Cancer and chemo

originally posted by: 23432
My cousin has just been told that he has stage 4 lung cancer .

It sucks .

I know very well what stage 4 lung cancer is, but not all cancers are the same and not all people react equally to the treatment. What I am trying to say is never give up hope.

Once I was fortunate enough to meet this lovely lady who had terminal cancer, she always had a smile on her face and one day I asked what her secret was. She told me: 'I am grateful for each extra day I am given and I am determined to live each one of them being happy. Being happy may not change the number of days I have left, but it changes how I live each one of them'.

Truly inspirational.... I wish all the best to your cousin.

originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: Pardon?

Some guy place links before in this topic.

I have also read and know many people that went trough chemo and they are subscribed for meds for rest of their life's and some of them have really low quality of life.

Also I know even more people that chemotherapy didn't save.

So with chemo you can get few more years, but what if without it you can live like normal people do.

I wasn't prescribed meds for the rest of my life because I had cancer.

Cancer is different for everyone. There are so many variables. Some people go through life refusing to see a Doctor and have regular check ups until it's too late and their cancer has progressed so far that their treatment couldn't save them.

As Phage has pointed out, he has lived another 28 years because of choosing chemo. I have known of others who have had had twenty years and more because of chemo and radiation.

One of my husband's friends tried the cannabis thing and he didn't make it. We had to say our goodbyes. Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it will save your life.

It is fear that keeps people from having chemo and radiation. I myself had always said if I got cancer that I would take the natural route, but when I was sitting in a doctor's office and they actually told me I had cancer, I thought, do I really want to chance that? I had known people who lived long lives after having the traditional treatments so I chose that. I was still terrified, not knowing what to expect, but the experience was nothing like I expected. They had meds for nausea and helped in more ways than I ever imagined, treating not only the physical aspect, but looked after my emotional well being as well.

originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: Pardon?

So they make a study that 9/10 patients will survive on chemo or live longer, not sure now, but go back and reread what other guy said.

Also how do you comment that most oncologist won't take chemo?

I have a feeling that in this topic you don't read opposite side than yours.

If nine out of ten Oncologist don't want chemo, then assuming they are not stupid and don't want to die, what do they use? I know a few Docs and they use 15mg of zinc a day during the flue season and never get it although they are high risk. Have they an alternative treatment program we are not privy to.

a reply to: anonentity

If nine out of ten Oncologist don't want chemo, then assuming they are not stupid and don't want to die, what do they use?

Are you going to provide a source for that claim or did you just make it up?

a reply to: meremortal

Just checking in to see how you were doing.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: anonentity

If nine out of ten Oncologist don't want chemo, then assuming they are not stupid and don't want to die, what do they use?

Are you going to provide a source for that claim or did you just make it up?

Here's a nice piece on his/her fabricated statistic (the percentage is different in this piece but that's par for the course in fabrication).
anaximperator.wordpress.com...

"The first thing that stands out is that the 1985 (!!) survey was not, as Philip Day claims, about all available therapies for lung cancer, but about cisplatin, a then new chemotherapy with considerable side effects. The question also pertained to the use of cisplatin as a palliative treatment for “symptomatic metastatic bone disease,” i.e. for incurable (non-small-cell) lung cancer. The 1985 survey found that about one-third of physicians and oncology nurses would have consented to chemotherapy in a situation like this."

I think someone's being disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst.

a reply to: Pardon?

and of course the real killer question that should be included for contest :

would these oncologists and nurses reccomend cisplatin for a patient [ in equivvilant circumstances ]

I still don't understand why is there not statistical data how good chemotherapy is. Survive probability and life expect.

Only then you can make right decision. But if it is true that 9 out of 10 cancer patients on chemotherapy don't survive then I don't like that odds at all.

a reply to: Mahler

don't you mean golden syrup mixed with bi-carbonate soda powder and heated up so that it glues together. As cancer takes in a lot of sugar, when it has the sugar from the golden syrup, its ph changes to kill the cancer cells due to the bi-carb?

is that what ur talking about?


i've only read about that on ats.

hja. do what you feel is best for you. There is just no correct answer here and it is too big of a decision to make based on a thread.

I know cases which have died and lived from cancer. I know people who used chemo and make it and know some who did not. I also know one case where medical doctors had given up but he did not and tried a water fest for about a month and cancer was gone! yes, with just a water fast in a month! There are some information available that cancer can be starved to death...
I also know people who choose cannabis oil as medicine and are still alive...

So you see, there are people who have success in medical or alternative treatments and then there are also in both categories people who died.

This just goes to show that human body reacts differently to different treatments. Google info about your type of cancer and alternatives and if you feel that you have a valid chance going alternative than do it. And don't care of other opinions if they go against you. You have to make a decision not others!

Do a lot of research and than decide and believe 100% in your decision. But don't make a decision based on our opinion but rather take the info you read here and research this into depth, there are a lot of advices here and hopefully you have the time and will to do research and start some treatment and get the cancer out of your system.

Best of luck with your recovery!

originally posted by: saadad
I still don't understand why is there not statistical data how good chemotherapy is. Survive probability and life expect.

