicate and travel. People raise a great deal of their own food and do
more "farm" work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long hours. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of
Florida. My closest friend raises horses and another works for a company that maintains "wireless" Internet nodes.'
'Its not very different than it is now. Yes, we have money and credit cards. However, like everything else, the monetary system is decentralized. Banking
is based mostly around the community structure. There are no multinational banking or computerized economic systems. There are also no income taxes.'

All good, right?

He stumbles here:

'In 2036, community life is a bit different. People are valued and judged based on their contribution and worth. Work is organized around the family and the value of that work is assessed inside of the community. Most communities range in size from 1000 to 4000 people. If a family wanted to move from one community to another or if a son or daughter wanted to move to another community, they must apply and be interviewed by the community leadership council. During this process, the family or individual is evaluated as to whether or not the work or skill they have is required or necessary to that individual community. Once accepted, the family or individual is expected to uphold their end of the work and support the community. If they don't, the community stops supporting them and they are forced to change their attitude or move away from the community.

The family work we did was picking, sorting and shipping oranges by sailboat up and down the coast of Florida. We were expected to produce a certain
amount for the community and a certain amount for other communities as agreed to by our CLC. In exchange, we received power, water, a certain amount of food and other necessities that were produced inside our community.'

He basically describes communal living. The economy is communist, with work creating goods or providing services in exchange for other goods and services. Where do credit cards enter into this picture? Money? The ability to make money or pay credit card bills? They don't. Those are elements of a capitalist society...the exact opposite of the cultural picture he paints in those paragraphs.

It gets worse.

'The people who sign my paycheck told me why we needed a 5100 and sent me off to get one.'

So he gets a paycheck. Does that sound like the trading/communal system? Watch as the economics of his claims fall apart.

'27. Yes, paper money is still widely used.'
'Does money look different than it does now? No, money is pretty much the same. Unfortunately, I do not have any money with me because I wouldn't be able to use it here.'
'Is the same type of currency used? Is ours today good in 2010 or 2020? Yes, we use money. That's a good question. I don't see why you couldn't use
your current bills in the future.'

It IS a good question. Currently, the value of the dollar is based on a 'floating currency system'. In 2002 that became a -dual- currency system when the Euro came out as the competition on the world market for dollar share. A good link describing money in the US is here.

The current system of currency would collapse in the event of a catastrophic world war wiping out the financial centers and banking hubs of the world. Paper money would just be paper, as there would be no banks or federal reserve to guarantee it. Even falling back on the old gold standard wouldn't work, as there wouldn't be a United States government to put one in place. (Is one to believe that Fort Knox would be spared from the nuclear barrage? Lots of tanks there as well as gold.) Even -if-, in the 20 years since the initial attacks, the U.S. had managed to create a new monetary system to replace the old, and give it some sort of basis that would allow for trading it not only amongst ourselves for goods and services but also with other countries, our current money would certainly be worthless seeing as how it's value is based on systems no longer valid after the catastrophic destruction of half of mankind.

There are other economic and logical problems with his story. GE makes the time machine...but surely, all urban areas were destroyed? Somehow not only did GE (headquartered in New York City) somehow survive as a company, but their research and development allowed them to continue current research UNABATED throughout civil and nuclear war! Quite an amazing company, that GE.


are you still with me, or have you refused to face reality ?


communities.anomalies.net...

An amusing computation: Suppose r_s = 1 fm (somewhat smaller than "an
> electron"). Then m_BH = r_s*c^2/G, right? Plug 'n' chug. On my
> calculator, 10^-15 * 9x10^16/6.67x10^-11 \approx 10^12 kg. Let's see,
> that would be, um, a billion metric tons, the mass of a cube of water
> 1000 meters to the side (as 1000^3 = 10^9 and water conveniently
> masses a metric ton, 10^3 kg per cubic meter. How come nobody in your
> group actually did these simple computations?


500 lbs, a billion metric tons, close enough


are you still with me ?????


spacetimenews.com...

Thanks for the e-mail. For my thoughts about time travel, see www.mkaku.org, also Parallel Worlds.

I think the person you mentioned is a fake. Mini black holes do not have the power to bend time, and CERN certainly has not produced any. The LHC will be turned on in 2 years, and there is a small chance it might create a mini black hole, but these are sub-atomic in size and energy. Time travel may be possible, but not for a Type 0 civilization. Type III civilizations, however, may have access to the Planck energy, where this possibility opens up.

Michio Kaku
The following is a summary of the first four civilization types:

Type 0 civilizations extract their energy from solar, geothermal and wind power. Most of their power is from non-renewable fossil fuel resources; oil, coal and natural gases. They are beginning to explore their solar system.

Type I civilizations are efficient in controlling all of the resources of their planet and they can control the weather. They have explored their entire solar system and are beginning to explore their galaxy.

Type II civilizations can control all of the energy output from their suns using Dyson spheres. They are exploring other galaxies.

Type III civilizations can control the energy of a galaxy. They can extract the energy from stars and black holes. They are capable of manipulating Planck energy. This is the energy that exists at the center of black holes, where space-time is unstable. Controlling Planck energy could result in the control of worm holes leading to instantaneous travel across the universe. It is unknown what limits this type of civilization would have, they may have access to inter-dimensional travel. They may even be able to time travel



are you still there ?????


communities.anomalies.net...



and don't even get me started on the olympics........

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
OK. enough of my sarcasm and boring repetitiveness. what do other folks have to say ?

You know you are displaying signs of obsession lol.

I think grimreaper797 wanted you to stop repeating and add something constructive. People here have answered your questions before. The more I looked, the more I found you have already ask these questions a dozen times over. That is just in this thread alone.

links to syrinx high priest repetitiveness

laser
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Economics + GE
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

metric tons???
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Michio Kaku
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

olympics
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm putting up the links here so you can examine again.


[edit on 27-9-2006 by XPhiles]