Atheism and Communism

common AI one can address personal issues in a PM...

I am determined to get this topic back on discussion with facts and viewable evidence, evidence which will for all intents and purposed remain less graphical.

because the truth is much more real...

reply to post by SisyphusRide


Evidence? in this thread which is based on lies and untruths?.
Face it you are a Christian who just doesn't like the fact other people who do not follow your club can be good decent people who will do good not because they fear what will happen to them but because it feels right.
You have tried to demonize others but have shown yourself up for what you are....a troll who doesn't even understand the basics.
My guess is you are a teenager with a lot to learn.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


You expected me to take this seriously? This thread is a knee jerk follow-up to your prrvious thread.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Then don't address me ever again. I'm not kidding.

What, the Hell, has that got to with anything?

All, that I've EVER done, is, attempt to demonstrate why your arguments aren't very convincing. You should be thankful!

See ya buddy,
Milt

reply to post by SisyphusRide

And this is a thread about atheism and communism, not religion and communism or religion and socialism. This thread is attempting to bring facts and a visual representation to the beliefs/philosophy/morals of atheism, which happens to not be a religion correct?

And, this thread about atheism and communism has been shot down. You have been provided with resources.

You've been told, and shown, the facts about atheism.....IT IS NOT EQUIVALENT WITH COMMUNISM.

Okay - I'm done here, but should probably give you an "honorable mention" for trolls to this forum....

yeah. You are a troll.
Thread fail.

reply to post by SisyphusRide

but the followers of atheism seem to like to direct their energy towards attacking Christians or thinking Christians are attacking them for some reason.

1) There ARE NO "followers of atheism"!

2) ANTI-THEISTS ARE the ONLY ATHEISTS WHO "like to direct their energy towards attacking Christians". Why can't you, seem to, grasp that concept?

3) You're the one, who is, doing the "attacking" in this thread. Go figure... You must be a follower of "Anti-Atheism"! Those are the ones who "like to direct their energy towards attacking" atheists "or thinking" atheists "are attacking them for some reason".

I can't quite put my finger on that one yet although I am working on it.

That's, ONLY, because you insist on ignoring a major distinction between ATHEISM, AND ANTI-THEISM.

See ya,
Milt

I had to laugh at this from page 1 of this thread as it is textbook of todays educated..or put another way ..education is now turned into intolerance and censorship and down right rudeness.

If you're truly wanting to learn something, first start with proper English spelling and grammar.

Then, and only then, you can start with the complexities of trying to equate a religious point of view, or non-religious POV, with economic theories, especially those that were enforced at gunpoint rather than with atheistic ideals.

My apologies if English is a second or third language for you, but really, you can't think with complexity in any particular language until you've mastered it enough to be able to write a simple paragraph.

To put it another way, yes, you're looking for a fight and two, you're not educated enough yet to go there. Maybe put down the bible and read some other stuff now. You'll find there's these places called 'libraries' which have a huge assortment of other ideas and knowledge available for free.

(Sigh. I'm really starting to want to request that all the bible-thumpers stick to the technology described in the OT and NT only. Since apparently your god wasn't up to inventing computers or mass communication apart from random visions, maybe stick to town cryers, your sundry prophets, and legends told around the campfire for your informational resources...)

I am not interested in the spelling and grammer police. This is often a thin attempt at censorship and rudeness...pecking order or one upmanship. It is not a good debate point on a board like this.


What is worse to me is that many this type of educated people are now our leaders with a sense of "Entitlement." this is become clear to many out here.

Would that I had a better education than what I possess but at the same time I have worked around alot of engineers and so called educated types. I would not give them a wrench or trust them to feed my pets. With a wrench some of these educated types can get you killed..so be careful as to what you think is today educated . Also remember many of these same educated and intolerant lots are todays leaders.

Dont let them try to intimidate you with education as if it is the tell all and know all of everything. It is not.

Some of us have long ago gotten past the worship of education.

Here for example... Democide.

en.wikipedia.org...


Democide is a concept and understanding seldom taught to people today next to it's significance in thinking and looking at the world around us.

Democide is death by ones own government.

What RJ Rummels states in this article on Democide is here..

