Cancer and chemo

a reply to: meremortal
I imagine you must be under enormous pressure but hang in there. People can really drive you crazy sometimes. Especially people close to you may find themselves as helpless as you are so pushing their best option on you may give them some relief and the illusion that they help somehow.

As for your oncologist there's no way to look out for a second opinion? Is terrible how busy these doctors are and how sometimes they seem to forget they're dealing with real people, not mere "cases".

My best advice is still to get informed as much as you can and as fast as you can, of course, then decide what you think is best for you. There are a lot good threads even here on ATS, with plenty of good resources, and there are people who've been in your shoes.
But most of all relax a little bit, even if it seems impossible. Take some time for yourself, to breath and to calm your mind. There's no way to take such an important decision when everything and everyone keep pushing you in a corner.

Hang in there, you're not alone and we all hope only the best outcome for you.

a reply to: WhiteHat
That right there is why I like coming here.

originally posted by: WhiteHat
a reply to: Pardon?

All cancer rates of survival are improved after 5 years, that's the point of being monitored for 5 years. Most chances are that if the cancer did not returned in these 5 years is gone for good.
I gave the most general example there is in an official source but if you want to get into specifics you need to take a lot more factors into account, like the stage of the cancer, how soon was treated and many others. Is not my job or yours to give that kind of prognosis to the OP, but the doctors job. Anyway, here is how it goes:

Five-year relative survival rates include all people who are alive five years after a cancer diagnosis, including those who are in remission (temporary or permanent absence of disease) or still being treated. Disease-free survival (sometimes abbreviated as DFS) statistics and progression-free survival statistics (sometimes abbreviated as PFS) are more specific survival statistics that are often used when evaluating cancer treatments.

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But survival curves, like other things statistical, have subtleties and important limitations, and are very easily misinterpreted, often in the direction of underestimating hope. Understanding survival curves will help clarify your thinking about treatment choices as well as about prognosis.

The basic meaning of five year survival is self explanatory, but often people think that five year survival is the same as cure. For some cancers this may be true. For others it most definitely isn't. You can't tell the difference from knowing the five year survival, but you most certainly can looking at a long-term survival curve!

To the extent that survival curves are a picture of your prognosis, it's very important to have the right picture! When you find a survival curve, you need to make sure it's for the same type and stage of cancer as you have and to the extent possible, that other important prognostic factors (which may be particular to the type of cancer - such as hormone receptor status in breast cancer) are the same.

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So for the sake of discussion I remained into generalities zone, not leaning to one side or another of the official data, and not taking sides for or anti chemotherapy, no matter what my personal opinion is and how much you tried to provoke a fight. And not contradicting people who believe otherwise. Mostly because this is about a real person here dealing with this so I don't care to make a point but more to show support whatever the OP will decide. And I have a feeling that this kind of arguing is not helping.
So if you are so adamant in going deeper and deeper in prognosis why not open a thread and expose all this there, as abstract knowledge and not in such a personal thread? Let's have some tact and leave this for support and opinions only.

Very courteous of you.
However, looking back through the thread I believe it was you who were bandying incorrect numbers around and potentially fear-mongering the op.
I just corrected them.
Gave it fair balance so to speak.
You know, so the OP can make a decision on real, current information.

And as you say, there's no way anyone can make an accurate prognosis on this thread so why have so many people told her to eschew conventional treatment?
And that's why myself and a few others have consistently told her to consult with her medical team rather than suggesting alternatives.

a reply to: meremortal

Just came in to check and see how you are doing.

Ornish was able to reverse prostate cancer in a group of 93 men by putting them on a plant based diet, along with mediation and exercise.

www.ornishspectrum.com...

Breast cancer has a 22% regression rate without any treatment or lifestyle changes.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

If you chose not to undergo chemo and instead opt for lifestyle and diet changes, I think you should also supplement with turmeric and CBD oil.

Forgoing chemo and radiation is tough decision, but you should be aware that chemotherapy as been shown to reduce mortality by a third in early stage breast cancer.

www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
Ornish was able to reverse prostate cancer in a group of 93 men by putting them on a plant based diet, along with mediation and exercise.

