Israeli Naval Ship Bombs Palestinian Children on Gaza Beach - Killing Four

originally posted by: Rosha
Yes I have an agenda I want Human Rights applied to ALL human beings EQUALLY all over the world!

Except Israel, as apparently their firing thousands of rockets into Israel was of no concern to you!

claims of Hamas shields

All true - Hamas has admitted that they use human shields - but you ignore that!

a reply to: hellobruce

Do you believe that Hamas has a realistic capability of destroying Israel?

Serious question.

Please can you answer this question. I'll follow you around every thread until you answer it.

It shows that you just don't have an answer. You just keep repeating the same thing time and time again on each thread regarding this topic.

originally posted by: Kram09
Do you believe that Hamas has a realistic capability of destroying Israel?

They are certainly trying!

It shows that you just don't have an answer.

Actually it shows you refuse to accept reality, that the destruction of Israel is in the Hamas charter

a reply to: hellobruce

They are certainly trying!

You've just avoided the question rather than directly answer it.

Actually it shows you refuse to accept reality, that the destruction of Israel is in the Hamas charter

Thank you for proving my point.
So it's in the Hamas Charter? Yes you've mentioned that on almost every thread you've been in. I'll ask the question again and maybe you can directly answer it this time:

Do you believe that Hamas has a realistic capability of destroying Israel?

originally posted by: Kram09
You've just avoided the question rather than directly answer it.

Wrong again, I did directly answer it, but the answer does no agree with your mindset.

You do not get to say how someone answers a question here!

a reply to: hellobruce

Wrong again, I did directly answer it, but the answer does no agree with your mindset.

Rubbish. A yes or a no that's a direct answer.

You can't even give an honest direct answer, which goes to show the fallacy of everything you've been prattling on about.

So go on...try answer the question yes or no. If you truly believe the stuff you keep endlessly repeating on this website I ask you to give a yes or no answer.

Do you believe that Hamas has a realistic capability of destroying Israel?

Yes or no.

One hour ago Dr's at Shifa Hosptial were radiotelephoned by IDF and told to evacuate as they are going to be bombed.

This is the first direct threat made to al-Shifa hospital, they are now in the process of evacuating all the patients

This is a war crime.

All the advanced surgical departments building have been evacuated

The top two floors of Al Shifa hospital, are dedicated solely to children.


Evil, criminal. War crime.

Four of the patients at Al Shifa Hospital

originally posted by: Rosha
One hour ago Dr's at Shifa Hosptial were radiotelephoned by IDF and told to evacuate as they are going to be bombed.

This is the first direct threat made to al-Shifa hospital, they are now in the process of evacuating all the patients

Well, if Hamas terrorists left the hospital it would not be attacked!

Hamas bunker Several reports by Shin Bet officials (Yuval Diskin, Yitzhak Ilan) stated that Hamas used Al-Shifa hospital as bunker and refuge, knowing it will be spared by air-strikes. Ahmed Jabari hid there during the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict.[8][10] In 2009, The Palestinian Health Ministry, run by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, accused Hamas members of taking control of wards in Shifa Hospital, using them for interrogation and imprisonment, while withholding medical care.[11] During 2014, Operation Protective Edge, the hospital was described by The Washington Post as being a "de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices."[12] According to the WorldNetDaily, a conservative website[13] Middle Eastern security officials were said to believe that Hamas members are using the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza not only as a hiding place but also as a sanctuary command center for some of the Islamist group's operations targeting Israel and are using tunnels to move in and out of the complex.[14] During Operation Protective Edge, Wall Street Journal correspondent Nick Casey reportedly tweeted a photo of what appeared to be a Hamas official using Shifa hospital for media interviews, but then later deleted it after citing it was "speculative." [15]

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www.algemeiner.com... srael-video/

A television reporter from Finland’s Helsingin Sanomat, the “Helsinki Dispatch,” spent the night reporting from Gaza’s Al Shifa Hospital, where she saw Hamas militants launching a rocket from the hospital’s parking lot, confirming a war crime that few journalists have dared report.