His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the actions of people working for governments than have died in battle.

Notice carefully that RJ Rummell is describing the last 100 years. The last 100 years is the time of education...enlightenment...reason..illuminated people running the world.

Yet we have some estimated 262 million people being killed by their own governments and not in times of war..but in addition to wars.

This puts a stark contrast to education and what is taught to most people..even by leadership financing public education.

What is of interest to me is how many of these people were killed by their own government in Communist/anti God/anti religion nations where as Hegel stated..."The State is God."

Be very careful here what one thinks is education..much is often missing from our thinkingt and instead substituted with rudeness, crassness, and vitriol..in lieu of thinking and real exchanging of informations.

I will also remind the readers here that the communist nations are also very very devoutly, zealousely, and religious believers in education and higher learning. Even devoutly , zealously, and religiously believers in Science.
Hence I am very dubious when atheists attempt to use or misuse science as the new paradigm for their devout and zealous beliefs.

I will remind the readers here that the Muslim nations are also very devout about science. So some caution about science is needed here.

Remember this when Atheists are in boards like this and attempting to work you over the coals.

At the same time ..if your ministers are not teaching you about concepts like Democide and what it means and implies about the Word and also your understanding of the world around you...they are at fault as well for your ignorance and it ought not to be this way.
Not only that ..many of you Believers out here ought to know of this on your own..by reading and learning ...meaning know enough to check up on your ministers and find out what they are not teaching you. You might be surprised to find out what they are not teaching you...on purpose.


On the other hand ...for the Believers out here ...remember something ...about Science. Science has made a plethora of new products to sell and market to us in various ways. This plethora has not necessarily made us better people. It has, however, made us better consumers. Do not allow others to mark you in such ignorance about science and the education accompanying science and knowledge to the point you loose sight of this simplicity.

The quest here is not necessarily about Communism verses Atheism...it is about Absolute power..ie..Feudalism.

For the history reads that men have always tried to return to "Absolute Power" through religion or without religion and various systems have been devised by men to accomplish this.

Communism is only one such system
So too is Feudalism or what is sometimes called "Divine Right of Kings."

So too is Secularism or Humanism..and other anti religion systems. For when you look closely at these secular, socialist, Humanistic governments once again in like manner to Communism ..you wind back up at Hegel and "The State is God."
You just took a different road. You still wind up with a lack of individual liberty and freedom...individual ability to make choices for yourself.

And Power is a devout religious belief system to men who so covet it. Be Warned about this. Educate yourself.
Also the Bible or Word ...the contrast in these system is to be found in there for the perceptive...by the history of what happened.

Much of this in the Bible History and the quest for power is also to be found in Secular History and the Science of Archeology.
It is just that they are so seldom tied together for the student to see them for what they are. Either by secular teachers nor ministers.

Thanks,
Orangetom

reply to post by boymonkey74

The guy is in a trollish mood

Of course, I am! I, even, say so in my avatar! I wouldn't lie about something like that!

Anyway, someone needs to be willing to "troll" through the rotten tripe, that both sides of this "argument" seem to be trying to feed one another.

Cya Milt is just annoying.

That wasn't the point of "See ya, Milt", but, that IS, MOST DEFINITELY, A PLUS! I'll bet, that, my use, of commas, drives you nuts, too. Petty people, aaalways, bitch about petty things.

I don't even bother reading his trip anymore

Hell, I read your "trip"! That's always good for a laugh! I'll, even, put a star on that last serving.

See ya buddy, (Do you like that better?)
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


Much better sorry dude Iam in a bad mood due to morons.

Cya my old China plate

BM.

reply to post by boymonkey74

Much better

Good! I'm glad of that! Keep in mind, however, that the next time you attempt a "behind the back" personal attack, such as that last one, I will, indeed, remove the term "buddy", from all future farewells, to you.

sorry dude Iam in a bad mood due to morons.

That's okay! I can understand that... It must be very difficult to watch a fellow atheist, be made a fool of, by a "moron".

Cya my old China plate

Are you insinuating that I'm old, and that I'm fragile? If so, you might want to rethink that.

