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originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: InTheLight
So in order to treat someone with respect and dignity, I now have to have sex with them?!
What the...?
If you don't know how to treat someone with respect and dignity then I can't help you.
This whole thread is about how if I refuse to date a transgender person, I am dehumanizing them. Essentially, if I am not attracted to or want to have sex with transgender people, I am not treating them with respect and dignity because I am dehumanizing them. You cannot treat someone you just dehumanized with respect and dignity.
Get it?
Are you not able to refuse anybody who asks for a date now with dignity and respect?
According to these psychologists, it isn't about how nicely I turn them down. It's about turning them down at all. They feel dehumanized by being turned down. I can't turn them down with any degree of dignity and respect or else I dehumanize them. Ergo, I must date them/have sex with them in order to meet your standards.
Bull, trans people know very well that heterosexuals programmed into sexualized
but for now it isn't. Thank God.
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: InTheLight
Bull, trans people know very well that heterosexuals programmed into sexualized
"programmed"?
You guys are absolutely whackadoo
You do know people can have a sexual preference right?
Were attracted to who were attracted to, doesnt have anything to do with programming..........
If that were the case does that mean that gay people are "programmed" to like their own sex?
You guys really need to decide which hill to die on because youre making yourself look foolish waffling back and forth......you cant have it both ways, either people are born one way or they arent......
Freaking clown world...........
"The most common reason for being unwilling to consider dating transgender or non-binary people was that participants felt that they lacked information and understanding of what precisely these kinds of identities mean within the context of dating," the authors continue. "For example, many simply stated that they had never really considered the question before and were unsure of what it would mean to be in a relationship with a transgender or non-binary individual. Other reasons, however, were less about lacking information, and more about a strong dislike for trans people."
Well being one of them I don't consider it a disorder. I don't consider it a choice I can switch between either.
originally posted by: InTheLight
And freaking clown post from you...it has nothing to do with attraction in this study because the respondents were not in front of the person to whom the dating question referred to. Even if they were and they were attracted to the transgender person, what the study outlines is that the lack of understanding and fear clicks in.
originally posted by: continuousThunder
okay, let's take this extremely slowly. let me know if you get lost and need me to explain again.
it is dehumanising to declare that you wouldn't date an entire class of people.
that's a simple fact - you're treating people as an identical mass that you can just cast aside in one go.
that's pretty much the definition of dehumanising there.
Dating is about the connection between two individuals. You meet and you hit it off for various reasons, generally similar interests or views on the world.
it's like saying you wouldn't date an asian, or a blonde. There are a LOT of people in those subsets and they're all extremely different and going "nah blondes don't do it for me" is extremely reductionist and rude.
Only with trans people it's on a whole extra level because there are SO MANY trans people you'd never even know are trans unless they told you. So to just decide that you won't date any of these people, en masse - yeah that's dehumanising in action right there.
But don't worry, you're not being forced to date trans people. trans people already suffer enough in this world.
it has nothing to do with attraction in this study because the respondents were not in front of the person to whom the dating question referred to.