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sk0rpi0n
TV is just one aspect of the medias mass hypnosis. Growing up/living in a society that has already been brainwashed by the media...can also leave one with the same effect.
ik9zeroE
At the very root and core of cannibalism is sexual immorality. Perversion and depravity.
AfterInfinity
reply to post by ik9zeroE
Oh, now this list explains your thread on psychiatry being the antichristedit on 15-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
FlyersFan
ik9zeroE
At the very root and core of cannibalism is sexual immorality. Perversion and depravity.
I would think at the very root and core of cannibalism is hunger.
Perhaps a psychological need to totally dominate an enemy by eating him and absorbing him.
FlyersFan
sk0rpi0n
TV is just one aspect of the medias mass hypnosis. Growing up/living in a society that has already been brainwashed by the media...can also leave one with the same effect.
Religion is just one aspect of mass hypnosis upon humanity. Growing up/living in a society that has already been brainwashed by religious leaders ... can also leave one with the same effect.
A bunch of what you call 'moral values' isn't all that moral.
Some of it deserves to be collapsing and disappearing.
Religions brainwash people. They use guilt. They use threats of hellfire. They claim to be a connection between God and man, and yet they provide ZERO PROOF that they actually are. In fact, most of what they spew can be debunked.
If a person is going to complain about the media and say it's guilty of social programming and the collapse of 'moral values' ... then it would be hypocritical not to acknowledge that religions have been guilty of the exact same thing. That some of the so called 'moral values' are devoid of negative on humanity.
Organized religions idea of 'moral values' ... put to death homosexuals for being born that way ... devalue women and brainwash them into being subservient to men ... lie and tell people falsehoods in history in order to bolster their claims about being a conduit between God and man (Noahs Ark, Exodus, Abraham, Muhammads 'revelations', Joseph Smiths 'revelations', etc) ... and some say 'go out and kill those who don't believe like we do' ...
You can't point your finger at the media and say it's 'collapsing values' without also pointing your finger at organized religions and admitting that some of their 'moral values' aren't really moral and those so called 'values' deserve to die.
The Church gave me shelter, food, a shower and community. The volunteers of the Church are the most amazing people I have ever known. They're GREAT, and they belong to God.
ik9zeroE
AfterInfinity
reply to post by ik9zeroE
Oh, now this list explains your thread on psychiatry being the antichristedit on 15-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
My flawlessly accurate list?
AfterInfinity
ik9zeroE
AfterInfinity
reply to post by ik9zeroE
Oh, now this list explains your thread on psychiatry being the antichristedit on 15-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
My flawlessly accurate list?
...No. Here's my thought on that list:
Kudos to Klassified for this one.edit on 15-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by ik9zeroE
The Church gave me shelter, food, a shower and community. The volunteers of the Church are the most amazing people I have ever known. They're GREAT, and they belong to God.
All that is great However it in no way lends credence to the existence of biblical god.
I brought up preying on the weak and cannibalism as ''natural acts'', because you were claiming that homosexuality is normal because other species do it.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
The countries Harris mentioned are the way they are because they inherited their morality from historical Church influence.
Christianity owns morality. It's theirs and the heathens are merely borrowing it. We hear this a lot. It's asinine.
Do you believe morality existed prior to Christ? Prior to Judaism?edit on 15-2-2014 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
Lucid Lunacy
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
ik9zeroE
AfterInfinity
ik9zeroE
AfterInfinity
reply to post by ik9zeroE
Oh, now this list explains your thread on psychiatry being the antichristedit on 15-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
My flawlessly accurate list?
...No. Here's my thought on that list:
Kudos to Klassified for this one.edit on 15-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Where are all the mature adults?
Very, very serious question.
racasan
EnPassant
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
But there is more to it than this. The moral fibre of the world depends on the spiritual substance of the world. If mankind loses its spirituality this moral inheritance will evaporate.
Great but that's speculative. No evidence for any of that.
No evidence of your biblical god nor his morality.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Raptor Jesus also disagree with you. They believe in secular humanism. They created the World they would know. Prove that wrong.
Avoid Harris, he, like Dawkins, is simplistic to the point of embarrassment.
Thanks for the suggestion but no thanks. My experience has shown me otherwise. Instead I will enjoy the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Dennett, Dan Barker,Lawrence Krauss. Their debates and their books.