See ya buddy,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


Iam not an atheist.....just anti religion.

reply to post by boymonkey74

Iam not an atheist.....just anti religion.

Yes, I know. I was getting ready to correct that, just before I noticed your response. I meant to say "fellow anti-theist".

Please forgive the mistake. I am truly sorry for that.

See ya buddy,
Milt

reply to post by SisyphusRide


I personally don't mind what you use, but if we get to blanket judge an
entire group of people by what some leader that may possible have
had some sort of affiliation with a group via a roundabout way then
i guess i get to judge Christianity on the basis of the westboro baptist
church.

It is the same idea, just because a loon holds a belief along with his
ludicrous ideals does not mean that entire swaths of other groups share
or even hold any semblance of said ideals. Atheism is not based upon
a political affiliation and suggesting such means that all Christians must
be one political affiliation or another.... which is very clearly wrong.


We have seen in this fine world Christians who were major proponents
and leaders of the KKK, various other hate groups, charlatans and
flat out thieves...... using fear to spread misinformation about a
group that does not agree with you is the same thing as a lie, you know
very well most atheists, myself included in that, do not desire anything
of the sort government wise.

What i desire is freedom, not oppressive governance of a secular or
religious government..... Not only that but atheism in and of itself existed
long, long before this man, to assume modern atheists even know much
about this man is kinda funny really..... That is like asking a christian
about the slavery in the new testament, most don't even know its
encouraged, let alone what it actually says about it.....

In my years meeting and speaking with atheists from all over the planet
i have yet to meet one who has even brought up communism in any
way other than speaking poorly of it as a governance choice.... let
alone any who advocate it as the better option.

Meh speaking reason to someone who desires hostility is really useless,
if folks like you had your way i feel as if folks like me would be either
deported from this country or second class citizens, that or dragged in
front of congress to have a hearing on whether or not we are communists.....

When will religion learn that you cannot get to freedom via oppression and
being a slave to the ideal of religion is just as poor of a choice as being
a slave to the ideals of communism or any system in which your encouraged
to give up your identity as a human being and give your freedom over to
someone else, in the case of communism its those around you, in the
case of religion its your chosen god/gods.

bloodreviara
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

I personally don't mind what you use, but if we get to blanket judge an
entire group of people

indeed...

but atheism claims no affiliation or group or teaching, so it's all up in the air subjective.

atheism can be a wacky wild moral code I'd agree, maybe modern atheism needs a righteous doctrine of some sort like spreading peace and love similar to the flower children did back in the day instead of constantly being on the offensive?

all of the links I have provided so far and mostly all have been from Wiki, the dictators and rulers are listed as atheists and I just feel it is a philosophy which can use some minor tweaks and adjustments along with something compassionate set in stone.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


Do you consider there to be a difference between athiests and those who just do not believe in the Abrahamic god? This is quite an important distinction I need clarity on.

woodwardjnr
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

Do you consider there to be a difference between athiests and those who just do not believe in the Abrahamic god? This is quite an important distinction I need clarity on.

God represents a Just and Compassionate moral code...

this is something I would need to see on an individual level and a worldly affair level before I would consider an adherent to atheism morally Just and honorably trustworthy friend.

I have no issues with other theistic faiths I come into contact with and I have worked with so many nationalities I would have difficulty counting them out for you.

The only people I have had issues with happen to be of my own ethnicity and are outspoken atheistically.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


So your cool with Buddhists and Hindus, despite them not believing in your god.

This thread is a mockery, people. This is ignorance making its presence known. This is why atheists have to stand up, because they face the same bigotry and slander as homosexuals. We have to set the record straight.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

This thread is a mockery, people. This is ignorance making its presence known.

Yeah... So says the fellow that started a thread titled, "I Converted A Catholic To Atheism", so that he could gloat over a "conversion", that ultimately ended in failure.

This is why atheists have to stand up, because they face the same bigotry and slander as homosexuals. We have to set the record straight.

Bull! ANTI-THEISTS, such as yourself, ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN QUASHING RELIGIOUS THOUGHT. Quite truthfully, it's people like you, that give atheism a bad reputation.

See ya,
Milt

Well said Hitch.