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Atheism and Communism

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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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reply to post by SisyphusRide
 


I think it was just fine, mature and logical...

Coming from one, with whom I don't quite agree, those are, indeed, special words. Thank you very much!

Concerning your supposed "connection":
True atheism, in it's purest form, is only about one's personal denial, of the possibility, of the existence of God. That has, absolutely, nothing to do with one's political ideology, or even, one's morals.

Anti-theism, on the other hand, is not so much about one's "personal denial", as it is, about the active repression of those that do have a belief in God. Active repression of another's beliefs, does indeed, indicate an extreme lack of moral character.

All of the atheists that you used for examples of your "connection", are, in fact, MUCH BETTER DEFINED as anti-theists.

See ya buddy,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Most are not communist.

Would you agree that most of those that support communism are, also, anti-theists?

If not, why?

See ya,
Milt



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 05:24 PM
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I respect others freedom of religion.

Do you, also, support the freedom to not believe?

See ya buddy,
Milt



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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we can agree to disagree on some things... it doesn't mean you and I have to be enemies.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:02 AM
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I believe Sisyphus came to this forum with the accusation that atheists and communists are synonymous, or at least very closely related. Do you expect me to not defend my position? Do you expect me to not defend others who hold the same specific theistic disposition as I do?

"Telling theists that their God does not exist" is never a DEFENSE. That is only an OFFENSE.

The following is a summary of your "defense". Out of your 23 previous posts, there were:
1 Post was in defense atheism
2 Posts asked valid questions
1 Post was only a denial
1 Post was only personal attack against myself
2 Posts were only demands
2 Posts were only remarks to me
3 Posts were only comments to "Serdgiam"
4 Posts were only snide remarks (Snide remarks contained in all posts: 11)
7 Posts were only complaints
I have no further comment about that... At this time...


My apologies if you found it distasteful, but that's your problem, not mine.

Nope! Your pride, regarding that "incident", is the problem, and it's not mine.


I have a problem with people believing in a god which defies probability and which promotes ideals we have eschewed in lesser personas, but my problem become vocal when those beliefs infect our younger generations and molds the values they seek in the future of our species.

Yeah, I know, and that means that you are no different than "SisyphusRide". You two are just twin peas, on opposite ends of the same, rotten, pod.


Now that I have explained a fraction of my methodology and a little more of my motives to you, I don't expect you to understand or approve.

There was no need to explain. I had you figured out, a long time ago.


But I do expect you to address me with the respect required of all interactions on ATS, and if you cannot do that, then don't address me at all. I'm not perfect. I don't expect you to be. But let's not resort to abhorrently childish tactics for want of absolute perfection.

That is only another of your passive-aggressive attempts to demean my good name. There is, absolutely, no evidence to support your repeated accusations. If you feel that there is, SHOW ME.

Quite honestly, I feel that you owe me an apology, but I'm not foolish enough to expect one.

See ya,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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we can agree to disagree on some things... it doesn't mean you and I have to be enemies.

Truer words have never been spoken. And, just so you know... I never thought of you as an enemy.

I'm sure that most never notice it, but the last line in my "signature" is:
"IF FRIENDS WERE ONLY THOSE WITH WHOM WE AGREE; VERY LONELY WE TRULY WOULD BE!"

See ya buddy,
Milt



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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no I didn't notice it man... that's cool as sheeet!



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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You have a personal problem with atheists, so you're LOOKING for a legitimate problem to have with them in order to validate your vendetta in the eyes of more professional observers.

If one were to eliminate the "a" in "atheists", that same statement would, also, be true of you:

I have a problem with people believing in a god which defies probability and which promotes ideals we have eschewed in lesser personas, but my problem become vocal when those beliefs infect our younger generations and molds the values they seek in the future of our species.

Go figure...

See ya,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:53 AM
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no I didn't notice it man... that's cool as sheeet!