Using hospitals, schools and mosques to store weapons or as a military base is against international rules of war. The Al Shifa Hospital, in particular, has been an area of focus after journalists reported that Hamas was using the hospital as a headquarters, but many of their reports were withdrawn, deleted on social media or actually taken off their newspaper websites because of fears for their safety and retribution from Hamas for reporting the truth.

Of course you ignore this...

This is a war crime.

No, the war crime is Hamas terrorists using the hospital to hide in and launch rockets from, and their supporters ignore that.

Where are we heading? Dr Mads Gilbert interview.
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If you will not listen to the voices of reason, YOUR children will be left to face the fury of the voices of insanity

Boycotting Israeli goods and services. #BDS
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Surgery being performed on the floor.
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Al Najar Hospital in Rafah evacuated as Israeli genocidal rampage continues, continuing bombs in the hospital and surroundings.
Hospitals in Rafah no longer able to received bodies of those killed.
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60,000 Israeli missiles and rockets have hit the Gaza strip in the last 25 days.

" The worst thing is they're not even trying to justify it any more, they're just killing everyone , everything that moves." - anon contact in Gaza

There is no hasbara for genocide.

#AJAGAZA #GazaNames

originally posted by: Rosha
Surgery being performed on the floor.

If the Hamas terrorists moved out of the hospitals I bet their would be enough room - but no, the cowardly Hamas terrorists prefer to hide in hospitals. Pathetic really.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Rosha
Surgery being performed on the floor.

If the Hamas terrorists moved out of the hospitals I bet their would be enough room - but no, the cowardly Hamas terrorists prefer to hide in hospitals. Pathetic really.

I have sat here and born your hatred for a week and mostly in silence. Your words have spoken of your nature and character far more than I could ever say in response to them.

There is nothing left to say to you, except, that if you think for a moment, that the presence of one or even one thousand militants at any hospital site anywhere, justifies the slaughter of the innocent within that hospital, then you are already dead. Go away. Rest in peace. This problem and its solutions, are for the living.

May whatever God that exists, one day heal your descendants and have as much mercy on your soul as you yourself have shown to the Palestinian people.

originally posted by: Rosha
I have sat here and born your hatred

My hatred? Who is the one supporting the Hamas terrorists, who hate the Jews so much it is in their charter that Israel must be destroyed? Hamas hate Israel so much that they have launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the years?

that the presence of one or even one thousand militants at any hospital site anywhere

As I said - if the terrorists moved out of the hospitals there would be enough room to treat people. Furthermore if the Hamas terrorists had not attacked Israel there would be no casualties - a fact that you love to ignore.

If the Israeli Jew Terrorists never illegally invaded and took over a country that has nothing to do with them there wouldn't be any conflict. The Palestinians are just defending themselves against a formidable US supplied force.

Hamas is not on the side of the Palestinians!

Israel’s supposed arch-enemy, Hamas, was founded and funded by Israel’s dominant Likud party. It is a documented fact reported by mainstream news outlets and admitted by respected individuals within the US and Israeli governments and intelligence agencies.

Whenever the prospect of a workable peace settlement between the Israelis and Palestinians arises, Hamas or one of their offshoots blows something Israeli up or fires some pissant rockets. This gives Israel the justification needed to scupper any agreement and further entrench their occupation of disputed lands.

All the outsider sees is carnage, death and a mainstream media that spins the issue so that these atrocities somehow represent the wishes of the Palestinian people. Nothing could be further from the truth!

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

It's such a shame some people are easily fooled into believing Hamas fights for Palestine!

I have a solution to this age old conflict...Cut the land in half ,put a big wall in between it,give them both parties equal resources,cut finances to both and make them live by the laws or let them to mutually,painfully and slowly murder each other during the coming years...Then the choice is really theirs to make.

a reply to: hellobruce

Your excuses are shameful.

