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originally posted by: frugal
I read about this story on Linda Howe's web site first. I nearly fell off my chair! Exciting information. Now who is going to whip it up into a great movie script idea? Filling in the details of the unknown with creative information. Must have fabulous special effects and detailed plot of why they are here and what they are doing.... What are the scientists doing, and why are they even involved with the ET? If Jupiter's moon has a massive quantity of water on it the ET are not here for the water. They must be visiting or inhabiting for our environment with air, and the Earth's life forms....
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
originally posted by: JadeStar
What I see is a new "alien base" story coming along at a time when most people have discounted Bob Lazar's "aliens at Area 51" and Mirage Men exposed the lie that is "Dulce Base" which was intentionally fed to Paul Bennewitz to cover up classified, but terrestrial projects.
Not to mention both of those claims have been thoroughly investigate.
Conveniently, we now have an 'alien/human base' story in a part of the world that is anything but convenient to investigate.
And it comes from the same easily duped Linda Moulton Howe who still believes the CARAT fake drone photos/documents. She has her own belief system and agenda, facts be damned.
She will believe -proven- hoaxes and publicize them as though they are real. That's shoddy journalism by all standards.
BTW: I showed my ex this thread and he laughed and said "if the aliens are down here then apparently they aren't very intelligent because why would they need to hide? Nothing we have could really hurt them."
Which is sound logic.
So if you were aliens it would be logical to locate yourself in populated areas? I fail to see the logic in that..I think its logical if there are aliens to locate themselves where there is almost no one to see them...Antarctica I think would be the perfect place for that..
Why hide at all is the point?
Let me put it this way: You are an alien species millions, perhaps billions of years more advanced than humanity.
Why hide? What would you have to fear? You can summon energies and technologies we can not even dream of. Humanity's most fearsome weapon is of little consequence since you spend more energy in a month of travel among the stars than all of humanity's nuclear weapons put together.
Aliens hiding is great sci-fi but it doesn't wash in reality.
originally posted by: OnionHead
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
originally posted by: JadeStar
What I see is a new "alien base" story coming along at a time when most people have discounted Bob Lazar's "aliens at Area 51" and Mirage Men exposed the lie that is "Dulce Base" which was intentionally fed to Paul Bennewitz to cover up classified, but terrestrial projects.
Not to mention both of those claims have been thoroughly investigate.
Conveniently, we now have an 'alien/human base' story in a part of the world that is anything but convenient to investigate.
And it comes from the same easily duped Linda Moulton Howe who still believes the CARAT fake drone photos/documents. She has her own belief system and agenda, facts be damned.
She will believe -proven- hoaxes and publicize them as though they are real. That's shoddy journalism by all standards.
BTW: I showed my ex this thread and he laughed and said "if the aliens are down here then apparently they aren't very intelligent because why would they need to hide? Nothing we have could really hurt them."
Which is sound logic.
So if you were aliens it would be logical to locate yourself in populated areas? I fail to see the logic in that..I think its logical if there are aliens to locate themselves where there is almost no one to see them...Antarctica I think would be the perfect place for that..
Why hide at all is the point?
Let me put it this way: You are an alien species millions, perhaps billions of years more advanced than humanity.
Why hide? What would you have to fear? You can summon energies and technologies we can not even dream of. Humanity's most fearsome weapon is of little consequence since you spend more energy in a month of travel among the stars than all of humanity's nuclear weapons put together.
Aliens hiding is great sci-fi but it doesn't wash in reality.
Exactly. Just a pitty I couldn't star that more than once. Supposedly you've got this advanced species that can travel unthinkable distances through the universe, yet they hide in the snow, what they be doing? Chilling out. Just land in a public place and be done with it ffs.
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
Yeah because announcing themselves to the public would be a great idea.. Most people are not ready for the truth an society will collapsed s that's why..
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
Yeah because announcing themselves to the public would be a great idea.. Most people are not ready for the truth an society will collapsed s that's why..
I think this is failed logic...
The reason it is failed logic is because they could have been totally integrated with humans, totally out in the open quite easily in the last 10,000 years or more, but now it is a popular argument that society is not ready because of maybe the frailness of our society in the last 100 years or less.
