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originally posted by: SpaceWizard
Is this thread being monitored at all ?
It appears to; have lots off topic posts and be off topic.
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
We are not ready. There is a case where ufos showed up in Washington d.c on 1952 and has numerous photographs,radar contacts, witnesses and even a shoot-down order .Then president Harry Truman even asked the AF what they were..Even with this case people still don't believe in the possibility that alien life is currently visiting earth.(and there hundreds of other cases with solid evidence with credible witnesses)..But for a large segment of the population they will never be able to accept the possibility that we are not alone and are currently being visited...
Also you are assuming that if alien's exist that they are benevolent...
I would love for you to tell me what those saucers in Washington D.C were...Temperature inversions? lol
en.wikipedia.org...
The sightings of July 26–27 also made front-page headlines, and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Capt. Ruppelt to ask for an explanation of the sightings. Ruppelt, remembering the conversation he had with Capt. James, told the President that the sightings might have been caused by a temperature inversion, in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. This condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppelt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation.[17]
CIA historian Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. On 19 and 20 July, radar scopes at Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base tracked mysterious blips. On 27 July, the blips reappeared."[18]
White House concern may possibly have resulted in an order to shoot down the UFOs, reported in various International News Service (INS) stories on July 29, 1952. E.g., one such story reported that "jet pilots have been placed on a 24-hour nationwide 'alert against the flying saucers' with orders to 'shoot them down' if they ignore orders to land." An Air Force public information officer, Lt. Col. Moncel Monte, confirmed the directive stating, "The jet pilots are, and have been, under orders to investigate unidentified objects and to shoot them down if they can't talk them down."
Pic of ufo's over White House
www.crystalinks.com...
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
The objects were in fact on radar...
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
a reply to: draknoir2
What about the other photographs? What about the witnesses?
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Aquariusdude
The DC UFOs in 1952 certainly kicked up a storm but were not mass sightings. The events were real however the photos and often seen video are not genuine footage.
Most of the 'objects' were detected on radar and only a few witnesses had visual sightings. The photos are almost all from the same source with the reflection from the street lights below causing the impression that there are real objects over the Capitol. See CardDown's blog.
www.blueblurrylines.com...
It is suspected that both weekends of UFO's in July 1952 were caused by a secret military exercise. Project Palladium comes to mind. But even if it was something else it is still a huge leap to believe it was aliens.
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Aquariusdude
The DC UFOs in 1952 certainly kicked up a storm but were not mass sightings. The events were real however the photos and often seen video are not genuine footage.
Most of the 'objects' were detected on radar and only a few witnesses had visual sightings. The photos are almost all from the same source with the reflection from the street lights below causing the impression that there are real objects over the Capitol. See CardDown's blog.
www.blueblurrylines.com...
It is suspected that both weekends of UFO's in July 1952 were caused by a secret military exercise. Project Palladium comes to mind. But even if it was something else it is still a huge leap to believe it was aliens.
How could it be a secret military exercise when there was a shootdown order?
A few days prior to the incident [Washington DC July 1952], a scientist, from an agency that I can't name and I were talking about the build-up of reports along the east coast of the United States". At the end of the two hour conversation, the scientist made a prediction: ..... 'Within the next few days....they're going to blow up and you're going to have the granddaddy of all UFO sightings. The sighting will occur in Washington or New York,' he predicted, 'probably Washington.'"
Source : Captain Edward Ruppelt - ”The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects” - Chapter 12
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Aquariusdude
The DC UFOs in 1952 certainly kicked up a storm but were not mass sightings. The events were real however the photos and often seen video are not genuine footage.
Most of the 'objects' were detected on radar and only a few witnesses had visual sightings. The photos are almost all from the same source with the reflection from the street lights below causing the impression that there are real objects over the Capitol. See CardDown's blog.
www.blueblurrylines.com...
It is suspected that both weekends of UFO's in July 1952 were caused by a secret military exercise. Project Palladium comes to mind. But even if it was something else it is still a huge leap to believe it was aliens.
How could it be a secret military exercise when there was a shootdown order?
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
a reply to: bbracken677
I believe the shootdown order was for the Washington Dc area as that's where the airpspace was violated.
senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote:
We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft.
originally posted by: mirageman
originally posted by: Aquariusdude
a reply to: bbracken677
I believe the shootdown order was for the Washington Dc area as that's where the airpspace was violated.
You can believe that if you want and you can believe the story in your OP. But according to the media the 1952 "shoot down" order was a nationwide alert.
Although the Air Force played the threat down not long after the press reports and claimed it as 'temperature inversions.
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Aquariusdude
One cannot, rationally, come to any logical conclusion as to whether they are "ours" or not. I am pretty much referring to all UFO sightings. By definition they are UFOs...Unidentified. There is no proof of aliens, although in many cases the alien scenario seems to fit the best.
Who is to say with any certainty that the UFOs are not visitors from our future? In a vacuum of hard information it is not logical to jump to conclusions. One may speculate, but to say with certainty is just rationalization.
I want to believe. I have my own list of "best evidence" but looking at my own list if I am honest, there is no proof of aliens per se. There is only speculation. Unfortunately, it is likely that until TPTB tell us there has been contact, we will not know. Or perhaps when an alien craft crash lands in a populated area or something of that magnitude.
I just hope to know the truth before I die.....