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Atheism and Communism

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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 12:26 AM
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C21H30O2I
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Since communism is the ultimate good,(in Mao and Stalin eyes) anyone who is opposed to it must necessarily be evil. Like religious fundamentalists, to the communists everything is in black and white. "You are either with us or against us.


Doesn't Communism resemble very closely the dogmatic faith of religious fundamentalist? "It has, like other fundamentalist religions, a list of sacred writings known as the "communist classics". Infallible authority is ascribed to these writings. It pretends to represent the absolute truth by calling itself a "science". Yet it proceeds in the manner of a faith." Just wondering..


But atheism is not a religion correct.. or is it? I am still a bit confused on the subject of it being a religion or not even though my government has defined it as such during various Supreme Court rulings.

Atheism is a doctrine and there are only few moral beliefs associated with it that are written in stone... I am trying to show this doctrine and what it could transform into, where it has been written in stone and that it is akin to playing with fire.

I don;t think atheism is a phase on goes thru or fiddles with when they are young adults because we actually have preachers of atheism competing with the base moral code in debates, these speakers are also trying to change the definitions of words and even the definition of morality.

It's a hot topic for grown adults... I am intrigued.




posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
noun
noun: communism; noun: Communism; plural noun: Communisms

1.
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

yeah not seeing it......

but you get 5 points for using a buzz word to try and instigate fear.

Same thing happened int he 50's, religion used fear based
on communism to get "In spaghetti monster we trust" on the
money..... sad that they have to work off peoples fear and
lie to them to get their way, god is great isn't he? ugh.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 01:13 AM
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bloodreviara
com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
noun
noun: communism; noun: Communism;


"Communism begins from the outset with atheism;[21]"

"He (Marx) came to consider later in his life that religion would disappear naturally through the richness of ideas that would emerge from a rationalized order of communistic social life."

"The atheistic element of Communism would be intensified in some Marxist movements after his death."

"Engels’ views on the need for scientific education and the need for materialistic atheism to rely on science, spread widely among Communists and it would later become a fundamental position of Soviet education, which was hostile to religious belief.

would you like me to stop using Wiki? I hate taking others Wiki links... but I don't have much of a problem with giving them.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 02:40 AM
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If one requires the fear of god to behave as a good person; they're not a good person to begin with.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 03:05 AM
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boymonkey74
Oh GTFO.
Another sheep claiming atheists have no morals.....
I find people who claim this frightening, you say that because they are Godless they have a bad moral code?


The moral code that you know of and speak of comes from Theistic philosophies, it has it's origins in whatever the prevailing religion has been all through history in your region.

I suspect you are in the Western World, or even Christendom? everything you know and speak about of morals come from those who went before you and have been transformed into Law that you live and abide by.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 03:13 AM
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...for thread reference



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 03:28 AM
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Do you believe humans had morals before Christianity, which has only been around 2000 years. Human civilisation has been around much longer. Are you trying to imply Christianity invented morals? How did human civilisation exist for so long without Christian morals?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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woodwardjnr
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Do you believe humans had morals before Christianity,

Christianity? come on man you guy can do better than that and stop with all the Christian attacks... proving only one thing, that atheists can not get their brain unwrapped from Christians and the Law system they live under because it is all they know.

let me answer your question with a question... do you believe there were Theists before Christianity?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:28 AM
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let me answer your question with a question... do you believe there were Theists before Christianity?


I believe there were people who believed in all sorts of gods before Christianity, from the Greek Gods to the pagan gods. I imagine they also had morals just as sound as any Christian.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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the Atheistic morals are so untrained, uneducated and immoral, they so lack a school of thought that I am actually becoming Hedonophobic™®©

Their qualities and traits consist of the live for the moment mentality, which is filled with the dopamine pleasure centers of the brain and everything exists "all for them" -Mao and their pleasure centers.

So impulsive it is no wonder why the Atheistic moral isn't the dominant moral system on the planet!



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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SisyphusRide
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the Atheistic morals are so untrained, uneducated and immoral, they so lack a school of thought that I am actually becoming Hedonophobic™®©

Their qualities and traits consist of the live for the moment mentality, which is filled with the dopamine pleasure centers of the brain and everything exists "all for them" -Mao and their pleasure centers.

So impulsive it is no wonder why the Atheistic moral isn't the dominant moral system on the planet!





Ok so you believe athiests do have morals, just not morals you believe in. Are the morals of atheists as damaging to a society as the morals of Fanatical believers of religion, say like the Taliban?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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I believe atheism is akin to Hedonism yes...

and definitions are lacking in atheism for such simple things such as 'good and bad' and 'rape and love' since they are constantly trying to change the definitions of words in debates, or arguing for nearly 3 hours debating if rape is ok, or if it wrong unless...

under the hedonistic atheism school of thought, burying people alive or going on a serial killing spree is ok because the atheist derives pleasure from others pain... or can not define the difference.


edit on 7-12-2013 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:55 AM
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No, they are NOT one and the same.
And you are trolling, just like someone else said.
Isn't Atheism the Same as Communism? Doesn't Atheism Lead to Communism?



Myth:
Are all atheists just communists? Does atheism cause communism?


