Perhaps I’m expecting too much of the U.S. education system? Perhaps this is just an anomaly; a statistical blip? But then, like the endless deluge of snow that is currently choking the East Coast, another outcome of the same poll appeared on the foggy horizon of scientific illiteracy: The majority of young Americans think astrology is a science
If you are unable to see that trains are not the only thing where that idea applies, it's probably pointless to attempt to illuminate your viewpoint further.
reply to post by Arbitrageur
We aren't talking about trains now are we.
reply to post by Grimpachi
there are some here that think that way, i have seen them
But is not their fault, viking propaganda was powerful
reply to post by ChesterJohn
The point of the train analogy is that you don't need to be outside the train to determine the velocity of the train. Do you understand this or not?
The train wobbles but the effect on the velocity of the train is not significant.
The wobbles of the Earth are known far better than the wobbles of the train and are described here:
It's also noteworthy that some of these very wobbles are explainable with a heliocentric model, and not explainable with the geocentric model.
The bigger problem is, how could the sun with 333,000 times the mass of the Earth orbit the Earth? It's well observed that less massive objects orbit more massive objects (for example, all the small moons orbiting Jupiter). We have many observations to support this (including the orbits of the Stereo spacecraft which are impossible to explain in a geocentric model) and to suggest that this wouldn't also apply to the Earth and the sun is to claim some kind of miracle against the observed laws of nature.edit on 19-2-2014 by Arbitrageur because: clarification
America is becoming a stupid country. Just watch our reality shows...we suck at science and math but... we're really good at children's beauty pageants, hunting alligators, chopping down trees, buying the contents of storage lockers, hunting ducks, petty arguments with family members and close friends, sun tanning, drinking and making over bars and restaurants so that we can continue to drink more and become more obese, dredging for gold, fishing, crabbing, living in Alaska and shooting guns. I guess we are good at some things! lol
You're completely ignoring the points I made, like the STEREO spacecraft. Both models don't work. You can't explain the orbits of the STEREO spacecraft using the geocentric model, but if you'd like to try I'm sure it would be entertaining.
Both models work. The heliocentric design has all planets including earth moving around the Sun. Geocentric has all the planets except for earth moving around the sun, and that heliocentric system as one moving around the earth.
STEREO consists of two space-based observatories - one ahead of Earth in its orbit, the other trailing behind.
I was taught that myth as if it was fact, and maybe you were too. Try to unlearn it.
Now I recently read that it was first discovered that there were moons that circled Jupiter in like 1600. Imagine if that fact was discovered in 1400 instead of 1600 before Columbus sailed to the new world. Would that have been proof enough to the people of the medieval times that the earth was in fact not flat, but round?
The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.
During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent