Senate Democrats Propose Law to Force Christians to Pay for Abortion Drugs

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: spurgeonatorsrevenge

Ya, but YOU GUYS are the ones who claim to hate government.

And the point is ?

The flip side claims to hate government too because apparently they aren't giving the masses everything they want.

But still thanks for not answering the question.

The point is, conservatives say they hate the cake (government), but they always eat as much cake as the next guy, figuratively speaking.

The problem is, not only do they say they hate cake, they chastise other people for eating the cake even though they dive into the cake just like the rest of us.

It is the dirty big secret conservatives can't stand to admit. The problem for you guys is you will NEVER get the results you want, i.e Small Government if the politicians that represent you do not practice the ideology.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Blaine91555
What exactly is wrong with finding an accommodation that satisfies both sides? You see any politicians even suggesting that?

I wish we had the single payer system.

Me too then I would finally get something for free. Does this mean I would get better coverage and service than the VA gives?

I am not sure where you are, but here in KC, I honestly get, and have for the last 4 years, awesome service from the VA here.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: spurgeonatorsrevenge

originally posted by: xuenchen
Senate Democrats Propose Law to Force Christians to Pay for Abortion Drugs

In an obvious "sour grapes" knee-jerk hyper response to the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court decision last week, Democrats in the U.S. Senate are proposing yet another crusade against the 1st Amendment.

They display their true colors by demanding that abortion drugs be "forcibly paid for" by everybody if I read this correctly.

HHS has already discriminated by "allowing" non profit organizations to be exempt while forcing all others to be included but separated by religion.

The Supreme Court partly disagreed by "allowing" closely held companies to be exempted from at least the "contraceptives" listed by the FDA.

Very dangerous when we see the absolute mania displayed since last week.

Big can of worms.

I wonder how religious Democrats feel and how many will be "alienated" by this wild action ?

On Wednesday, Senate Democrats introduced a bill that would force Christians and other conscientious objectors to pay for drugs and devices, including the "week-after" pill, that may kill human embryos.

The new bill was drafted in response to Supreme Court's ruling last week that Obamacare's so-called contraceptive mandate as applied to family-owned religious businesses was a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The Democrats' legislation would strip away the religious freedom law's protections for Americans who provide health benefits to their employees.

The text of the bill states that an employer-sponsored health insurance plan shall not exclude coverage of any item or service "where the coverage of such item or service is required under any provision of Federal law or the regulations promulgated thereunder" and that the new law would "apply notwithstanding any other provision of Federal law, including Public Law 103–141 [the Religious Freedom Restoration Act]."

Senate Democrats Propose Law to Force Christians to Pay for Abortion Drugs

I am glad for this, I was forced to pay for the two trillion dollar wars that the Christian Right supported as they locked stepped with Bush. I guess they only care about killing when the person does not have a name.

We are making headway only 6 post this time instead of the usual 3 before the "Bush Defense" was used.

I fail to understand what your point is???

Allowing yourself to go deaf because the word Bush is mentioned does not show a great deal of independent thought on your behalf.

It is perfectly acceptable to examine what conservatives practiced before to see if you guys are being consistent today.

The fact is, conservatives are NOT being consistent which is why people bring up Bush so often. You guys are lead by the nose like farm animals really... Policies that the conservative machine sanctioned under Bush are all of a sudden the devil when they are done under Obama.

I am sorry the word Bush shut off your brain and you failed to see the point, which is, we all pay for policies we don't like.

I guess the Obama derangement syndrome has started eating the logic center of many.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: BubbaJoe

And while at the same time, you would starve them out once they were born, based on reading 1000's of your previous post. From what I remember, the elderly should starve and be denied healthcare as well, unless they can afford it. You uncompromising attitude is getting old, and driving people like me from the center to the left, hope you saved that last round in the clip, cause it could get worse.

Have anything other than hyperbole ?

Have you looked in the mirror today?

a reply to: spurgeonatorsrevenge

Feel free to quote anywhere about starving people to death.

And blah,blah blah.

Thanks for enabling.

a reply to: Battleline

When fascists (GOP and tea party) loose a fight they shut down government…
I would say that is worst than a tantrum.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Battleline

When fascists (GOP and tea party) loose a fight they shut down government…
I would say that is worst than a tantrum.

The fascist gop eh?

Who was it again who passed the ACA and the contraception mandating corporate pharmaceuticals-abortion pills ?

Forget what Mussolni said ?