That would be low-grade PC...at a point at which doctors would recommend a course called 'watchful waiting'. It's said that most men die with prostate cancer, so it may well be an outcome of this modern life. Now does that study say that someone with raging PC eat carrots instead of doing more aggressive treatment? Um...no. Might the regimen cited reduce the chances of acquiring the disease in the first place, or help to fight it back at early stage? Apparently.

But knowing the difference between the two sets of circumstances can determine whether or not it kills you.

And I'm sure that similar observations can be made for breast cancer.

i have refused chemo, continuing on with plant based diet and juicing.

i have started seeing a Kinesiologist, my 2nd appointment is this thursday. she said my immune system is low (no suprise there) i have a virus (still not suprised) fungus/yeast ( #) and mucus .

also issues going back which started 25 years ago, traumas etc (car crash for one) life i call it! my meridians are blocked and she unblocked a few last week. its expensive and it will take 20 weeks she said, as we are talking years of crap? (not her words)

i would rather 20 weeks of this than 16 weeks of chemo, if my time is up its up, i have no faith in chemo and that is the conclusion i have come to.

thank you all for your advice and links

MM

a reply to: meremortal

Wishing you a world of love and all the best meremortal!

Kinesiologist? Why are you visiting kinesiologist?

a reply to: meremortal

wish you luck!

today I have also found this article. It maybe something interesting to consider trying if you have the chance?
reset.me...

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: meremortal

wish you luck!

today I have also found this article. It maybe something interesting to consider trying if you have the chance?
reset.me...

Donald Topping had surgery for colon cancer but attributes his "healing" to his alternative methods.
Where have we heard that before?
Oh, he died in 2003 of colorectal cancer.

a reply to: meremortal

Wow, listen, you need to stop going to the doctor and do some research on this. Please don't go lettting them kill you. Chemo has a 98% mortality rate. Radiation, last time I checked destroys DNA, causes cancer and kills people.

Don't be a brainwashed mindless slave statistic. Like seriously. Please don't do it. They're there to constantly and endlessly tell you that you need more and more and more and more and more treatments, tests, surgeries, procedures, etc etc. YOu'll never get well according to them. NEVER. You'll always need some additional thing done, either until you die, or until you quit.

Why? Because it's a big money making scheme set up by the pharamasuitical industry. Please think about this? You actually think they're out to make you well? make you better? You're blind. They're out to endlessly make money off you which they make every time they give you a new proceedure. (even if you're not paying direct).

If you actually are concerned, then look into canabus oil. It's suppose to be very good treatment , if not a cure for cancer. Tons of people swear by it.

Please don't get anything else done via the dr. Look up chemo and radiation mortality rates. It's deadly. They'll kill you. Ahhhh. I can't believe how many people are brainwashed into thinking big brother is out to take care of them.

originally posted by: meremortal
i have refused chemo, continuing on with plant based diet and juicing.

i have started seeing a Kinesiologist, my 2nd appointment is this thursday. she said my immune system is low (no suprise there) i have a virus (still not suprised) fungus/yeast ( #) and mucus .

also issues going back which started 25 years ago, traumas etc (car crash for one) life i call it! my meridians are blocked and she unblocked a few last week. its expensive and it will take 20 weeks she said, as we are talking years of crap? (not her words)

i would rather 20 weeks of this than 16 weeks of chemo, if my time is up its up, i have no faith in chemo and that is the conclusion i have come to.

thank you all for your advice and links

MM

Really!
A kinesiologist?
I hope you're not being serious.

Why on earth have you decided that a quack who will tell you just what you want to hear is better than medicine which is effective?
Some alternative therapies have at least got some links to science, kinesiology has nothing whatsoever.
It's fabricated nonsense.
Do you know it only takes 100 hours of "study" to become a certified applied kinesiologist?


