Arrested Because He Joked About Mandela

reply to post by kingears


I'm thinking this has less to do with freedom of speech per se, at least for people equally and more to do with the freedom of speech according to politically correct progressive liberals and there agenda.

These people can't peruse there agenda of control if people keep outing them for what they are...even if there joking about it.

'My PC takes so long to shut down I’ve decided to call it Nelson Mandela.'




Black humour at its finest.


Arrest me.

Metallicus
Didn't this occur in England?

England doesn't have the Bill of Rights or 1st amendment protection. Not that it means much in the US anymore either, but I assume they have different standards of 'free speech' in England and Europe.

Well wel have the EU charter of Human rights that basicaly says the same thing as the 1st Amendment.

If the guy in question wanted to he could probbaly take it up with the EU court of human rights and most likley win.

Thats the diffrence in the UK between the Minority hate speakers and white hate speakers, the Minority hate speakers are smart enough to hire a lawyer and go to the EU court of human rights.

Having read the article the following can be stated:

WBC Please go to South Africa to protest, we like that and would highly encourage such. Les all pitch in for their air fare so they can protest the funeral of Nelson Mandella. We wll be behind you 1000 percent in this aspect. I am sure that the police will have nice accomidations for you, and just ignore the lynch mob that will show up for you.

The reality is that, before this Mandella was a touchy subject, so highly revered by the population, that even journalist there to report on the man were under the threat of imprisonment or physical violence by the local population. Right now if you look at the way the man is revered, it does make sense, and South Africa does not have such liberal freedom of Speech policy.

reply to post by mOjOm


America or UK does it matter?

This is a INTERNATIONAL site.

And both countrys do have "supposedly" freedom of speach. Britain has it in common law and also by the EU charter of human rights.

So the issue does affect us in the UK.

reply to post by Helious


O look a silly yanky doodle trying to turn this into a gun debate.....how original.

It happened in the UK... how freaking predictable.
Crap like this happens ALL the time in the UK.

brb posting this joke on every socialmedia I can find

Haven't been on ATS in a while, mostly been lurking, but I just had to comment on this.

First, I think people are missing the main issue here. This is the result of one government official seeing the joke and sicking the British police on this man. This is one seemingly powerful guy using public resources to punish someone he has a beef with.

Second, the reason this government official has a beef with this guy really has nothing to do with the Mandela joke. It has to do with some kind of dispute in a town over mining memorial. Read the entire article the OP to understand more about this (you can always tell that most people don't even bother reading the entire source article and form opinions based on snippets).

Third, the laws regarding speech in Britain are much different from our own. A person can be arrested simply for hurling insults if someone, anyone, is offended by them. It was only somewhat recently made clear that the charges would only stick if the target of the insults could be directly identified, which in this case, it's pretty obvious whom this man was targeting with his joke. Source

Obviously, an injustice is being committed here, but it's the result of a personal vendetta ultimately having to do with another issue entirely.

crazyewok
reply to post by mOjOm

 

America or UK does it matter?

I think it matters when a user says "What is happening to America" (paraphrasing) when the article has to do with the UK.

reply to post by kingears


This is not a joke.

Metallicus
Didn't this occur in England?

England doesn't have the Bill of Rights or 1st amendment protection. Not that it means much in the US anymore either, but I assume they have different standards of 'free speech' in England and Europe.

Britain has the 1986 Public Disorder Act:

5 Harassment, alarm or distress.
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

www.legislation.gov.uk...

So technically, a joke in bad taste could see you up in front the beak.
Or even a toy gun that shoots out a flag saying >
Though those are probably illegal to own for being lookalike weapons.

reply to post by stormcell


That's so dumb.

But if the Brit's are okay with it then they deserve what they get.

Swills
reply to post by stormcell

 

That's so dumb.

But if the Brit's are okay with it then they deserve what they get.

Like the USA is any better? You have your own thought police. Your TV censorship is beyond a joke, makes the UK look like a place were anything goes. 1st Amendment? Well its just a rag of paper written by MEN and it seems the USA has been ignoreing it as such for a long long time. Same problem just in a diffrent form.

crazyewok
reply to post by Helious

 

O look a silly yanky doodle trying to turn this into a gun debate.....how original.

I don't know what planet you live on.... Maybe one with Ewoks but down here on Earth, people solve the worst problems with guns.

Guess who has a lot of guns? Your government, doesn't matter where you live, they have them and lots of them. Guess what happens when your government has all the guns and you don't have any? Well, may be a stretch for you, maybe you think it will just be tea time and everybody just puts their heads together to work out a rational solution?

Whatever the case or regardless of what you may think, when the Untied States was formed, it was guns that won our independence from an authoritarian British Monarchy, not new age, misplaced ideals. Guns, that's how some of the greatest patriots the world has ever known birthed one of the greatest pieces of guaranteed freedom and one of the most powerful nations on Earth. With, wait for it....... Guns.

