I had to stand up to my boss today (REAL TALK)

a reply to: wasaka

Self-righteous seems to describe you more so than anyone else commenting on your post. You blame everyone for your shortcomings, and the only thing you do to try to change your situation is to get into verbal altercations and threats with management.

I apologize for calling you a peach. Perhaps "unemployed" would be more to your liking. There are plenty of people on this planet that have to deal with bosses and management that they don't like, and are able to keep steady jobs and make a good living without resorting to threats and constant altercations. But I forgot, you're "making the workplace better for everyone" by doing so!

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: wasaka

Then work somewhere that is more receptive of "your needs".

I didn't say I upheld the 6 minute rule, but plenty employers do.

You may very well have cause to speak to your employer the way you've indicated, but could and should are two different things.

Give respect, get respect.

If he doesn't respect you, quit. If you don't respect him, why work there? Money...? If so, at least respect where that comes from, if not the boss himself.

some people here dont understand sales. especially phone sales. it is very rough. getting a new job in sales will cause him the same issues because the people in call canters are a-holes by nature. think about it, their job is to convince people who dont have money to spend money on something they dont even want, as our op said earlier.

a reply to: wasaka

I have held the same SALES position for over 30 years. I have only worked in sales. I know all aspects of sales and service.

I read your rant thread about your check.

Sales may not be for you.

a reply to: tinyDAWK

Please see my response posted moments ago to the OP.

originally posted by: wasaka

originally posted by: tinyDAWK
a reply to: wasaka

i get it, the world is keeping you down. its everyone else fault that you cant keep a job. there is some pretty cool resources for expanding your education for little to no money. all you need to do is put a lot of time in. but, you don't seem like the type of person to do something that doesn't provide instant gratification.

You throw that at me like it is some uncommon
character flaw (one most people don't have).

Got new for you mate, EVERYONE in the WEST
is driven by instant gratification. That is way
in our sales room there are cash bonuses
paid out daily. It motivates people.

In the past, it was not a motive of mine.
I would often say care about knowledge
more then money... but when you can't
pay the rent and the wife want to leave
you because you are a loser... THEN you
start to care about money.

And you call me low-life out or nothing
but instant gratification?

How dare you.

I am a low-life trying to SURVIVE.

Get it right.

i was homeless 5 years ago, dont give me that bull. i was in sales for years im not speaking out of ignorance. it is going to distroy you. how dare i? im only trying to help. if you dont want it, dont come on the internet whining about your crappy sales job.
p.s. i met my wife when i was homeless. all i owned was my backpack, 2 extra pair of clothes, and my dog. dont try to sell me on how the world is stepping on you.
you cant bs a bs-er

a reply to: tinyDAWK
I agree with you. I had a job doing call center work and I got fired after one week because I had to make so many sales a day.
I have experience in manufacturing, production work, etc. I was not enough of an a=hole to people to keep the call center job.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Brotherman

As the owner, I feel it is my responsibility to know every position in my business and have the ability to sit in that station and perform their daily tasks. The one exception is the CPA we use. No thanks.

I worked on building Cessna props for an outsourced company tig welding in a vacuum sealed argon chamber and had a conversation with the aeronautical engineer on site once, he expressed the idea he understood how these things work as far as assembly but admired the ability of the fabricators to make his designs work. I can understand an owner in a dog food distribution plant to understand what their pick module does, I just find it highly absurd they also know how to build one much less how to maintain it and fix it. In my line of work, management alot like what I'm getting from you know absolutely everything, most of the time they forget something very simple, if they already knew it all, why pick up the phone and call someone like me?

I think it may be not your responsibility to know everything, I think its your responsibility when you dont have the answers, your capable of finding them. But wtf do I know big shot leaders know everything. I was once told knowledge speaks, wisdom listens.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: tinyDAWK

Please see my response posted moments ago to the OP.

it wasnt 100% directed at you. plus, as you said.... same job, 30 years. if you go and try to get a new one, you will understand what he is talking about.

originally posted by: eisegesis
I had a guy that I would catch having frequent conversations all throughout the day with random people. Each five minute conversation could add up to an hour that I just paid him to do nothing.

Add in two 15 minute breaks, which they magically show up early for and have a hard time leaving, 30 minutes for lunch, plus bathroom breaks, the walking, natural inattentiveness and you have yourself a reason to hire and maintain great, hardworking, POLITE, individuals. Its harder than it appears.

Personally, I would rather be nice to someone out of respect to myself. I know that is hard at times, but there is a greater reward for those who can at peace while "defeating" their opponents. Just remember though, often times opponents are generated from those they are opposing.

I don't think this bathroom ordeal was the right opportunity to show your cards. The work that you do might suck if hes focusing on your bathroom schedule. If your work was on-point, I wouldn't give two ships about how many ships you take. Check your overall total performance at work before you capitalize on something so trivial.

I can see how you might draw those conclusions
without knowing all the facts.

