Israeli Naval Ship Bombs Palestinian Children on Gaza Beach - Killing Four

News from Gaza City that all is quiet there at present, as people around the globe hold their breath for sanity.

Found this, an interesting insight into how media of all kinds is creating reality.
Israe/Gaza War & Data

Also Dr Mads Gilbert, something of a media hero now, reporting for Ipal fundraiser.
www.youtube.com...

BCC's Max Keiser on twitter ‏@maxkeiser Aug 3: "The reason I quit my BBC show; got strict orders not to mention Israel in any context. This kind of censorship leads to #Gaza horror."


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Tinfoil, that reporter has already been 'outed' for what he is - already over-proved data. Enough already.

The Shati beach massacre is well documented too and there are several dozen eye witness and independent ( to Gazan e/w) along with UN and HRW witnesses testimony that counter by miles, the ongoing reportage in Israeli media that ' it didn't happen and then ' it did but it was Hamas'. Whats-more, evidence, in the form of shell casings and fragments removed from dead bodies by Dr's @AlShifa, put any lie of the IDF to rest, those casing are now in the hands of specialists and were not local....and Drs at Al Shifa WOULD know. I respect THEIR view...before anyone's op ed. Circumstantially, if you really think that the people of Gaza do not know the difference between the sound of Hamas rockets and a IDF missile strike..its not me deluding myself.

Please do your research before trying to undermine, I am happy to admit when I am wrong, but I am not going to sit here being bombarded by bs

tc

a reply to: Hilux1996

According to The Independent Jeremy Bowen has not been pulled due to Israeli pressure but is merely "on holiday."

Fair enough, but it does seem a bit bizarre. I suppose everyone is entitled to a holiday. Just seems odd timing.

originally posted by: Hilux1996

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Hilux1996
a reply to: hellobruce

Ah Wikipedia! Zionist controlled BS!

So anything that posts the facts is Zionist controlled BS....

Facts? Did you say facts? Here's a fact for you. The Zionists were behind the Holocaust.

Would you agree or disagree with that Fact?!

I'm sorry but what? Eh? Drivel?

I presume he means the well documented historical 'drivel' that shows that without Hitler, State of Israel wouldn't exist at all. That, and other suppressed historical perspectives that demonstrate, that as a result of Zionist collaboration with the Reich, those Jews who would not accept the transfer agreement, were intentionally abandoned and were left to be murdered with full awareness of the Zionist movement and US congress.

What is it they say? Those who don't learn from it , repeat it. As we seem not to have, and are about to repeat it again, it might pay to get reading.


Zionism and the Third Reich
[Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler]
www.ihr.org...

Insight from mews media and propaganda clips of the day pre transfer.
www.youtube.com...

You could read:

The Secret Contacts - Zionism and Nazi Germany, 1933 - 1941
archive.org...

Lenni Brenner:
- 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis. www.amazon.com...
- “Zionism in the Age of Dictators”. sites.google.com...
- The Death of Yitzhak Shamir, pro-Nazi Zionist
www.pajumontreal.org.../40/The-Death-of-Yitzhak-Shamir-pro-Nazi-Zionist-by-Lenni-Brenner

The Struggle: When the Zionists Brought SS Men to Haifa - Stanley Heller
thestruggle.org...

Adolf Hitler, Founder of Israel by Hennecke Kardel

Any number of sources links 'other side of the medallion' insights available just about everywhere, for as long as they will be.


If the goal of being on this site is to deny ignorance, then an open minded reading both sides of the historical context of the era is essential.


Rosha

originally posted by: Rosha

www.ihr.org...

Why am I not surprised you use the IHR as a source?

It is considered by many scholars as the world's leading Holocaust denial organization

It really shows what is behind you hatred for Jews and Israel.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: hellobruce

Your as bad as the rest of the Zionist Terrorist supporters.

Rosha obviously does not have a hatred for Jews. Neither do I. What I hate is Terrorism from the Zionists. And I hate stupid people that think Zionists and Jews are the same people.

I am here like others to discuss facts. I am not here to spread Hate information. You and people like AngryCymraeg seem to be oblivious of the facts about Israel and the Zionists and of the true history. Why don't you 2 go read some books or go research some articles about the true history of the Zionists. You might learn a thing or 2.

Rosha is correct about Adolf Hitler. He was created and supported by the Zionists. NOT THE JEWS!

originally posted by: Hilux1996
I am here like others to discuss facts.

No you are not, as shown you are not interested in facts - when you make false statements like"

Hamas lobs a few fire crackers at Israel

Not fire crackers at all, thousands of rockets.

and they respond with Ariel Bombardments, Chemical Weapons

What chemical weapons did Israel use against the Hamas terrorists?

Here go Hilux, some starters anyway, try not to feed the troll..Bruce is probably the only person to date responding to this thread (without ever having once read it) to NOT to put 2 and two together. So pls dont lower yourself to his gutter on my account ( ty tho) I have bigger balls than any troll ~B)

Rebuttal stuff :

Illegal white phosphorous use on Gaza civillians recent history, easily searchable media notes:

CL: 2008: www.al-monitor.com...#

CL 2009: www.hrw.org...

POD 2013 : 972mag.com...

OPE 2014: www.vtjp.org...
White phosphorus and Illegal flechette shells 2014
www.theguardian.com...

The Israeli high court even rejected petitions to cease using it!
en.idi.org.il...

"Rain of Fire" good book outlining broader context of IDF use of white phosphorus: books.google.com.au... vos_0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ki3jU-DLM43j8AWpv4HABw&ved=0CGEQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=IDF%20use%20of%20phosphorus%20weapons&f=false

" This time we went too far" Norman F also adds a great deal of insight into chem weapons abuses in the boarder context( was recently arrested for standing for Gaza)
books.google.com.au... C4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
2014:

So there is a clear pattern abuse of this and other illegal weapons in Gaza, MSF and other groups are documenting new forms of injuries this 'operation' and I assume that information will add to the evidence headed to the ICC and HRC

cheers
Rosha

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Hilux1996
I am here like others to discuss facts.

What chemical weapons did Israel use against the Hamas terrorists?

Does White Phosphorous ring any bells?

‘A political commentator says Israel is using US-supplied chemical weapons to target Palestinians in Gaza amid the regime’s deadly offensive against the blockaded territory, Press TV reports.

In an interview with Press TV on Sunday, Gordon Duff, a senior editor at Veterans Today, said Washington’s supplying of chemical weapons to the Tel Aviv regime “is one of the shames of the American relationship with Israel.”

The analyst added that the US has given “an infinite number of chemical weapons” to Israel, stressing that the regime has “burnt many Palestinian children” using US-supplied “white phosphorous bombs.”’

Israel Using US Supplied Chemical Weapons On Gazans



This is a picture of the Israeli / US White Phosphorous being used on Gaza.

The same # the US used on the Iraqi people in Falluja.

It's nasty stuff and the use is banned by the Geneva Convention. But it seems that it is ok for Israel and the US to use it on innocent women and children.

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Does White Phosphorous ring any bells?

WP is NOT a chemical weapon...

It's nasty stuff and the use is banned by the Geneva Convention.

more nonsense from you!

Israel used White Phosphorus against HAMAS targets in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead in January 2009. This violated no international laws or conventions... The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol III of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects, which regulates the use of "any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons . . ."

www.globalsecurity.org...
and

In an 2005 interview with RAI, Peter Kaiser, spokesman for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (an organization overseeing the CWC and reporting directly to the UN General Assembly), questioned whether the weapon should fall under the convention's provisions: No it's not forbidden by the CWC if it is used within the context of a military application which does not require or does not intend to use the toxic properties of white phosphorus. White phosphorus is normally used to produce smoke, to camouflage movement. If that is the purpose for which the white phosphorus is used, then that is considered under the convention legitimate use.

en.wikipedia.org...

dp

Hmmm

Photo of Israel’s use of White Phosphorous in Gaza in the January 2009 attack. Note that there is little smoke cover generated, and LOTS of fires. This is White Phosphorous, a chemical weapon, being used in a clearly residential area, to wound, main, kill and set fire to the place, in other words, to ethnically cleanse it and, and in the process commit genocide.

This was in 2009

White phosphorus is a material made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus that is used in smoke, tracer, illumination and incendiary munitions.[1] Other common names include WP, and the slang term "Willie Pete," which is dated from its use in Vietnam, and is still sometimes used in military jargon.[2] As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can ignite cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles.

In addition to its offensive capabilities, white phosphorus is also a highly efficient smoke-producing agent, burning quickly and producing an instant blanket of smoke. As a result, smoke-producing white phosphorus munitions are very common, particularly as smoke grenades for infantry, loaded in grenade launchers on tanks and other armored vehicles, or as part of the ammunition allotment for artillery or mortars. These create smoke screens to mask movement, position, infrared signatures, or the origin of fire from the enemy.

"chemical element" it says up there!

White Phosphorous

Phosphorus has the chemical symbol P, and its atomic number is 15. Its mass number is 30.97. It is not found in nature as an element but as compounds, such as phosphates. It can be a red or a white waxy solid.

It's a Chemical Weapon

originally posted by: Hilux1996
"chemical element" it says up there!

So when a bullet made of lead (Pb), a chemical element according to you it is a chemical weapon... or fires a M855 round, containing Copper (Cu), Iron (Fe) and Carbon (C), all chemical elements then it is a chemical weapon....

When someone throws a rock, which contains many elements like Silicon (Si), Alumina (Al) etc, all chemical elements, then according to you it is a chemical weapon!

It gets sillier and sillier everyday!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Hilux1996
"chemical element" it says up there!

So when a bullet made of lead (Pb), a chemical element according to you it is a chemical weapon... or fires a M855 round, containing Copper (Cu), Iron (Fe) and Carbon (C), all chemical elements then it is a chemical weapon....

