Atheism and Communism

wildtimes
Um, that's because no one else has bothered to post nonsense trying to make the two synonymous.

actually that's not entirely correct... mine has just risen to the top.

where do you think all this information now being consolidated into one thread has come from?

and Wiki too...

and actually from m server it's back to page two now because people are searching lol

reply to post by wildtimes

Hello "Wildtimes",

Just in case you weren't aware: boymonkey isn't an atheist.
Neither am I, just for the record.
I'm an Agnostic Deist; but I'm not sure what he would 'call' himself.

Previously, in this thread, "boymonkey" stated that he was, in fact, an anti-theist.

Agnostic Deist is a bit surprising. I actually had you "pegged" as being on the, slightly, atheistic side of agnostic. Though it should be obvious, I am a VERY strict agnostic. That often gets me in "hot water", from both sides, but anti-theists are the worst, when it comes to spewing hatred.

As I said before, if "SisyphusRide" were willing to make the connection between communism, and anti-theism, that "connection" would be undeniable. It's a shame that he doesn't seem to understand that. As it is, he's just whizzing into the wind.

Regarding a different subject:
Kindly forgive me, for my previous ''jab" at you, in a different thread. I was preparing to make a point regarding posted "credentials", but your "caution" made me rethink that idea. I am truly sorry for that.

Sincerely,
Milt

SisyphusRide
and actually from my server it's back to page two now because people are searching lol

I think I'll make a webpage about it! it'll be alot cleaner...

SisyphusRide

SisyphusRide
and actually from my server it's back to page two now because people are searching lol

I think I'll make a webpage about it! it'll be alot cleaner...

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damit I hit the "quote" again instead of edit... I promise to try to do better.

all these titles are so confusing, it's either yes or no people! agnosticism is logical, it's middle ground and they have a non-aggressive pact going on.

DAMN ATS! what is your design malfunction??? put the darn "edit" on the end!!!!!!!!!!

this website is discriminating against left handed people...

WELCOME TO 2014 where tablets and touchscreens have outsold personal computers for nearly 7 whole years now...

some people have a hint of dyslexia and some people are all thumbs...

STUPID RIGHT HANDED WORLD!!!

reply to post by SisyphusRide

all these titles are so confusing, it's either yes or no people! agnosticism is logical, it's middle ground and they have a non-aggressive pact going on.

Not, it's not either "yes or no". You're trying to force a false duality where one doesn't need to exist. Whether one is a theist/atheist is a separate question from whether one is a gnostic/agnostic; the former is a question of belief or lack of belief, the latter is a question of knowledge or lack of knowledge.

By way of example, I'm an agnostic atheist -- I lack belief in the existence of deities but I don't know that there aren't any. I've met agnostic theists (believe in God, don't know that there is one) and gnostic theists (believe in God, know that there is one) both here and in real life. I don't think I've met any gnostic atheists yet, but I'd consider their position to be about as justifiable as gnostic theism. Which is to say, not at all.

reply to post by iterationzero


Prisoners are more than welcome to appeal their case to the judge... if I was the warden prisoners would be placed accordingly.

Theist - Agnostic - Atheist

The jail is overcrowded as it is, after I the warden threw the prisoner on the correct wing for their disposition, as to not cause a disturbance in the jail... prisoners may let that wing master throw them on the correct tier and choose a correct roomie for them.

Transfers between wings are sometimes necessary, and prisoners are more than welcome to talk with the state psychologist if they feel they have been transferred unjustly... just put in a request form.

reply to post by SisyphusRide

Fortunately you're neither a judge or a warden. You're just someone who like to make sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and grossly oversimplifies complex ideas, like religious belief, with no facts to back up those generalizations or oversimplifications.

reply to post by SisyphusRide

Prisoners are more than welcome to appeal their case to the judge... if I was the warden prisoners would be placed accordingly.

Theist - Agnostic - Atheist

Why not do the same for communists? You'd still need those same three categories.