You have made a lot of assumption here.
Allow me to correct a few.

You assume my work was not on-point, wrong.
Actually, the day this new manager was messing
with me I was blowing the sales goals out of the
water. I was my best day yet.

Because I had numbers on the board, I made
a conscious and deliberate choice fight this
battle. For one thing I can stand up to a
bully better then most people and I can
articulate my thoughts better than most.

I felt it was my DUTY to STAND-UP to ABUSE
because I saw the same ABUSE being directed
at other people in the office. The guy next
to me was ready to throw in the towel, and
'so I took one for the team and used the
political capital right then and not later.

Make sense?

Is it trivial --- not to me.

It about the PRINCIPLE.

It is all about establish health boundaries.
No just for me, but the good of others in
the office who are to fearful to stand up
and speak for themselves.

I rather fight a "trivial" battle now and
not have to fight ever again. I battle on
the phone to get sales, I don't need to
battle the prospects and the boss.

Leave me allow, let me sell.

Judge me by my numbers and not by
how often I wash my hands.

a reply to: tinyDAWK

Chill.... I am only have fun with you.

No offense intended.

Are we kewl?

Good.

a reply to: wasaka

yup

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nwtrucker
As we don't know what other attempts the poster has made in the past in resolving this dominance (?) issue, then it becomes hard to evaluated his actions.

He has been there for a whopping eight days. I would wager that this confrontational demeanor is nothing he picked up on this job.

Ah, I missed that. Then I agree.

There is a trend, at least in my neck of the woods, for Corporations to label their employees as 'Associates'. Likely to get around employee regulations. At least until the legislators can catch up with the wrinkle. There is now the mind-set-educated(?)- that everyone is equal, including in the workplace, and orders are not received without resentment. Rather consulting with the associates and reaching a consensus is the ideal and demanded mechanism by this latest batch from the 'nurseries'/schools.

Life will be a hard teacher, methinks...

a reply to: nwtrucker
Doesn't WalMart consider their slave labor force as "associates"?

a reply to: NewzNose

Why? Because I'm angry?

Actually, being angry drive me to sell.

I always hated sales, but I'm liking this rough
and tough environment where I can be myself.

The product sell it self, without any reason
to lie or misrepresent the service.

Beyond the integrity of the company,
I like the Big Boss, and he likes me.

He has no problem with me being REAL
and HONEST, cause that's the way he is.
This new guy just needed to be broken
in and taught that his job is help me
sell and not to force a false authority
on me or others.

I did what I had to do, and for the
good of the whole office I might add.

I see the outcome as win-win
for everyone, even this new guy.
He will enjoy his job more if he
stops trying to be a Alpha Male.
We already have one of those.

Are you the Alpha Male you referred to, or the new guy? I'm confused….I thought you have only had this job for 8 days. Seems a little soon to be putting people/bosses "in their place".

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: wasaka
If he is going out of his way to question your time spent in the bathroom, you can damn sure believe that he will be watching your every move now. People like that don't take kindly to people standing up to him (unless this was just an off day for him). I would be wary, but polite around him now.

True, I am being very nice and extra polite.

He is new. He has to find his way into the office culture
just like I did.... and I just helped point him in the right
direction. It is like dog training, reward good behavior
and you will get more of it.

I call it "How to Manage Your Manager."

The first rule is to make the boss look good, but
this new guy wasn't doing that. I got him with
an issue that I could have taking to the HR
department and that would have been bad
for him and me.

We talked it out. That is all that happened.

I respect him, he respect me.

Soon we will be joking with each other about
some crude sh!t and laugh like brothers, because
we came close the locking horns and we each
got to save face.

It is all about respect, you are correct.

I have been at my current job for 35 years, and in managment since the late 80's. Id fire the both of them. I dont ask about bathroom use. I am only concerned that the job duties be completed correctly and on time. Any lip about anything, such as your personal sex life or any posturing out of you and you are done.... Out the door with you... With a Police escort if you like.

originally posted by: jdb51
Are you the Alpha Male you referred to, or the new guy? I'm confused….I thought you have only had this job for 8 days. Seems a little soon to be putting people/bosses "in their place".

It is never to soon to stand up and say
I will not take this abuse and I will not
allow you to cross this boundary.

That doesn't make me a Alpha Male, it
just makes me a guy who feed up with
false authority in any form.

The Big Boss (Thomas) is the REAL MAN.

Everyone respects Tom or they find themselves
bouncing down the road wondering what just happened.

In fact, I modeled my behavior/attitude after Thomas.
He is a strong leader and he attacks strong followers.
This is his church and what I did was just me singing
along to his sheet of music. The fact I still have a job
is proof I can read people.

> I have been at my current job for 35 years, and in managment since
> the late 80's, an I agree with you. In fact, Id fire the both of them.

How wonderful for you.

You and your professional assessment can take
a long walk down a short peer.

You're fired

a reply to: wasakaYou are done. Both you and your boyfriend. done and spun. Take a hike