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power" - Benito Mussolini

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Once again another awesome post from you, you don't want to provide birth control or abortion, but you also do not want to provide welfare or unemployment for poor or unemployed people

So what ?

I didn't take the whole EFFING country to raise.

You have expressed your disdain for social security and medicare many times on this board.

Considering that accounts for TRILLIONS in current federal spending that can't even pay for itself.

Yeah it has my utter contempt.

So WHAT ?

But then AGAIN what the hell does that have to do with the GD TOPIC ?

Which can be found here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Guess some people would rather discuss posters instead.

a reply to: spurgeonatorsrevenge

The point is, conservatives say they hate the cake (government), but they always eat as much cake as the next guy, figuratively speaking.

And that makes them different from the flip side of that coin

HOW ?

a reply to: neo96

That’s standard American capitalism. I wouldn’t call that fascism.

I was responding to someone saying socialist have tantrums and do things.

I would call shutting down government a fascist act...

When fascists (GOP and tea party) loose a fight they shut down government…
I would say that is worst than a tantrum

The ACA is the best the democrats could do with the GOP who didn’t want any national health care for the poor. I would have preferred a single payer Canada style myself

OBAMACARE SURPRISE! REPUBLICANS LOVE IT

REPORT: 20 Million Have Gained Insurance Under Obamacare... Uninsured Rate Plummets...

Republicans who signed up for Obamacare this year are liking their new insurance coverage, according to a new survey. A poll of Obamacare enrollees published Thursday by the Commonwealth Fund found that 74 percent of newly insured Republicans are happy with the plans they bought. Overall, 77 percent of people who had insurance prior to the rollout of the Affordable Care Act said they are pleased with the new coverage they obtained in the last year.

a reply to: Willtell

Hey ?

Forcing people to buy corporate products is FASCISM.

Need some examples ?

Homes,education,healthcare,contraception,Birth control, etc.

The only people who force us to buy their crap is GUESS WHO ?

That ain't that so called 'fascist' GOP.

That is the LEFT.

a reply to: neo96

If the ACA didn’t go through this capitalist system then they would be crying “SOCIALISM”

I imagine being forced to buy car insurance is fascism too.

Of course the GOP aversion to the ACA has little to do with them saying they are against fascism.

So your point is a bit myopic…

originally posted by: spurgeonatorsrevenge

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: spurgeonatorsrevenge

originally posted by: xuenchen
Senate Democrats Propose Law to Force Christians to Pay for Abortion Drugs

In an obvious "sour grapes" knee-jerk hyper response to the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court decision last week, Democrats in the U.S. Senate are proposing yet another crusade against the 1st Amendment.

They display their true colors by demanding that abortion drugs be "forcibly paid for" by everybody if I read this correctly.

HHS has already discriminated by "allowing" non profit organizations to be exempt while forcing all others to be included but separated by religion.

The Supreme Court partly disagreed by "allowing" closely held companies to be exempted from at least the "contraceptives" listed by the FDA.

Very dangerous when we see the absolute mania displayed since last week.

Big can of worms.

I wonder how religious Democrats feel and how many will be "alienated" by this wild action ?

On Wednesday, Senate Democrats introduced a bill that would force Christians and other conscientious objectors to pay for drugs and devices, including the "week-after" pill, that may kill human embryos.

The new bill was drafted in response to Supreme Court's ruling last week that Obamacare's so-called contraceptive mandate as applied to family-owned religious businesses was a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The Democrats' legislation would strip away the religious freedom law's protections for Americans who provide health benefits to their employees.

The text of the bill states that an employer-sponsored health insurance plan shall not exclude coverage of any item or service "where the coverage of such item or service is required under any provision of Federal law or the regulations promulgated thereunder" and that the new law would "apply notwithstanding any other provision of Federal law, including Public Law 103–141 [the Religious Freedom Restoration Act]."

Senate Democrats Propose Law to Force Christians to Pay for Abortion Drugs

I am glad for this, I was forced to pay for the two trillion dollar wars that the Christian Right supported as they locked stepped with Bush. I guess they only care about killing when the person does not have a name.

We are making headway only 6 post this time instead of the usual 3 before the "Bush Defense" was used.

I fail to understand what your point is???

Allowing yourself to go deaf because the word Bush is mentioned does not show a great deal of independent thought on your behalf.

It is perfectly acceptable to examine what conservatives practiced before to see if you guys are being consistent today.