See ya buddy,
Milt

iterationzero
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

Fortunately you're neither a judge or a warden. You're just someone who like to make sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and grossly oversimplifies complex ideas, like religious belief, with no facts to back up those generalizations or oversimplifications.

Well that does sound kind of familiar... but atheists go right to the communist wing because history has proven solid their actions and they also do not have such a broad group of individuals like Christians say.

Let us not discriminate... ethnicity and nationality serve no scientific base here, it is ideals which the warden uses to determine placement and it is out of the wardens hands after such placement is given.

The grievance box is located at your wing masters station.

Enjoy your stay...

BenReclused
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

I respect others freedom of religion.

Do you, also, support the freedom to not believe?

See ya buddy,
Milt

If the atheists were peaceful non-aggressive individuals who supported others "freedom of belief" then sure.

But those who exercise non-belief (in anything possibly including themselves) are causing a disturbance among the inmates and we like a peaceful society here.

There will be no bullying as long as I am warden...

iterationzero
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

Fortunately you're neither a judge or a warden. You're just someone who like to make sweeping generalizations about large groups of people and grossly oversimplifies complex ideas, like religious belief, with no facts to back up those generalizations or oversimplifications.

There is no other factor which will determine the economic status or progress..or conversely the lack of these things outside of a people's religion and religious beliefs.

The proper religion and people will have freedom and liberty to reap the profit or progress of their labors. The wrong religion and people will not reap these things because the government take in the economic system will be to high.

Towards what religion are we working here in the States??

The problem with Communism is that it does not take into consideration the people's beliefs and instead substitutes the peoples belefs with top down pyramid thinking...one size fits all. Communism or put another way...Humanism....looks on all other systems of belief as competitors. Hence these other systems of belief must needs be squelched or gotten rid of..eliminated.
This is by logic..by reason..by Illumination...by Enlightenment.

Now in the west...it is not popular to use the term Communism to describe the top down pyramid thinking which is taking place..but it is in fact taking place as more and more individual thinking and the prosperity of individual thinking and efforts/labor are ceded to government standardization...or secular Humanism...where Human qualities or standardizations ar being privily substituted for liberty and freedom.

It is just a more privy and concealed form of Communism..and under this system they are working steadily to get rid of anything which appears to be Christian and instead supporting and promoting the Pyramid thinking of government. Even in public school and in the media this message is being promoted in lieu of individual thinking and actions...to cede to the group think. Xerox copies of the same bland stuff.

This is a religion..make no mistake. It is a very intolerant religion while claiming to be tolerant and conversely hiding the fact of how intolerant they truely are.
It is a devout and zealous belief system. It works very well on those easily emoted and looking for bad guys by preconditioning...hence intolerant. It is divide and conquer on a people. It is fractionating. It is not uniting.

And this fractionating is exactly how the Communists work through socialist front people...group think to reach their goals.
Xerox copies of the same bland stuff..divide and conquer.

People versed in History..also know that Communist systems would never survive without outside help. They are incapable of working an economy without massive outside help to prop them up.

One of the tell tale signs that a nation is turning towards socialist/communist group think..is that their economy begins to stagger and overburden under massive government programs which do not produce goods and services. Surpluses disappear...and even the staples begin over time to disappear.
Stagnation.
This tell tale symptom of economic stagnation is often in these socialist/communist systems covered up..hidden by a willing and compliant state media in the pocket of government. Anyone speaking the truth about conditions is quickly censored by the media and government...often working together.

A government intolerant or going against it's charter...and instead substituting another "Belief" or operating system in lieu of it's original charter is a "counterfeit" ...which has it's origins also in religion...but in this case..it is often an "Occult" or hidden religious belief..one in which the product is not that advertised to most people who are unawares it is even taking place.

This too is how Communism works...as it moves itself into absolute power and control. In the olde days of history this was called "Divine Right of Kings." Both are systems of absolute power and of a devout religious zeal. And both systems produce economic and political stagnation.

