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Atheism and Communism

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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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Everyone is just as bad as each other, Christians have killed people and so have atheists, now that I think about it someone in any group has done something horrible. However you have gone and picked a fight with a rather large community. Everyone is different here some are similar some are unique but trying to say atheists are communists is just well ignorant of others beliefs.

Were not here to destroy your religions or morals you've already done that to yourself. There's a world full of ideas it might help to read into others as well to give you a new perspective instead of saying all that don't follow religion are evil.

From shadows
We'll reclaim our destiny
Set our future free
Call us liars
Degenerates and killers
Psychos, heartless, instant criminals
Stupid mutts and
Nothing but pure evil
Above the darkness and the shame
Above the torture and the pain
Above the ridicule and hate
Above the binding of our fate
From shadows
We'll descend upon the world from shadows
We'll reclaim our destiny.




posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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C21H30O2I
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I agree with you about representing justice and truth. Although, I do not think one being an atheist makes them a Leninist.


I am not calling these people anything beyond atheists, as they call them selves.

let's see where atheism has been...



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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I was a bit puzzled by your OP when I first read it, because it really didn't make sense. I now know why:
You should have used the term "anti-theism" instead of "atheism". Repression is at the heart of both communism, and anti-theism. Because of that, I strongly suspect that those were the two "philosophies" that you were trying to connect. That connection cannot be denied.

Many of the responses in this thread are, in fact, from anti-theists, who only use atheism as a place to hide. Even so, they're mighty easy to spot.

See ya,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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4 years = 2 million murdered (25% of the population) 1975-1979

Pol Pot - Communist - actions based on class struggle (Revolutionary) - does not believe in God


There is no almighty God in Buddhism and this is why atheism always tries to claim Buddhism, and amongst other things they find endearing until I show them the flaming monk.

The question could be up in the air about Buddhism being atheistic, but Pol Pot was a Communist and Communism has close ties with atheism and the philosophies are nearly identical thought pattern for thought pattern.

The Khmer Rouge also classified people by religion and ethnic group. They banned all religion and dispersed minority groups forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs.

The Khmer Rouge leadership boasted over the state-controlled radio that only one or two million people were needed to build the new agrarian communist utopia.

Hundreds of thousands of the new people, and later the depositees, were taken out in shackles to dig their own mass graves. Then the Khmer Rouge soldiers buried them alive. A Khmer Rouge extermination prison directive ordered, "Bullets are not to be wasted."

en.wikipedia.org...
www.religionfacts.com...


"To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss."[32]


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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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BenReclused
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I was a bit puzzled by your OP when I first read it, because it really didn't make sense. I now know why:
You should have used the term "anti-theism" instead of "atheism". Repression is at the heart of both communism, and anti-theism. Because of that, I strongly suspect that those were the two "philosophies" that you were trying to connect. That connection cannot be denied.

Many of the responses in this thread are, in fact, from anti-theists, who only use atheism as a place to hide.

See ya,
Milt
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Thank you Milt. Now that makes a lot more sense.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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You are very welcome.

I knew there was a "point" buried in there somewhere, but it didn't show itself until I swapped "anti-theism" with "atheism".

See ya buddy,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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Loving Your Neighbour? – Killing Your Opponents!

"The list of religious atrocities committed in the sacrosanct name of Christ is long and varied ...

In proof of this, witness the gibbets, the wheels, the massacres, and the horrible burnings at the stake of nearly a hundred thousand human beings in a single province -

the massacres and devastations of nine mad crusades of Christians against unoffending Turks, during nearly two hundred years; in which many millions of human beings perished-

the massacre of the Anabaptists-

the massacres of the Lutherans and Papists, from the Rhine to the extremities of the north-

the massacres in Ireland, England, and Scotland, in the time of Charles the First, who was himself massacred-

the massacres ordered by Henry the Eighth and his daughter Mary-

the massacres of St. Bartholomew in France; and forty years more of other massacres between the time of Francis the First, and the entry of Henry the Fourth into Paris-

the massacres of the Inquisition, which are more execrable still, as being judicially committed-

to say nothing of the innumerable schisms, and twenty wars of popes against popes-bishops against bishops the poisoning assassinations-

the cruel rapines of more than a dozen of popes, who far exceeded a Nero or Caligula in every species of crime and wickedness-

the massacre of twelve millions of the inhabitants of the new world, executed CRUCIFIX IN HAND; and all for the honour and glory of the Jewish deity and his son!"




Just a few of the tortures that 'heretics' went through:
• Skin flayed from head, face and body
• Noses, nipples and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers
• Fried or boiled alive or roasted on a spit
• Mouth slit back to ears
• Crucified upside down
• Thrown from windows on to spears
• Arms cut off
• Torturous slow burning, soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc.
• Women stripped, hung from trees by their hair and scourged or left hanging by one leg until dead
• Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out

Torture Chambers
' For 1500 hundred years, the Christian Church systematically operated torture chambers throughout Europe. Torture was the rule, not the exception. Next to the Bible, the most influential and venerated book in Christian history was the Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Witches), which was a step-by-step tutorial in how to torture "witches' and "sorcerers".
David Mills (Science Shams & Bible Bloopers, p361)

The Holy Trinity

When a sinner had 'blasphemed the holy name of god', or when he had perhaps told some truth about the local priest, it was customary to apply the holy trinity.