Only then you can make right decision. But if it is true that 9 out of 10 cancer patients on chemotherapy don't survive then I don't like that odds at all.

There are plenty of statistical data around if you care to look for it.
UK Cancer Stats

There are overall survival rates (notice how they're going up year by year?) and will probably include other therapies such as surgery and/or radiotherapy.

originally posted by: UniFinity
hja. do what you feel is best for you. There is just no correct answer here and it is too big of a decision to make based on a thread.

I know cases which have died and lived from cancer. I know people who used chemo and make it and know some who did not. I also know one case where medical doctors had given up but he did not and tried a water fest for about a month and cancer was gone! yes, with just a water fast in a month! There are some information available that cancer can be starved to death...
I also know people who choose cannabis oil as medicine and are still alive...

So you see, there are people who have success in medical or alternative treatments and then there are also in both categories people who died.

This just goes to show that human body reacts differently to different treatments. Google info about your type of cancer and alternatives and if you feel that you have a valid chance going alternative than do it. And don't care of other opinions if they go against you. You have to make a decision not others!

Do a lot of research and than decide and believe 100% in your decision. But don't make a decision based on our opinion but rather take the info you read here and research this into depth, there are a lot of advices here and hopefully you have the time and will to do research and start some treatment and get the cancer out of your system.

Best of luck with your recovery!

The main problem with that approach is sifting out all of the misinformation.
There's plenty of lies written about cancer on the internet and numerous anecdotes and testimonies which aren't worth the bandwidth they take up.

For a lay person to make a decision based upon this is ludicrous.
They owe it not only to themselves but to their family and friends to seek proper expert advice.
If you don't like what your oncologist suggests, see another one!
Speak to cancer support specialists and hear what they have to say.
But under no circumstances think you know better after reading a few pages on Google.

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: 23432
My cousin has just been told that he has stage 4 lung cancer .

It sucks .

I know very well what stage 4 lung cancer is, but not all cancers are the same and not all people react equally to the treatment. What I am trying to say is never give up hope.

Once I was fortunate enough to meet this lovely lady who had terminal cancer, she always had a smile on her face and one day I asked what her secret was. She told me: 'I am grateful for each extra day I am given and I am determined to live each one of them being happy. Being happy may not change the number of days I have left, but it changes how I live each one of them'.

Truly inspirational.... I wish all the best to your cousin.

Thank you for your best wishes , lessens the pain to know that people care .

There's just been a very pertinent piece written on Science Based Medicine which may be useful for the OP to read.
www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...

a reply to: Pardon?

I guess you missed the part where I said to research into depth the information, that is not reading a few pages!

And also I don't see a problem with consulting about these things with your current doctor, and see what he thinks personally? Get information from the internet and from the doctors (not just 1 if possible!) would be best, even better if you could arrange it so that you would be monitored daily about the changes and try something...

Chemo is a terrible process and you must admit that if it is a chance to get to correct information google is the best library, there are not all lies and a lot of people had been cured by alternative ways.

originally posted by: UniFinity
... there are not all lies and a lot of people had been cured by alternative ways.

Please post here about those people that were allegedly cured by alternative ways. I am yet to find a genuine one so I am really interested. Please do post.

a reply to: Night Star

again thanks to everyone for your comments, it means a lot!

well the doc says i need chemo even though there may or may not be some rogue cancer cells, i have until Friday to make up my mind, i asked him would he have chemo, he said he would. i have to have radiotherapy and take 2 tablets one being estrogen.

he said if i don't take chemo, i need to take radiotherapy but where will they point it? they took the cancer out, forgot to ask the doc that question but i can call his secretary with any question s i may have.

i also asked about the "cold cap" which stops hair loss but he doesn't do the cold cap as you could end up with cancer in your brain!

this isn't easy when your whole family wants you to have chemo!

thanks Night Star

MM

originally posted by: meremortal
a reply to: cenpuppie

a long way? its been going 100 years surely that says something? not much change, still using a barbaric therapy!

Yes, a long way, like surgery. we still use the barbaric knives to cut people open but the techiques have improved

Instead of getting a general chemo treat!ment, therapies used today are specifcally targetted gene therapies.

a reply to: Agartha

I said in my first post in this thread that one person who I know have been cured by long water fast. But I don't have a clue about what kinda cancer he had. Only that the doctors did give up on him but this person now lives thanks to water cancer free!

Also there are many variety of information available on google. You sound very certain about all of it beings b#? why do you think that so many people would lie...some maybe but certainly not all.

Also a nice documentary about quest for cures for cancer. Everyone should watch it if he is interested in this and decide for himself.



Look, I am just saying that just blindly going into something, even chemo or any alternative is wrong. I would certainly do a lot of research before taking any next steps if there is time. There are just a lot of different opinions and maybe some of them could be valuable. Like in this doc for instance. I think there is truth in it.

a reply to: UniFinity

I have watched about 9 maybe more hours of that docu, very informative , but someone (not on here) asked me why i believed him?

there has to be an easier way in this day and age surely? money money money