At the time of Christ the Roman Empire ruled. What kind of world do you think we would have today if this empire had been allowed to continue? Do you think, without the Church's influence, it would have suddenly become moral or would its darkness have continued to the present day? If it did Europe today might be in complete darkness. An Orwellian prison.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
the Church - right
KNOW YOUR POPES - enjoy
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EnPassant
racasan
EnPassant
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
But there is more to it than this. The moral fibre of the world depends on the spiritual substance of the world. If mankind loses its spirituality this moral inheritance will evaporate.
Great but that's speculative. No evidence for any of that.
No evidence of your biblical god nor his morality.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Raptor Jesus also disagree with you. They believe in secular humanism. They created the World they would know. Prove that wrong.
Avoid Harris, he, like Dawkins, is simplistic to the point of embarrassment.
Thanks for the suggestion but no thanks. My experience has shown me otherwise. Instead I will enjoy the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Dennett, Dan Barker,Lawrence Krauss. Their debates and their books.
At the time of Christ the Roman Empire ruled. What kind of world do you think we would have today if this empire had been allowed to continue? Do you think, without the Church's influence, it would have suddenly become moral or would its darkness have continued to the present day? If it did Europe today might be in complete darkness. An Orwellian prison.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
the Church - right
KNOW YOUR POPES - enjoy
www.facebook.com...
Yes, there have been evil popes. So what? There have been evil non religious as well, Stalin, Hussein, Hitler (nominal religious). Evil has sometimes entered the Church. It is a pity but that does not make the Church evil. It makes it imperfect. There used to be Communist spies in the U.S. Does that make the U.S. Communist?
AfterInfinity
EnPassant
racasan
EnPassant
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
But there is more to it than this. The moral fibre of the world depends on the spiritual substance of the world. If mankind loses its spirituality this moral inheritance will evaporate.
Great but that's speculative. No evidence for any of that.
No evidence of your biblical god nor his morality.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Raptor Jesus also disagree with you. They believe in secular humanism. They created the World they would know. Prove that wrong.
Avoid Harris, he, like Dawkins, is simplistic to the point of embarrassment.
Thanks for the suggestion but no thanks. My experience has shown me otherwise. Instead I will enjoy the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Dennett, Dan Barker,Lawrence Krauss. Their debates and their books.
At the time of Christ the Roman Empire ruled. What kind of world do you think we would have today if this empire had been allowed to continue? Do you think, without the Church's influence, it would have suddenly become moral or would its darkness have continued to the present day? If it did Europe today might be in complete darkness. An Orwellian prison.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
the Church - right
KNOW YOUR POPES - enjoy
www.facebook.com...
Yes, there have been evil popes. So what? There have been evil non religious as well, Stalin, Hussein, Hitler (nominal religious). Evil has sometimes entered the Church. It is a pity but that does not make the Church evil. It makes it imperfect. There used to be Communist spies in the U.S. Does that make the U.S. Communist?
Then by that argument, there are many other institutions just as adequately equipped to handle the responsibilities you place on the church. None are any less perfect than the church - that is to say, the church is as guilty as any of them.
EnPassant
AfterInfinity
EnPassant
racasan
EnPassant
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
But there is more to it than this. The moral fibre of the world depends on the spiritual substance of the world. If mankind loses its spirituality this moral inheritance will evaporate.
Great but that's speculative. No evidence for any of that.
No evidence of your biblical god nor his morality.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Raptor Jesus also disagree with you. They believe in secular humanism. They created the World they would know. Prove that wrong.
Avoid Harris, he, like Dawkins, is simplistic to the point of embarrassment.
Thanks for the suggestion but no thanks. My experience has shown me otherwise. Instead I will enjoy the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Dennett, Dan Barker,Lawrence Krauss. Their debates and their books.
At the time of Christ the Roman Empire ruled. What kind of world do you think we would have today if this empire had been allowed to continue? Do you think, without the Church's influence, it would have suddenly become moral or would its darkness have continued to the present day? If it did Europe today might be in complete darkness. An Orwellian prison.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
the Church - right
KNOW YOUR POPES - enjoy
www.facebook.com...
Yes, there have been evil popes. So what? There have been evil non religious as well, Stalin, Hussein, Hitler (nominal religious). Evil has sometimes entered the Church. It is a pity but that does not make the Church evil. It makes it imperfect. There used to be Communist spies in the U.S. Does that make the U.S. Communist?