The fact is, conservatives are NOT being consistent which is why people bring up Bush so often. You guys are lead by the nose like farm animals really... Policies that the conservative machine sanctioned under Bush are all of a sudden the devil when they are done under Obama.

I am sorry the word Bush shut off your brain and you failed to see the point, which is, we all pay for policies we don't like.

I guess the Obama derangement syndrome has started eating the logic center of many.

Wow nobody has ever called me a farm animal before.

Just how far back would you feel is appropriate? Why stop with Bush? At what point do you feel Mr. Obama should take responsibility as the POTUS? Do you feel he isn't accountable for anything that has happened during his tenure? Maybe you think he has worked hard to fix all of the problems created by Bush policies.

Or is since my brain is shut off I am not capable of understanding such complicated issues, and I would do better with your guidance and forthcoming? Please feel free to enlighten this old man with your worldly wisdom and maturity.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Blaine91555
What exactly is wrong with finding an accommodation that satisfies both sides? You see any politicians even suggesting that?

I wish we had the single payer system.

Me too then I would finally get something for free. Does this mean I would get better coverage and service than the VA gives?

I am not sure where you are, but here in KC, I honestly get, and have for the last 4 years, awesome service from the VA here.

I am very glad to hear someone is getting good service from them, their scandal has fallen off of the radar with all the newer ones as of late. It amazes me they can send notice for an appointment for someone who died two years ago.
Seriously I am glad they are taking care of you, and thanks for your service.

a reply to: Willtell

If the ACA didn’t go through this capitalist system then they would be crying “SOCIALISM”

As the good book WIKI says:

Fascism /fæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism.

The left is the antithesis of what liberalism use to mean.

They clearly oppose traditional conservatism.

Fascists sought to unify their nation through an authoritarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community[

Community organizer !!!!!!

Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader,

Better living through government.

As some misguided souls think it is the government's job to provide for the materialistic wants of the masses.

Fascist ideology consistently invokes the primacy of the state

Yeah primacy of the state the left has got that down pat.

Fascism draws from pretty much every political ideology there is as a means to an end.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: xuenchen

How can you say this may apply to Hobby Lobby? Did you miss these four words from your link?

non-profit religious organization

This may come as a shock to you but HL is NOT a non profit religious organization. Seeing how the owner has become a billionaire from his business they seem to be profiting very well.

The Supreme Court ruling eludes to that....

read the "Held:" parts. It's fairly clear.

Hobby Lobby Hobby Lobby Hobby Lobby

originally posted by: buster2010
Closely held and non profit is two totally different things.

quoting the SCOTUS..... pages 5 - 6

(2) The Government has failed to satisfy RFRA’s leastrestrictive-means standard. HHS has not shown that it lacks other means of achieving its desired goal without imposing a substantialburden on the exercise of religion. The Government could, e.g., assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives to women unable to obtain coverage due to their employers’ religious objections.


Or it could extend the accommodation that HHS has already establishedfor religious nonprofit organizations to non-profit employers with religious objections to the contraceptive mandate. That accommodation does not impinge on the plaintiffs’ religious beliefs that providing insurance coverage for the contraceptives at issue here violates their religion and it still serves HHS’s stated interests. Pp. 40–45.


(3) This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance-coverage mandates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs. Nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discriminationas a religious practice. United States v. Lee, 455 U. S. 252, which upheld the payment of Social Security taxes despite an employer’s religious objection, is not analogous. It turned primarily on the special problems associated with a national system of taxation; and if Lee were a RFRA case, the fundamental point would still be that there isno less restrictive alternative to the categorical requirement to pay taxes. Here, there is an alternative to the contraceptive mandate.Pp. 45–49.

No. 13–354, 723 F. 3d 1114, affirmed; No. 13–356, 724 F. 3d 377, reversed and remanded.

This is very clear.

a reply to: neo96

I think I have an idea what fascism is. It stands to reason that any form of government or all of them often have things in common, that doesn’t mean, for example, just because the US system and communist systems do similar things( such as have social security systems) doesn’t mean we are communist or they are capitalist.

a reply to: Willtell

REPORT: 20 Million Have Gained Insurance Under Obamacare... Uninsured Rate Plummets...

Yes.

From 50 million down to only 30 million uninsured now.

Even with the 20 million questionable.

a reply to: Willtell

I think I have an idea what fascism is.

Apparently not.

See the topic.

Senate Democrats use GOVERNMENT authoritarianism to force corporate products on business owners.

Remember this guy:

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power" - Benito Mussolini