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The conclusion states:
"The data in this study, particularly when seen in the larger context of a review of the literature from the AK field itself by Klinkoski and Leboeuf (1990), which considered 50 papers published between 1981 and 1987 by the International College of Applied Kinesiology, and the survey by Hall, Lewith, Brien, and Little (2008), using standard evaluation criteria [quality assessment tool for studies of diagnostic accuracy included in systematic reviews (QUADAS), Standards for Reporting of Diagnostic Studies (STARD), JADAD, and Consolidated Standards of Reporting Trials (CONSORT)], for research methodology, as well as six prior non-clinical studies by Radin (1984), Quintanar and Hill (1988), Braud (1989), Arnett et al. (1999), Ludtke (2001), and Kendler and Keating (2003), all together suggest the following: The research published by the Applied Kinesiology field itself is not to be relied upon, and in the experimental studies that do meet accepted standards of science, Applied Kinesiology has not demonstrated that it is a useful or reliable diagnostic tool upon which health decisions can be based."

Seriously, it would be better doing nothing (and a hell of a lot cheaper).
If you seriously are dead set against treatment which can help you you could use this money you plan to throw away to the kinesiologist to enjoy yourself and make others happy.

Hopefully you're one of the lucky few whose surgery has removed every trace.
But please, even if you refuse the treatment offered, keep seeing your oncologist to monitor your health properly and forget the quack.

One thing I always notice in these threads is the ones who have been diagnosed with cancer and had chemo are still here to tell the tail. Not so many who went the alternative route here to tell their story That should probably tell you something, despite the anecdotal nature of the evidence. I've got my las radiotherapy session today 2 months of double dosage to the brain. Apart from feeling a tiredness I've never experienced. I'm still alright to finish off the treatment. Maybe some more chemo after find out after the scans in a few weeks when the area has healed up a bit

a reply to: Pardon?

you're wrong, anything posted on a g ooo v website stated as some kind of a factual report is actually most likely propaganda.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

oh ya and you have all the exact stats on that don't you. Get real.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Good on you ! An inspiration to all those fighting the good fight !

I do hope that these days people are being given sympathetic natural eases - if you will, ie; not many used to advocate the use of pro-biotics.

Gut flora is essential to immunal health. etc...

Nutrition plus medicine plus good natural - non-harmful - "miracles" ...

Run them by your Oncologist - to make sure they are not contra- indicative in your particular protocol.

Go hard on the food ideas ... We all gotta eat - right ?





Ed: WWJ - that was not advice aimed at you ... just those that have not heard.

a reply to: Pardon?

yes he did, at 73, after 15 years?

But the doctor's opinion was:

I was told by one that my chances for survival were around 25-30 percent. Another put it at under 15 percent, if you factor in the risks of the surgical procedure itself. It appeared that they had read De Vito’s cancer bible, too. They also advised me that if surgery was possible, I should follow it up with a year of fairly heavy chemotherapy in order to kill off any remaining cancerous cells (along with the majority of healthy ones) that were undoubtedly floating around in my bloodstream.

So yeah, what is your point exactly?
we will never know, how would it turned out for him with chemo, but his chances were very slim as told by the doctors! and it is very possible that he would have died even sooner with chemo and way more suffering?!

so your attitude is not exactly honest...in my opinion as he is not the only one with positive results as there are many others who have been successful and others who have not, just as with chemo. So it is a matter of choice, and OP made his. SO I don't see what is wrong with trying many others treatments, such as this. It is a good experiance in any way as it connects people with their spiritual side...

OP it never hurts to try if you declined the chemo and if you have the chance, this is all I am saying, nothing else!

originally posted by: lavatrance
a reply to: woodwardjnr

oh ya and you have all the exact stats on that don't you. Get real.

I never said that. Just from the anecdotal evidence provided by cancer survivors on ATS. I'm always interested in others treatments, not my fault not many alternative treatment survivors posting in these threads. Please don't question my intentions like I'm intending harm. That's not on.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr

originally posted by: lavatrance
a reply to: woodwardjnr

oh ya and you have all the exact stats on that don't you. Get real.

I never said that. Just from the anecdotal evidence provided by cancer survivors on ATS. I'm always interested in others treatments, not my fault not many alternative treatment survivors posting in these threads. Please don't question my intentions like I'm intending harm. That's not on.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS CANCER! It's a scam!!! You get cancer after you start on chemo or radiation.