The Iron mask was heated in an open fire until red hot, then put upon his head. The scourge, also red hot, was then applied to his back. After the mask had cooled, it was removed from the sinner, taking skin (and usually eyeballs) with it. The prisoner's mouth was then opened and red hot pincers were used to remove the prisoner's tongue.

It is interesting to note that the Holy Trinity was designed not to cause death, so that the maimed, blinded and mute prisoner could live out his days as a burden to his family and as a testimony to what happens when one lets his tongue wag too freely.

May God Be With You......



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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BenReclused
You should have used the term "anti-theism"


is that what the likes of Richard Dawkins preach?

anti-theism is a little more aggressive, maybe we just have to wait for someone to come to power?

so are you saying you're not a supporter of "atheism" or that you are not an "atheist" ?
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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C21H30O2I
as a testimony to what happens when one lets his tongue wag too freely.

May God Be With You......


your avatar is against regulations and the Law of ATS, please change it so your username is visible.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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I don't think it's wagging to freely. I just think you don't like the truth.

I just knew the direction would change...




your avatar is against regulations and the Law of ATS, please change it so your username is visible.


I'd be happy to change it.


That wont change the fact that Christianity has committed some of the most heinous, atrocity's ever.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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There, Ask and ye shall receive, My Equitable friend.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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is that what the likes of Richard Dawkins preach?

If he "preaches" against God, or religion, he is, in fact, an anti-theist. Does he?


anti-theism is a little more aggressive, maybe we just have to wait for someone to come to power?

Why? You've already mentioned, at least, two that have already "come to power".

Aggressive atheists ARE, IN FACT, anti-theists.


so are you saying you're not a supporter of "atheism" or that you are not an "atheist" ?

No, I haven't been saying either. I am, however, an avid supporter of an individual's right to believe, or to not believe, as they may. There are many atheists, just as there are many people of faith, that support that same ideal.

See ya,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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let this be a testimony that wagging freely is dealing with someone on an individual level... and that it is a public matter.

Republic



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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Chairman Mao; - 49-78 Million Deaths - Religious Belief; - Atheist
Political Views; Marxist/Leninist Atheism / Communist


"Adopting Lenin's advice, the delegates agreed to an alliance with the "bourgeois democrats" of the KMT for the good of the "national revolution". Communist Party members joined the KMT, hoping to push its politics leftward."[71]

"Maoism sees the agrarian peasantry, rather than the working class, as the key revolutionary force which can fundamentally transform capitalist society towards socialism"[1]

The implementation of Maoist thought in China may have been responsible for over 70 million deaths during peacetime,[53][54] with the Cultural Revolution, Anti-Rightist Campaign of 1957-58,[55] and the Great Leap Forward. Because of Mao's land reforms during the Great Leap Forward, which resulted in famines, 30 million perished between 1958 and 1961. By the end of 1961 the birth rate was nearly cut in half because of malnutrition.[56] Active campaigns, including party purges and "reeducation" resulted in imprisonment and/or the execution of those deemed contrary to the implementation of Maoist ideals.[57] The incidents of destruction of cultural heritage, religion, and art remain controversial.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...


"Morality does not have to be defined in relation to others. People like me want to ...satisfy our hearts to the full, and in doing so we automatically have the most valuable moral codes. Of course there are people and objects in the world, but they are only for me!" -Mao


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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:26 PM
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You will die when I say you must die....BTTF. You coward you servant you blind man.... I must say, I am surprised in your choice of song/band.
I used to like Metallica, until they sold out and commercialized themselves.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:31 PM
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C21H30O2I
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You will die when I say you must die....BTTF. You coward you servant you blind man.... I must say, I am surprised in your choice of song/band.
I used to like Metallica, until they sold out and commercialized themselves.


I'll agree with you on that... Black Album was it! but they did have a few songs here and there on releases after. After Jason left the band it was beyond recognition... they are just playing politics with the new bass player, because he's not that good.

What Robert Trujillo has brought to the band so far are basically plagiarisms... I could point a few out to you sometime maybe in the Music section?



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:45 PM
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Sure, Id enjoy that. Speaking of bass players. Remember ole Cliff Burton.I thought he was the shiii, back in the 80's. Not to go off topic, My apologies.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:56 PM
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Since communism is the ultimate good,(in Mao and Stalin eyes) anyone who is opposed to it must necessarily be evil. Like religious fundamentalists, to the communists everything is in black and white. "You are either with us or against us.


Doesn't Communism resemble very closely the dogmatic faith of religious fundamentalist? "It has, like other fundamentalist religions, a list of sacred writings known as the "communist classics". Infallible authority is ascribed to these writings. It pretends to represent the absolute truth by calling itself a "science". Yet it proceeds in the manner of a faith." Just wondering..



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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it's all good... I'm not really one to complain


unless it is off topic to the subject in a closer matter, eg; "religious atrocities" but still I keep it in the public realm because people should be able to handle their own affairs... without divine intervention from the Law giver.

Yes I am a theistic metalhead, weened specifically on Iron Maiden and Metallica... I can understand how that may appear strange to some but I am a lover of music.

I also enjoy history, and I was weened on historical Connections by James Burke and Carl Sagan, they always seem to give me what my teachers could not aspire to.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 12:21 AM
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Well, seems we have some in common. With Sagan and Maiden. I'm sure others as well. Aside, from our religious views. But I'm not one to let religious beliefs, one way or another stand in the way of anything



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