I feel sorry for you.

Gaza updates 6:50 GMT : 1841 killed 9370 injured 10080 houses have been destroyed


(Ismael Mohamad / United Press International)
“Concentrate” and “exterminate”: Israel parliament deputy speaker’s Gaza genocide plan
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When even Zionists themselves are admitting the 'project has failed' why are you still supporting genocide?
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Israel wipes out Gaza ice cream factory that stored vital medicines (and was storing bodies until now)
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Chief Pillay, UNHRC: Israeli attacks on UN-run schools and shelters "do not appear to be accidental"
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Israeli army whistleblower Eran Efrati says he was arrested/q'd for revealing accounts of Israeli crimes in Gaza:
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Israel bans Palestinians from entering Al-Aqsa Mosque
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Kuwaiti Maternity Hospital in Rafah unable to cope with scores of dead and injured - 17 hospitals and 19 UN schools have been deliberately targeted since onset of IDF aggression.
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In 28 days: 0.1% Of #Gaza was murdered by Israel, 0.5% injured. That's equal to 300,000 deaths and 1,500,000 injuries if it happened to USA.

PDF file on Gaza gas and Israels upcoming energy crisis:
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Pro Isreali propaganda caught lying on Youtube about Hamas and human shield



IDF target Rafah UN feeding station. Kill 10.




Another addition to the case for deliberate war crimes.Geneva convention Article 53 Protocol 1
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Al Shifa Hospital still stands. GAza does not stand alone
Worlds people uniting for Gaza
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Feiglin's statements calling for genocide to the Knesset are evidential war crimes in themselves.

The Genocide Convention defines genocide as any of a number acts “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such.”

These acts are:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


Here is Feiglin’s 1 August statement on Facebook, translated in full by Dena Shunra:


With God’s Help Attention Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Mr. Prime Minister,
We have just heard that Hamas has used the ceasefire to abduct an officer. ( a claim later proved false as stated by IDF ! -ed) It turns out that this operation is not about to be over any too soon.

The failures of this operation were inherent to it from the outset, because: a) It has no proper and clear goal; b) there is no appropriate moral framework to support our soldiers.
What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.
There are no two states, and there are no two peoples. There is only one state for one people.
Having internalized this, what is needed is a deep and thorough strategic review, in terms of the definition of the enemy, of the operational tasks, of the strategic goals, and of course, of appropriate necessary war ethics.

(1) Defining the enemy: The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)

(2) Defining the tasks Conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters. (3) Defining the strategic goal: To turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians. (4) Defining war ethics: “Woe to the evildoer, and woe to his neighbor”

In light of these four points, Israel must do the following: a) The IDF [Israeli army] shall designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.

The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected.
b) The formerly populated areas will be shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.

c) The IDF will divide the Gaza Strip laterally and crosswise, significantly expand the corridors, occupy commanding positions, and exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.

d) Israel will start searching for emigration destinations and quotas for the refugees from Gaza. Those who wish to emigrate will be given a generous economic support package, and will arrive at the receiving countries with considerable economic capabilities.

e) Those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem.

f) When the fighting will end, Israeli law will be extended to cover the entire Gaza Strip, the people evicted from the Gush Katif will be invited to return to their settlements, and the city of Gaza and its suburbs will be rebuilt as true Israeli touristic and commercial cities.

Mr. Prime Minister,
This is the a fateful hour of decision in the history of the State of Israel.
All metastases of our enemy, from Iran and Hizballah through ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood, are rubbing their hands gleefully and preparing themselves for the next round.

I am warning that any outcome that is less than what I defined here means encouraging the continued offensive against Israel. Only when Hizballah will understand how we have dealt with Hamas in the south, it will refrain from launching its 100,000 missiles from the north.
I call on you to adopt the strategy proposed here.
I have no doubt that the entire Israeli people will stand to your right with its overwhelming majority, like myself – if only you will adopt it.