Response:
A common complaint made by theists, typically those of the fundamentalist variety, is that atheism and/or humanism are essentially socialist or communist in nature. Thus, atheism and humanism should be rejected since socialism and communism are evil. Evidence indicates that bigotry and prejudice towards atheists in America is due in no small part to anti-communist activism by conservatives Christians in America, so this claimed connection has had serious consequences for American atheists.


Good Gods, it's so easy -- maybe TOO easy -- to look things up nowadays and find where you are wrong... Why, Sis, would you do this? To make yourself look worse than you already do?

That's the only reason I can think of.


Many Christians today act as if certain pre-specified political and economic positions are necessary in order to be a "good Christian." No longer are faith in Jesus and God sufficient; instead, one must also have faith in market capitalism and small government. Since so many of these Christians carry the attitude that anyone who disagrees with them on any one point must disagree with them in everything, it isn't surprising that some assume that an atheist or humanist must be a communist. This isn't helped by the fact that Communism in the Twentieth Century has been almost entirely atheistic in nature

Yes, atheists HAVE been involved in Communism, but that does NOT MEAN THAT ALL ATHEISTS ARE COMMUNISTS. So. You've made your link. And it's not refuted. But you're WRONG that all atheists are communists.


Communism is not, however, inherently atheistic. It is possible to hold communist or socialist economic views while being a theist and it isn't at all uncommon to be an atheist while staunchly defending capitalism — a combination often found among Objectivists and Libertarians, for example.

Their existence alone demonstrates, without question, that atheism and communism are not the same thing.

Jesus. Really, ANY research would have enlightened you as to the warped fallacy you are peddling: that all atheists are communists. It's bullschmidt.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Stop with the Christianity attacks? really in a thread made by you to attack atheists (Oh and Iam not one btw).
This is a complete troll thread If you can't understand that Atheists does not = communist you are an idiot.
Also burying people alive? and you think atheists would take pleasure in this? again idiot.
Lets not forget that it is your religion (don't give me BS that you do not follow one) that had stoning in and an offshoot of Christianity (Abrahamic religion) Islam continue to stone people to death.
Shall we bring up the crusades? the Inquisition? all Christian where people took pleasure in torture.
How many people including Christians have agreed with you here?
Well If they have those also are idiots.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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I am not attacking Christianity!

I am simply a theist making an observation about the world we live in... which happens to be dominated by the institution of Laws which were established under Christendom.

I eat knowledge, I take it into my stomach and whatever is not regurgitated remains a part of me.

I am many things theistic, brand me as a Christian! you may want to look into the mirror friend and wonder why you have such a fixation on Christians.

most Christians would disavow me as being something like a Catholic.

I am simply an American... nothing more



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:20 AM
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You just proved my points....read my post again.
Anyhow goodbye, you just made he same list as Bo.
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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most Christians would disavow me as being something like a Catholic.

I am simply an American... nothing more

CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIANS.
gha

Yeah, you're simply 'an American' with no clue what you're ranting about. And even less ambition to find out before you spew your ignorant, hateful allegations all over ATS.

Are you even aware that "Rush Limbaugh" (who you remind me of) says THE POPE is a Marxist commie pig?
do a quick Google search.

Limbaugh has been challenged to take it back. He's a tool.
I could easily click, open, copy, and paste one of SEVERAL articles about this very thing....

but I suspect you can't be bothered to do so.




edit on 12/7/13 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:29 AM
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But according to the morals of some religious believers, it's ok to rape women, have polygamous relationships, stone people to death, hang homosexuals, kill girls who want to go to school.

There are fanatics in all camps. Anyway, its clear your both advocate and judge in this debate, so there's little point in carrying on.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:32 AM
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wildtimes
CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIANS.
gha


ah? thanks for the heads up...

I claim no affiliation, no affiliation claims me.

United States baby... love it or leave it!




posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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SisyphusRide
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I believe atheism is akin to Hedonism yes...

and definitions are lacking in atheism for such simple things such as 'good and bad' and 'rape and love' since they are constantly trying to change the definitions of words in debates, or arguing for nearly 3 hours debating if rape is ok, or if it wrong unless...

under the hedonistic atheism school of thought, burying people alive or going on a serial killing spree is ok because the atheist derives pleasure from others pain... or can not define the difference.


edit on 7-12-2013 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)


I'm an atheist and refused to rise to your last reply (yes I remember Lenin)

I love my wife and would never entertain the thought of wandering from her embrace.



and definitions are lacking in atheism for such simple things such as 'good and bad'


I've seen kids blown apart in the name of religion atheist definition: Bad
I've known parents reject religion in order to love and have kids to love atheist definition: Good




and 'rape and love' since they are constantly trying to change the definitions of words in debates, or arguing for nearly 3 hours debating if rape is ok,


An athiest does not rape his wife under religious instruction, unlike some religions decree of having sex at certain times regardless of the lady's feelings




under the hedonistic atheism school of thought, burying people alive or going on a serial killing spree is ok


And how often do you read about an atheist going on a killing spree as opposed to a religious nutter ?






the atheist derives pleasure from others pain... or can not define the difference.



Show me where. Show me one point in my history on ATS where I set out to derive pleasure from another's pain.

Cody



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