So lets debunk this once and for all. Lets say advance aliens become public tomorrow... They offer the cure for everything, they offer food for all., they offer a new start that would end all wars, end all ideals of race supremacy and we enter into a new age of total enlightenment. Ok, it disrupts our way of life for what a few years at best, but everything gets better and better...can you see how silly and illogical the concept of "society will collapsed" ideal really is?
Ok, lets say our secret Government wants to keep control, and that is why aliens are still secret... Really? Do you think a super advance alien race really cares about our primitive Government setup to really feel the need to protect it?
The reason why we have a secret Government that keeps aliens a secret is because there are no aliens and this is the only story that can explain why they are still hidden all these centuries/millenniums.
Think about it....
The sightings of July 26–27 also made front-page headlines, and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Capt. Ruppelt to ask for an explanation of the sightings. Ruppelt, remembering the conversation he had with Capt. James, told the President that the sightings might have been caused by a temperature inversion, in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. This condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppelt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation.[17]
CIA historian Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. On 19 and 20 July, radar scopes at Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base tracked mysterious blips. On 27 July, the blips reappeared."[18]
White House concern may possibly have resulted in an order to shoot down the UFOs, reported in various International News Service (INS) stories on July 29, 1952. E.g., one such story reported that "jet pilots have been placed on a 24-hour nationwide 'alert against the flying saucers' with orders to 'shoot them down' if they ignore orders to land." An Air Force public information officer, Lt. Col. Moncel Monte, confirmed the directive stating, "The jet pilots are, and have been, under orders to investigate unidentified objects and to shoot them down if they can't talk them down."
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
I don't think its a failed logic.. Interfering with humanity's development would not help us but hurt us. Its like the prime directive in Star Trek.If aliens announced themselves today there would be mass panic..Religion will most likely fall apart as well as economies.
Also you are assuming that if alien's exist that they are benevolent...
The sightings..........
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
Please tell me what those saucers were then in the most protected airspace in the world...
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: JadeStar
Umm.. put on your glasses, its not the Aurora that you are supose to notice in the picture
its the black dot, that should be a entrance hole
But I guess you only used about 2 seconds looking, and decided to be a internet troll
You're calling me an internet troll because I don't believe an image artifact is a "hole in the earth".... yeah that really sounds rational.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
Please tell me what those saucers were then in the most protected airspace in the world...
It is funny that you use the word "saucers" and not UFO. You are totally convinced that they were aliens. No one actually saw anything but lights and a radar ping so how did we jump to saucers and aliens, as jumps go that is most likely the biggest one a person can use to come to a conclusion.
If we were to use deduction here the best thing is to do is ask why.
1. Why would aliens have bright lights on their aircraft at all?
2. Why would they have a formation over DC for 15 minutes then go and not do it ever again.?
3. Why do we not pick up strange radar pings daily if they are always around us since it seems even our older tech in the early 50s can see them.
4. I guess the military never does anything unannounced to to public/FAA, or other agencies never to this either.
5. Throw in other countries too that never do anything unannounced. Wouldn't it be funny if it was a group of Russian aircraft deep in the start of the cold war in a show of force due to our vulnerabilities at that time...lol
4. In 1952 was the white House really heavily Guarded airspace... Was any airspace at that time guarded?
5. Why were they not angel? Both aliens and angels have about the same evidence of their existence.
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We are not ready. There is a case where ufos showed up in Washington d.c on 1952 and has numerous photographs,radar contacts, witnesses and even a shoot-down order .Then president Harry Truman even asked the AF what they were..Even with this case people still don't believe in the possibility that alien life is currently visiting earth.
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
4) so you are saying that the military was responsible for the sighting lol that's hilarious so the shootdown order was to shoot themselves? And the president was not informed?
5)Russian craft? really? In the middle of the cold war? You think russia would violate the most protected airspace in the ENTIRE WORLD in order to risk nuclear war? Wow
6) Angels last I checked don't give off radar pings.. LOL You lost me with the angel's part..take care
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Aquariusdude
That's a really nice color photograph of 1952 DC... you do realize that is a bit problematic. Unless all those saucers posed for the picture and stayed still while the exposure took place, it's likely a bs photograph.
Aquariusdude
Xtrozero
Really, do you know that for sure? Is this another fact of yours? Everyone knows angels do not ping radar...hmmmm prove it...