With high regards, respectfully, Moshe Feiglin

originally posted by: Rosha
Gaza updates 6:50 GMT : 1841 killed 9370 injured 10080 houses have been destroyed

Gaza update - Hamas terrorists are still using human shields, hiding in hospitals and schools, storing their rockets in hospitals, schools and now icecream factories, they still do not care about civilians - they have still vowed to destroy Israel and the Jews - so nothing has changed.

Also they Hamas terrorists still have their supporters spreading lies and propaganda!

After reading Moshe's statements about Gaza I then read this, a speech made by Hitler in 1939 justifying the expulsion of the Jews and giving insight into zio-nazist ideological thinking. Link here: Replacing the word Jews with the word Arabs, I saw no substantial difference whatever. Historical, yet not hysterically, it is fast becoming clear 'where we are' on this issue as a global politic and population.

For those still ignorant of time line of recent events, this entire disaster began with the willful shooting murder by IDF soldiers of an unarmed 27-year-old Palestinian named Oudeh Hamad of Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip . Everything that has occurred, occurred step by step, after this murder and IDF Staff and personnel themselves already openly admit that Hamas was provoked into retaliatory rocket fire by mass arrests of Palestinians after the IDF lied about the circumstances of murder of three Israeli teens.

The zionist led msm manipulation of the current timeline is spelled out here.Link

The zionist pogrom of erasing Palestine, from history and from life is widely documented and evidenced in many places from many sources around the world. Just as the nazi's attempted to do with the Jewish population, erasure of war crime and accountability is, was has always been, the goal of such manipulation.
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It is not anti-Semitic to stand against clear actions of genocide, in fact it is a duty of anyone claiming to love freedom or respect international law and human rights to do so.
It is not anti-Jew to support Gaza
It is not anti-Jew to discriminate between Judaism and political zionism

It is specious reasoning to declare anyone reporting the facts and standing for International Law is a " Hamas supporter"
It is specious reasoning to call anyone supporting peace and the Palestinian people a "Hamas supporter".
It is specious reasoning to call anyone supporting a just peace a " Jew Hater" - especially Jewish ppl I might add.
It is specious reasoning to assume anyone who can read, is not capable of drawing their own conclusions external to manipulated media interference or your opinion of the situation.
It is incorrect to conclude that All Jews are Zionists and all Zionists are Jews.
And it is useless to make unfounded statements about people posting on this site, when you know nothing of their cultural or religious beliefs or political position as whole.

PTN: Unlike the clear use of the Jewish people as human shields by Zionism, not one shred of credible evidence, verified by UN or any external oversight in the region exists to support the claim Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields or bombing from hospital and UN facilities. Video supplied by the IDF that purported to show Hamas firing from Al Wafa hospital was not only footage taken 3 days after civilian evacuation, it was later proven doctored footage by independent bodies and EI. electronicintifada.net...

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Rosha
Gaza updates 6:50 GMT : 1841 killed 9370 injured 10080 houses have been destroyed

Gaza update - Hamas terrorists are still using human shields, hiding in hospitals and schools, storing their rockets in hospitals, schools and now icecream factories, they still do not care about civilians - they have still vowed to destroy Israel and the Jews - so nothing has changed.

Also they Hamas terrorists still have their supporters spreading lies and propaganda!

Again I will re-iterate! Hamas Terrorists are working for the Israeli Terrorists! The feeble propaganda stories saying that Hamas are hiding rockets in Ice Cream Factories, Schools and Hospitals are exactly that Feeble Stories. These are the lies fed to idiots to make them believe the justification for killing kids!

Hamas doesn't need to use Human Shields. Israeli Terrorists bomb anything with a pulse and with sheer impunity.

Israeli Terrorists do not care about killing innocent people. Israeli Terrorists are just like the Nazi's. They have no empathy for their actions and they are vile Racists!

I'm afraid hellobruce you are very easily swayed by Israeli Terrorist propaganda!