Thanks! I doubt that anyone would expect something like that from an "Old Troll", like me.

Would you mind if I added you to my friends list. I tend to disagree with many of them, so you would, certainly, be in good company. I often find myself "stuck in the middle", and tend to argue against both sides.

See ya buddy,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 03:40 AM
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I don't see much Christian like behaviour coming from the self professed Christians on this site. A lot of belief, but little faith. I sometimes question if you really do follow Jesus Christ and believe in God. If you really had faith, you wouldn't feel the need to keep making antagonising threads. If you really had faith, you wouldn't feel the need to keep getting validation for your beliefs. Therefor I'm calling you out as frauds. You don't even know what you believe in anymore.

You couldn't even write a whole page on what you think exists in heaven, you couldn't tell me what your God really is, what he looks like, what he wears, where he lives. You don't know if the bible is literal or metaphorical. You are lost in a fantasy that you may believe, but have little faith in.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:02 AM
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woodwardjnr
I don't see much Christian like behaviour coming from the self professed Christians on this site.


this is always the argument when the commies start to lose... but it don't work.

Jesus hates communists!
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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:15 AM
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Loves socialists though...I think he would hate capitalists.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:25 AM
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not any more... Jesus told the Pope he will not be associated with this modern socialism.


en.wikipedia.org...

"The Catholic Church has a history of anti-communism. The most recent Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "The Catholic Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modern times with 'communism' or 'socialism.'"

Jesus just be Jesus yo ho ho...



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:30 AM
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Yeah the same CC with golden crosses, the bigest land owners on the planet...

Get a grip you have lost this debate through your obvious hatred of free thinking people.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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this isn't a debate yo... this is an informational,

so posterity be knowin' who is the communists and socialists and what they do!



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:56 AM
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besides... if you combine the words Atheism and Communism this thread is the number 1 google result.

above and beyond the simple combination of word search I did before this thread was started.


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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 08:08 AM
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besides... if you combine the words Atheism and Communism this thread is the number 1 google result.

Um, that's because no one else has bothered to post nonsense trying to make the two synonymous. Only you.
Congratulations. In fact, I gave you several legitimate sources showing that you are mistaken....did you look at any of them?

Did you even read the posts??

If not, you are not only trolling hate speech and lies, you are being lazy at it, and cheating.

So, if some Schmoe does a google search for the title of your thread, actually wanting to find out about Atheism and Communism they'll find this one, and if they take the time to read through it, they will discover the posts and sources that have shot down your premise very well. Again, congratulations -



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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I don't see much Christian like behaviour coming from the self professed Christians on this site. A lot of belief, but little faith. I sometimes question if you really do follow Jesus Christ and believe in God. If you really had faith, you wouldn't feel the need to keep making antagonising threads. If you really had faith, you wouldn't feel the need to keep getting validation for your beliefs. Therefor I'm calling you out as frauds. You don't even know what you believe in anymore.

You couldn't even write a whole page on what you think exists in heaven, you couldn't tell me what your God really is, what he looks like, what he wears, where he lives. You don't know if the bible is literal or metaphorical. You are lost in a fantasy that you may believe, but have little faith in.

As I see it, you wouldn't have posted an anti-theistic personal attack, if you had a valid argument against the OP's claim.

See ya,
Milt



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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Get a grip you have lost this debate through your obvious hatred of free thinking people.

Though I don't necessarily disagree with that, anti-theists have also "lost this debate through" their "obvious hatred of free thinking" individuals, such as myself. Contrary to what you may feel, atheists don't have a monopoly on "free thinking".

Furthermore, anti-theists, because of their blind hatred of theists, and others that don't agree with them, are NOT "free thinkers", at all.

See ya buddy,
Milt
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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Hiya Milt,
Just in case you weren't aware: boymonkey isn't an atheist.
Neither am I, just for the record.
I'm an Agnostic Deist; but I'm not sure what he would 'call' himself.



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