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AfterInfinityAnd who should do the telling?
EnPassant
AfterInfinityAnd who should do the telling?
This has been the role of the Church for a long time. And the Church is often criticized for being 'authorative' and overbearing. I would not be so hard on the Church. Priest are not stupid. They have always known that people need leadership and without it the bonds in society would become undone. Maybe sometimes some of them have been overzealous but which is worse; sterness and moral cohesion or moral bankruptcy? We will see...
Krazysh0t
EnPassant
AfterInfinityAnd who should do the telling?
This has been the role of the Church for a long time. And the Church is often criticized for being 'authorative' and overbearing. I would not be so hard on the Church. Priest are not stupid. They have always known that people need leadership and without it the bonds in society would become undone. Maybe sometimes some of them have been overzealous but which is worse; sterness and moral cohesion or moral bankruptcy? We will see...
Moral cohesion and moral bankruptcy aren't opposites of each other. Just because a society's morals aren't cohesive doesn't mean their they are morally bankrupt. To be morally bankrupt means they hold no morals at all. Therefore your choice between the two is silly, there are more options than your simple either/or option. Again you are sticking with the duality thing again. For the second time, the universe doesn't work in either/or's. Because of this, you shouldn't be presenting answers to philosophical arguments with two possibilities. You need to recognize that there is more than 2 answers to any given problem.
EnPassant
Krazysh0t
EnPassant
AfterInfinityAnd who should do the telling?
This has been the role of the Church for a long time. And the Church is often criticized for being 'authorative' and overbearing. I would not be so hard on the Church. Priest are not stupid. They have always known that people need leadership and without it the bonds in society would become undone. Maybe sometimes some of them have been overzealous but which is worse; sterness and moral cohesion or moral bankruptcy? We will see...
Moral cohesion and moral bankruptcy aren't opposites of each other. Just because a society's morals aren't cohesive doesn't mean their they are morally bankrupt. To be morally bankrupt means they hold no morals at all. Therefore your choice between the two is silly, there are more options than your simple either/or option. Again you are sticking with the duality thing again. For the second time, the universe doesn't work in either/or's. Because of this, you shouldn't be presenting answers to philosophical arguments with two possibilities. You need to recognize that there is more than 2 answers to any given problem.
I get your point but sometimes there are only two answers; if there is a war very often one side will win. Humanists are considered to be naive because they think that human lights alone will suffice. I don't think that humanism will work because it does not recognize that the true source of the world is spiritual. It is possible for this world to be completely ruled by evil. I don't believe that this will happen but, in principle, it can happen. That would be a fairly one sided situation. Some things can be black or white.
Krazysh0t
Prove its existence then you have an argument in that regard. Heck let's go over your head. "Hey God, please prove your existence to the participants of this thread so we can get a clear idea of what is morally just and what isn't. If no answer, I will assume you either do not care what humans think is morally just or just don't exist. Thank you, Krazysh0t."
Ok let's wait for an answer.
This has been the role of the Church for a long time. And the Church is often criticized for being 'authorative' and overbearing.
I would not be so hard on the Church. Priest are not stupid. They have always known that people need leadership and without it the bonds in society would become undone.
Maybe sometimes some of them have been overzealous but which is worse; sterness and moral cohesion or moral bankruptcy? We will see...
Nothing is ever just black and white.
ElohimJD
Krazysh0t
Prove its existence then you have an argument in that regard. Heck let's go over your head. "Hey God, please prove your existence to the participants of this thread so we can get a clear idea of what is morally just and what isn't. If no answer, I will assume you either do not care what humans think is morally just or just don't exist. Thank you, Krazysh0t."
Ok let's wait for an answer.
Through the events about to transpire over the Earth, God is about to do exactly as you requested, not because you so arrogantly presented such a challenge to Almighty God; but because it is that time in our history and His plan for us. You do not have to wait long in terms of time; when the global economic system collapses (1st trumpet) you will know the time has begun.
God gave mankind this present age to define for themselves what is right and what is wrong; time has run out for man's "morals".
God Bless,
EnPassant
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Ok, if you want to take it to these extremes I tend to agree but there can be tipping points beyond which there is no return; a tight rope walker loses his balance. If he falls beyond the point of no return he goes all the way but before that point he may regain balance. This is similar to the position of the world today.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by DeadSeraph
Count me among those that celebrate the
An old saying comes to mind "Be careful what you wish for...you might just get it"edit on 14-2-2014 by SophieTish because: ****
This has been the role of the Church for a long time. And the Church is often criticized for being 'authorative' and overbearing. I would not be so hard on the Church. Priest are not stupid. They have always known that people need leadership and without it the bonds in society would become undone.
The level of atheism throughout the rest of the developed world refutes any argument that religion is somehow a moral necessity. Countries like Norway, Iceland, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark and the United Kingdom are among the least religious societies on Earth. According to the United Nations’ Human Development Report (2005) they are also the healthiest, as indicated by measures of life expectancy, adult literacy, per capita income, educational attainment, gender equality, homicide rate and infant mortality. Conversely, the 50 nations now ranked lowest in terms of human development are unwaveringly religious. Other analyses paint the same picture: The United States is unique among wealthy democracies in its level of religious literalism and opposition to evolutionary theory; it is also uniquely beleaguered by high rates of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy, STD infection and infant mortality. -Sam Harris
An old saying comes to mind "Be careful what you wish for...you might just get it"
I don't think that humanism will work because it does not recognize that the true source of the world is spiritual.
God is about to do exactly as you requested, not because you so arrogantly presented such a challenge to Almighty God; but because it is that time in our history and His plan for us. You do not have to wait long in terms of time;
^ This statement perfectly echoes an earlier point of mine.... About the media having sold people certain strange new ideas, all candy coated in fluffy jargon, buzzwords like ''reason'' included. The use of such words is like McDonalds using the word ''tasty''. Its nothing more than a hollow positioning statement, with no valid truth to it. _________________________________________and TV is just one aspect of the whole thing. Even if you don't watch TV, the society you live in also shapes your perceptions... And most of them also think in the same way.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf.... Lol. I find it hysterical that religious people find reason and morality to be "brainwashing".
I didn't need TV to tell me that treating people with respect was the right thing to do. In fact, I do not even own a TV. Nor have I in years......
You didn't ''discover'' anything. You were programmed into thinking that homosexuality is normal...because such ideas never existed a few decades ago. It had to first be introduced as an acceptable way of life. The idea that it is normal was implanted. The media has done a thorough job of shaping your (and most peoples) perceptions. A high ranking politician even admitted that the media has played a role in changing peoples perceptions.
I discovered that:
1. Gay people really aren't any different than straight people. Far from being twisted sick degenerates, they actually made better friends than my former xian ones.
You were programmed into thinking that homosexuality is normal…because such ideas never existed a few decades ago. It had to first be introduced as an acceptable way of life. The idea that it is normal was implanted.
The media has done a thorough job of shaping your (and most peoples) perceptions