When someone throws a rock, which contains many elements like Silicon (Si), Alumina (Al) etc, all chemical elements, then according to you it is a chemical weapon!

It gets sillier and sillier everyday!

You get sillier. All references to White Phosphorous call it a Chemical Weapon!

End of!

originally posted by: Hilux1996
All references to White Phosphorous call it a Chemical Weapon!

Did you even bother to read the source you gave?
As if you had read it you would have seen:

The convention defines a "toxic chemical" as a chemical "which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals" (CWC, II). An annex lists chemicals that fall under this definition and WP is not listed in the Schedules of chemical weapons or precursors.[94]

So again, it is NOT a chemical weapon...

a reply to: hellobruce


Blah blah blah blah!

It has been classed as a Chemical Weapon and banned for use on innocent people!

Israel uses it all the time on innocent Palestinians. That stuff chemically burns the skin. So that being the case it is a CHEMICAL WEAPON!

Apparently Israel also used a Toxic Gas in the shore enclaves of Gaza to poison the fleeing Palestinians. Anyone fortunate enough to avoid the massive bombing campaign of their kids was poisoned by more Chemical Weapons by Israeli Terrorists as they tried to escape.

Oh we all love Israel! NOT!! A Terrorist State created by Zionist Terrorists using Terrorism and supplied by the Terrorist US. Now when I say Terrorist US I mean the Government. Not the people. When I say Terrorist Israeli's I mean the Zionists and not the Jews.

You hellobruce may love the Zionist Terrorists and relish in their murder of innocent Men, Women and Children but I don't. You seem to like twisting words and terms to excuse Israeli Crimes against Humanity!

There is no excuse to bomb, maim and kill innocent men, women and children. NONE!!

The Israeli attack on the Palestinians is Genocidal Murder!!!

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Blah blah blah blah!

About the most intelligent thing you have said!

It has been classed as a Chemical Weapon and banned for use on innocent people!

Still wrong - try reading your own source, where it states WP is NOT a chemical weapon... nor is it banned.

Your own source, which you obviously did not read, proves you wrong again.

a reply to: Rosha

The IHR is not a reputable historical source. Filth like David Irving write for it in the fond delusion that they are 'historians.'

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: Rosha

The IHR is not a reputable historical source. Filth like David Irving write for it in the fond delusion that they are 'historians.'

Convenient isn't it, that anyone who has an opinion that differs from zionisms myopic view of the world is 'filth' now. How insane and ironic is the degree of contempt and disgust shown to people exploring alternative perspectives on history, yet a fully armed modern military force murdering babies in their sleep passes with a nonchalant ' it's their fault' and wave of the hand.

WP bombs dropping on babies heads?? Who gives a 'fk right?? Naaa...let just ignore that inhuman, internationally illegal indignity being metered out on innocent men women and children, murdering our humanity in the process, and let all just focus on semanticist BS ! Sure thing! *rolls eyes*

Interesting to note as well how many so called freedom lovers seem to forget the statement' I don't like what you say but I'd fight to the death for your right to say it' isn't it. That truism doesn't seem to extend beyond the three point five inches between most peoples ears to make it into living ethical practice either any more.

You will note that that link was ONE of several offered and even then only ONE very carefully read and selected article from that entire site was linked to - not a peep of or link to David Irving or his views at all. By your reasoning, should I then point to one or two authors of bat crazy threads here and so dismiss this entire site as a result?

I also offered many other sources and comparison links, are you saying they are all filth? That Brenner, Gideon Levy, Norman F, Chomsky etc etc etc plus the historically documented files that fill their reports and books are all filth and lies now too?

Aside from that site, and even on that site, go see for yourself! Don't rely on me or them or anyone outside your own brain. Go do the research and see for yourself the actual documents they link to..they DO exist in the record and more, on even the most simplistic and basic interpretation of them, they show clearly that a collaborative relationship existed between zionists and nazists during this time. THAT is what matters..that is what is important and that, is more than proven.

Whats-more, the result of ignoring that permissive and sickening foundation - one that imo, differentiates Judaism from political Zionism at core, is plain to see right here: LINK

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To those still tuning into this thread for wider perspective as opposed to trolling it, here is Dr Gilbert addressing a Gaza rally in Norway. I cannot express adequately how important this mans words are, to ALL of us. If you do watch, then watch all the way to end. LINK

Who's next?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
The IHR is not a reputable historical source. Filth like David Irving write for it in the fond delusion that they are 'historians.'

However it is not surprising people who have shown their hatred for Jews and Israel use it as they claim it is a valid source - because it agrees with them.

Your link to linkis.com... is full of the same "hate the Jews" lies, that website refuses to blame the real cause of this trouble, Hamas terrorists and their launching thousands of rockets at Israel over the years, and their stated claim of destroying Israel.... a fact you and them totally ignore!

Who was that article written by?

My name is Ahmad Chaker Jomaa, and I am the Head of Media for FOSIS this year

And FOSIS is the Federation of Student Islamic Societies....