EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has vanished from Radar

a reply to: Dr UAE

It would take out the engine, but it wouldn't necessarily shatter the wing. An air to air missile has a warhead similar in size to a MANPADS, which means a fairly small one.

This is translated from Le Figaro:

www.lefigaro.fr...

The MS804 flight with 66 people on board, including 15 French, who had disappeared from radar screens at 2:29 am, crashed off the Greek island Karpathos. Debris that could be those of the device have been located off Crete by an Egyptian plane, according to the spokesman for the Greek army. The Paris prosecutor opened an investigation.
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Confirming the 804 days coincidence:

www.timeanddate.com...

804 days since March 8th, 2014 (when MH370 disappeared)

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet...the news says there were three Air Marshals on-board.

I heard this too and if correct it would suggest a bomb IF it was a terror attack because I don't think 3 air marshals could be over powered in order for on board terrorists to get to the cockpit and kill the pilots.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If it hasn't been mentioned yet...the news says there were three Air Marshals on-board.

I heard this too and if correct it would suggest a bomb IF it was a terror attack because I don't think 3 air marshals could be over powered in order for on board terrorists to get to the cockpit and kill the pilots.

My thought, as well.
Zaphod says one was a trainee...and one to two Air Marshals on a flight is standard.

The news so far is that the pilot did not sign off as is normal procedure when it left greek FIR which is odd, nor was the greek air control able to establish contact in the minutes before it would reach Egyptian airspace.
They also tried to establish contact through the emergency frequency but without success.
10 miles into Egyptian airspace, it vanished from radar while flying at an altitude of 37000 ft.

a reply to: earthling42

If they were seeing a problem develop they wouldn't have signed off normally or answered the radio, depending on what the problem was. Deal with the problem first, then tell people.

An Egpytian official has stated they found the wreckage. No word on if it was the aircraft itself or just some debris though.

Debka File

Pastor Paul Begley just put out a video that explains both CNN and Debka File reporting the cause is a bomb on board.

I didn't find the exact story on Debka just now only the original reports of being missing.

See if you have better luck.

a reply to: Granite

Amazing how they can confirm that it was a bomb and ISIS, when there hasn't been anything found of the main fuselage yet, and ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility, and reports are that there was no chatter about an attack on a plane.

Egytptair "confirms the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft" is how it is worded on their facebook post

EGYPTAIR resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that confirms the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island.

And from Reuters, via the Guardian.

Egypt’s envoy to France has said that Greek authorities have told the Egyptian embassy in Athens that they’ve found “blue and white debris”, Reuters reports.

It's looking more and more like there was an event involving the fuselage. They dove to 15,000 feet, and then to 10,000 feet which is where the radar lost them. The question now is whether it was a bomb or a fatigue failure.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Granite

Amazing how they can confirm that it was a bomb and ISIS, when there hasn't been anything found of the main fuselage yet, and ISIS hasn't claimed responsibility, and reports are that there was no chatter about an attack on a plane.

The Jews control the Illuminati so of coarse Debka gets the scope on all terroist attacks...

Here is an update on radio transmissions to and from the aircraft:

www.euronews.com...

Greek air traffic controllers spoke to the pilot as the jet flew over the island of Kea, in what was thought to be the last broadcast from the aircraft, and no problems were reported.

But just ahead of the handover to Egyptian controllers, calls to the plane went unanswered.

“About seven miles before the aircraft entered the Cairo airspace, Greek controllers tried to contact the pilot but he was not responding,” said Kostas Litzerakis, head of Greece’s civil aviation department. Shortly after exiting Greek airspace, it disappeared from radars, he said.

There seem to have been a period, probably less than a minute, before the plane went off radar screens, when radio calls went unanswered.

originally posted by: Olivine
Egytptair "confirms the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft" is how it is worded on their facebook post

EGYPTAIR resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that confirms the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island.

And from Reuters, via the Guardian.

Egypt’s envoy to France has said that Greek authorities have told the Egyptian embassy in Athens that they’ve found “blue and white debris”, Reuters reports.

Off Karpathos Island is the area Airbus A320 registration SU-GCC was said to have come down in earlier reports.

Morley Safer dead at 84....I think when you pay attention to numbers you'll see them everywhere....The pattern would appear then to be naturally occurring. or......

Marshals can't stop a bomb in the luggage hold. They need to screen the immigrants they hire to load the luggage, probably many of ME origin working in Paris for cheap.

RIP. sucks, they always do though I suppose the pattern is beyond obvious now.

So much so that it hardly makes you wonder. A few months back the jet full of Russians. Then not so long after when someone gets a fake bomb through security onto your ailine and other people take selfies with them for the world wide web whilst airline/gov officials laugh it off, what do you expect the repurcussions to be a month later?



INFORMATIVE AIRLINE TERRORISM PORN

Now that you've just broadcast that to european terrorists/sympathizers? That maybe your airline's security is a joke, that your airline is easy pickings?

And what is it now with Paris, has this become the new home from home for Isis or something?

A few years ago it was Malaysian with all the "bad luck" but EgyptAir has quickly and clearly become the new One Way Ticket airline. Though I'd use the term "bad luck" cautiously, as the factors behind or leading to these incidents are often very human and not luck at all.

Also, here's the BBC not understanding when a plane takes off:



(if any of the air crew refered to that part of the "flight" as takeoff, they'd presumably be disciplined)

a reply to: Zaphod58

A question for Zaphod. Is it possible either the pilot or copilot found it necessary to take evasive action and in doing so they lost control of the aircraft.

a reply to: bucsarg

Very possible. Not many airlines teach upset training to their crews, although that's increasing as time goes on. If they felt they had to make a hard turn to try to avoid something, they could have lost control accidentally.