But yeah, hey, I mean, we are all over that nonsense now right? I mean, humanity has evolved so much, it's not like people still kill people for religion, it's not like we drone strike people with collateral damage being women and children, it's not like countries threaten each other every day with violence and war right? I mean, what do guns really solve anyway? I mean, only ALL of the disputes between every country on Earth right? Pfffffff, guns, who needs em.

Get real my brother, your values and perceived ideas about what humanity SHOULD be will only serve you to one end and that is with you on your knees. Humanity, sadly, is just not there yet.

So it was okay for our current PM as part of the young conservatives, to wear a hang Mandela badge, but we can't joke about him now he's dead? lol.

Mandela was far from a saint, and the legacy he left with the ANC is hardly anything to be proud of either, ask any South African how they feel about the borderline genocide happening there these days. The whole free Mandela movement was nothing but pop culture driven post-nazi white guilt porn IMO.

While I agree he never directly did anything to warrant being in prison that long, he also never did anything to warrant this Dali Lama like reverence afforded him, let alone to the point of being arrested for joking about his death. Nobody was being being arrested for making Princess Diana jokes, or the death of any other figure loved by the public, that just makes this doubly ridiculous.

reply to post by Helious


What a bunch of chest beating Rar Rar yanky doodle BS.

Helious
Guess who has a lot of guns? Your government, doesn't matter where you live, they have them and lots of them.

Erm not as many as yours,I mean £800 Billion doller militart budget anyone? Not no mention god knows how much spent on your militised police, airport rape sqauds and last but not least the NSA/CIA/DIA ?

Helious
Guess what happens when your government has all the guns and you don't have any?

I dunno the same that still happening to the USA right now gun or not?

Helious
Whatever the case or regardless of what you may think, when the Untied States was formed, it was guns that won our independence from an authoritarian British Monarchy,

Guns and ammo supplied by the french

Helious
one of the greatest pieces of guaranteed freedom and one of the most powerful nations on Earth. With, wait for it....... Guns.

Garenteed? Your kidding right? The last 13 years doesnt seem very garenteed at all. Infact your goverment seems to be ignoreing the constitution more than our goverment ignores its own laws. The constitution is like any other bill, charter or law, just a rag of paper with words on unless the goverment ether chooses to follow it or the people have the will to stand up for it and the USA seems to have neither.

Couple of other points:
1) What the hell does this thread have to do about guns?
2) Right to bear arms or not it never seems to matter with revolutions anyway. Its the will of the people, it the people have the will guns will always turn up. Look at any revolution through out history up to now, even the most tyranical reguime cant control guns, as soon as the people rise up someone somewere will make sure the illegal guns flow into the country to get to the rebels, be it orgnsied crime wanting to make a quick buck or a country with a grudge against the main goverment the rebels are fighting (Ala how the french supplied the American rebels in 1776). Infact legal guns are probbably the most uselss as they are the first to get confiscated. Its the illgeal ones that matter in a upriseing.

Helious

crazyewok
reply to post by Helious

 

O look a silly yanky doodle trying to turn this into a gun debate.....how original.

I don't know what planet you live on.... Maybe one with Ewoks but down here on Earth, people solve the worst problems with guns.

Guess who has a lot of guns? Your government, doesn't matter where you live, they have them and lots of them. Guess what happens when your government has all the guns and you don't have any? Well, may be a stretch for you, maybe you think it will just be tea time and everybody just puts their heads together to work out a rational solution?

Whatever the case or regardless of what you may think, when the Untied States was formed, it was guns that won our independence from an authoritarian British Monarchy, not new age, misplaced ideals. Guns, that's how some of the greatest patriots the world has ever known birthed one of the greatest pieces of guaranteed freedom and one of the most powerful nations on Earth. With, wait for it....... Guns.

But yeah, hey, I mean, we are all over that nonsense now right? I mean, humanity has evolved so much, it's not like people still kill people for religion, it's not like we drone strike people with collateral damage being women and children, it's not like countries threaten each other every day with violence and war right? I mean, what do guns really solve anyway? I mean, only ALL of the disputes between every country on Earth right? Pfffffff, guns, who needs em.

Get real my brother, your values and perceived ideas about what humanity SHOULD be will only serve you to one end and that is with you on your knees. Humanity, sadly, is just not there yet.

edit on 10-12-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)

Helious, careful watch you are saying there bud, you might wanna check the history books.

Few years back a small frail old man started a peace movement that removed one the most powerful countries from his own country..... Mr Ghandhi was his name i think.... no guns...

And on the point of how America was formed from the evil clutches of the oppressors the English??? thats pure BS propaganda.

People wanted land for themselves and took from others......

America was taken form the Native Americans... murder, displacement and victimized, you name it! the Native Americans where subjugated to horrific treatment by the "invading people". Even lacing blankets with Polio, damn they make the NAZIS look like rank armature's......

Freedom and free speech, always being BS......

reply to post by crazyewok


Yeah it's way better.

Swills
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Yeah it's way better.

You keep deluding yourself until it too late.

Your Major cities are already way more of a police state than the UK is right now. Wait till it spreads to your country.

USA? UK? We are in the same boat.