Then by that argument, there are many other institutions just as adequately equipped to handle the responsibilities you place on the church. None are any less perfect than the church - that is to say, the church is as guilty as any of them.
I only used the Church as one example. There are many other examples I could have used, as sources of morality. If mankind is not spiritual it will not be moral. It will be overcome by evil. Humanism cannot overcome evil because evil is a spiritual reality.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
AfterInfinity
EnPassant
AfterInfinity
EnPassant
racasan
EnPassant
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
But there is more to it than this. The moral fibre of the world depends on the spiritual substance of the world. If mankind loses its spirituality this moral inheritance will evaporate.
Great but that's speculative. No evidence for any of that.
No evidence of your biblical god nor his morality.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Raptor Jesus also disagree with you. They believe in secular humanism. They created the World they would know. Prove that wrong.
Avoid Harris, he, like Dawkins, is simplistic to the point of embarrassment.
Thanks for the suggestion but no thanks. My experience has shown me otherwise. Instead I will enjoy the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Dennett, Dan Barker,Lawrence Krauss. Their debates and their books.
At the time of Christ the Roman Empire ruled. What kind of world do you think we would have today if this empire had been allowed to continue? Do you think, without the Church's influence, it would have suddenly become moral or would its darkness have continued to the present day? If it did Europe today might be in complete darkness. An Orwellian prison.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
the Church - right
KNOW YOUR POPES - enjoy
www.facebook.com...
Yes, there have been evil popes. So what? There have been evil non religious as well, Stalin, Hussein, Hitler (nominal religious). Evil has sometimes entered the Church. It is a pity but that does not make the Church evil. It makes it imperfect. There used to be Communist spies in the U.S. Does that make the U.S. Communist?
Then by that argument, there are many other institutions just as adequately equipped to handle the responsibilities you place on the church. None are any less perfect than the church - that is to say, the church is as guilty as any of them.
I only used the Church as one example. There are many other examples I could have used, as sources of morality. If mankind is not spiritual it will not be moral. It will be overcome by evil. Humanism cannot overcome evil because evil is a spiritual reality.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
We just had this discussion. You have been provided with examples of nonspiritual societies that functioned just as well as, if not better than, a spiritual society.
EnPassant
AfterInfinity
EnPassant
AfterInfinity
EnPassant
racasan
EnPassant
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
You said a society without religion would fall apart. I showed societies that are primarily non-religous that are not only not falling apart but are doing better than societies that are primarily religious. You say that is "amateurish". Whatever logic helps you sleep at night.
But there is more to it than this. The moral fibre of the world depends on the spiritual substance of the world. If mankind loses its spirituality this moral inheritance will evaporate.
Great but that's speculative. No evidence for any of that.
No evidence of your biblical god nor his morality.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Raptor Jesus also disagree with you. They believe in secular humanism. They created the World they would know. Prove that wrong.
Avoid Harris, he, like Dawkins, is simplistic to the point of embarrassment.
Thanks for the suggestion but no thanks. My experience has shown me otherwise. Instead I will enjoy the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Dennett, Dan Barker,Lawrence Krauss. Their debates and their books.
At the time of Christ the Roman Empire ruled. What kind of world do you think we would have today if this empire had been allowed to continue? Do you think, without the Church's influence, it would have suddenly become moral or would its darkness have continued to the present day? If it did Europe today might be in complete darkness. An Orwellian prison.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
the Church - right
KNOW YOUR POPES - enjoy
www.facebook.com...
Yes, there have been evil popes. So what? There have been evil non religious as well, Stalin, Hussein, Hitler (nominal religious). Evil has sometimes entered the Church. It is a pity but that does not make the Church evil. It makes it imperfect. There used to be Communist spies in the U.S. Does that make the U.S. Communist?
Then by that argument, there are many other institutions just as adequately equipped to handle the responsibilities you place on the church. None are any less perfect than the church - that is to say, the church is as guilty as any of them.
I only used the Church as one example. There are many other examples I could have used, as sources of morality. If mankind is not spiritual it will not be moral. It will be overcome by evil. Humanism cannot overcome evil because evil is a spiritual reality.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
We just had this discussion. You have been provided with examples of nonspiritual societies that functioned just as well as, if not better than, a spiritual society.
If you are talking about the societies mentioned in the quote from Sam Harris, no, these are not nonspiritual. They have a rich inheritance from Christianity. Consider North Korea instead, where religion is suppressed.edit on 15-2-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)