Thanks,
Orangetom

reply to post by orangetom1999


it's "our" law... that we are working on here in the states.

the Hedons failed! they have no society... and they are not going to build one in mine.

it's "our" law... that we are working on here in the states.

It is His Law. The history of this world is one system after another system by men of enlightenment, illumination, by logic and reason in rebellion against His Law...and concealing what they do. Often by Occult means.

This is not how it is taught to most people but if you learn to examine the fruit produced it becomes obvious.

I suspect that this is one reason History is such a poorly taught subject today.

It is His Law.

Orangetom

reply to post by orangetom1999


I agree...

reply to post by SisyphusRide

InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

Communism and religion both foster an external locus of control.

Communism and religion both subordinate the individual to the collective.

Communism and religion are both operated by elites that maintain total control over the language and flow of communication.

Communism and religion are both memes that have violent self-defense mechanisms and are aggressively expansionist.

Atheism is, generally speaking, the lack of these things.

buster2010
Hitler was a Christian so does that make all Christians Nazis? Linking groups of people to a political ideology just because of that leaders belief makes no sense.

boymonkey74
Oh GTFO.
Another sheep claiming atheists have no morals.....
I find people who claim this frightening, you say that because they are Godless they have a bad moral code? well that tells me the only reason you follow your morals is because God will punish you If you do not have decent morals, so without God you would have no morals and you would murder cheat steal etc.
Morals do not come from religion they come from within, a tool to help our species carry on and live together.
Troll thread tbh...looking for a fight again?
I bet you will say the same about socialism.....

FissionSurplus
I think you are trying to make the point that men must have a higher power telling them what to do, and whom to swear their allegiance to. If God isn't there, it's a vacuum which will be filled by the state.

Apples and oranges, my friend. Only mental weaklings have a vacuum in their hearts and minds which attract an "all or nothing" ideology.

AliceBleachWhite

I'm an Atheist, and I haven't murdered anyone in ... let me see ... oh, it's so hard ... NEVER.

I'm an Atheist, and due that, since there is NOTHING after death, this makes LIFE MORE PRECIOUS.
There is no god to sort things out when people or anything dies.

Communism?

Since Atheism is arrived at typically individually, and Christianity and other religions are more about everyone believing in the same thing in striving to be the SHEEP of God and liking it, I propose that; Communism is to Religion as Atheism is to Individuality and Self Reliance.

Brilliantly answered in the first six responses.

All your threads make it obvious that you have a real hatred for Atheists. Not really very Christian of you is it?

Also, just out of interest, do you think if Jesus did exist he would support capitalism?

b14warrior,

Brilliantly answered in the first six responses.

All your threads make it obvious that you have a real hatred for Atheists. Not really very Christian of you is it?

Also, just out of interest, do you think if Jesus did exist he would support capitalism?

Not much into hatred...hate and hatred today have become control and censorship words designed to invoke an emotional response ..guilt manipulations and or censorship. It also tries to make some people look like "Victims" and thus also getting others to be silent.

In like manner to how the body politic often uses and misuses the word..."Hitler" to get support or censor others.

So too with the word "Hate, Hatred , or Hater.
It gets woflie because so many are today using it...or misusing it.

As to Jesus supporting capitalism...yes I think He would.

I say this because of two interesting places in the Olde Testament.

One is of a man sleeping in his vineyard and under his fig tree. Thus denoting private property. And capitalism is built on a framework of Private property..this includes the labor of a person as their private property.

The other place is where a king tried to get some men to sell to him their vineyard. The men did not sell it to the king..thus denoting that they had choices...discretion over their private property. I cannot remember the name of this king but I believe his wife was named Jezebel.

Some other readers can fill in the name if they can remember better than I.

Yes ..the Word or Bible certainly does teach private property which is the basis of Capitalism. I believe Jesus would approve of Capitalism.

Also as I recall ...he worked in Joseph's shop in carpentry. This is private property..labor...capitalism at work.

Interesting to me how many people cannot tell this by reading what is in the pages.

Thanks,
Orangetom