Electric Comet ISON - Revealed

reply to post by Tallone


This is for you Tallone , hope you find it interesting.

reply to post by Pinkorchid

Yes, an interesting perspective incorporating legends from around the world. Thanks for posting that.

Comet Holmes would then indeed make a good comparison. But not only because it brightened considerably when moving away from the sun in 2007, it was little more than a dim smudge prior to the outburst - just as ISON is now. We shall all see, one way or another.

Tallone
3. The survival of comet ISON following perihelion is explainable under the EC model.
It is very difficult to explain under the DST model

Tallone
Problem for you all is that Comet ISON or at least a large part of it is still with us, and on the same trajectory.

Tallone
obvious there is something still there, huge and travelling along the original trajectory.

If comet ISON still existed, it would have been visible by about the 7th.
Several days on, bazillions of amateur astronomers are still looking and finding nothing at all.

BruceGary

2013.12.10 Whitmer R
14-inch telescope, R-band, dozens of images, faintest stars with V-mag ~ 18: No sign of a comet!
2013.12.09 Whitmer R
Mosaic, 3x3, covering FOV = 36 x 31 'arc, R-band, with 14-inch telescope. Nothing seen brighter than ~ 16th mag.

comets-ml

This morning in clear skies in Highland Scotland I was able to take a series of 60s exposures of the ephemeris location of this comet using C14 telescope and a 300mm f/4 Apo lens and SBIG CCD cameras. The field was above 10 degrees altitude at the time of the exposures (06:30UT).
I was UNABLE to find any CONDENSED OBJECT at the ephemeris location down to mag 15 when compared to the DSS field image. It seems that no significant nucleus of this comet survived the perihelion passage.

Third night of searching for Comet Ison, from Drôme, France.
in a near perfect sky, I get no comet on images nor using 11x70 binoculars.
Limiting mag = 14+ No sign of the comet Ison.
After registration on the move of the comet : nothing to be seen too, with 102mm or telelens.
No visual sighting too, using 11x70 mm binocular....

and so forth...

The snowball melted.

reply to post by alfa1

The snowball melted.

Don't worry. Someone will be around in a moment to tell us that is exactly what EU Theory predicted, and that it proves the standard model wrong (somehow).

reply to post by Pinkorchid


Nice Video, points out that tiny Holmes appeared bigger than the sun, after re-lighting on it's trip out of the solar system. Dirty Snowball theory was completely put to bed at that time.

This is the first video I have in the blue version that shows ISON leaving the area around the sun.

It still looks to me like, ISON first re-appeared it was bright, appeared to still have a nucleus, but then there was one last CME blast at ISON and after that, ISON dimmed considerably, like a fluorescent tube.

NASA is still looking for ISON, so the verdict isn't in just yet.

www.theepochtimes.com...

Comet ISON, meanwhile, likely suffered a major disruption from its encounter with the sun in late November. NASA scientists are keeping an eye out for large fragments of the comet, but say that there is an over 90 percent probability that it was destroyed and only small pieces of rubble are left.

At the same time, there is a small chance that “a sizeable piee of the comet nucleaus” is left, NASA said in an update. Using a number of space telescopes, scientists will be keeping an eye out in the coming weeks.

reply to post by poet1b

Nice Video, points out that tiny Holmes appeared bigger than the sun, after re-lighting on it's trip out of the solar system. Dirty Snowball theory was completely put to bed at that time.

Not really:

Altenhoff et. al.

reply to post by DJW001


Sorry, but trapped layers of dust in a comet nucleus of 3.4 Km could not develop to be lager than our Sun, which is 1.4 Million Km in diameter. This is like claiming a rock 30 meters in diameter could produce enough dust to light up space so that it had a diameter as large as the Earth, 12,700 Km in diameter, And still remain intact.

Not.

reply to post by DJW001


The abstract you link to explains the outburst of comet Holmes as a result of the nature of the comet cover and the standard DST model requirement for a coma being the process of sublimation.

Sublimation cannot be the reason for ISON's observed activity prior to passing Jupiter on its trajectory toward the Sun! Sublimation cannot therefore be a consistent concurrent phenomena with an observed coma. So while this article you link to provides a reasonable explanation for the outburst of Comet Holmes for DST advocates, it cannot be extended as a causal factor for comet ISON.

reply to post by poet1b

Sorry, but trapped layers of dust in a comet nucleus of 3.4 Km could not develop to be lager than our Sun, which is 1.4 Million Km in diameter. This is like claiming a rock 30 meters in diameter could produce enough dust to light up space so that it had a diameter as large as the Earth, 12,700 Km in diameter, And still remain intact.

Not.

Really? Why not? It seems to me to be a simple matter of the dust cloud growing less dense as it expands. This means it would grow dimmer and eventually disperse. This is precisely what is observed. On the other hand, EU theory does not explain how such an outburst can occur at all. Did the nucleus suddenly "gain charge" for no reason, or "reverse its polarity?" Why?

reply to post by Tallone

Sublimation cannot be the reason for ISON's observed activity prior to passing Jupiter on its trajectory toward the Sun! Sublimation cannot therefore be a consistent concurrent phenomena with an observed coma.

Are there no volatiles that sublimate at that distance? Prove it.

Tallone
reply to post by DJW001

 

The abstract you link to explains the outburst of comet Holmes as a result of the nature of the comet cover and the standard DST model requirement for a coma being the process of sublimation.

Sublimation cannot be the reason for ISON's observed activity prior to passing Jupiter on its trajectory toward the Sun! Sublimation cannot therefore be a consistent concurrent phenomena with an observed coma. So while this article you link to provides a reasonable explanation for the outburst of Comet Holmes for DST advocates, it cannot be extended as a causal factor for comet ISON.

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Wow. Unbelievable.

Let us take a look at what the temperature is around the orbit of Jupiter (and we'll even use it's furthest distance from the sun):

We can find what the given temperature is depending upon your distance from the sun (but not including such things as atmospheric absorbtion, etc) by using this simple formula:

T=Ts*(Rs/(D*2))^0.5

Where as:

T= what the temperature will be
Ts = The estimated surface temperature of the sun.
Rs = The radius of the sun
D = The distance from the sun

Let us use it for Earth first:

Ts = 6000 K
Rs = 695000 km
D = 152,098,232 km (Earth's farthest distance from the sun)

We punch in the numbers in the formula, and what do we get? 286.79 Kelvins. Converting Kelvins to Celsius we get: 13.64 deg C

So it works. Now let us change the distance to Jupiter's farthest point in it's orbit:

D = 816,520,800 km (the other numbers do not change of course).

When we run the formula, what do we get? 123.77 Kelvin.

Converting Kelvins to Celsius again and we get -149.38 deg C

Now, that's cold for you or me. But just how cold is it for certain volatiles?

Hydrogen melting point: -259.16 deg C

Methane melting point: -182 deg C

Carbon Monoxide melting point: -205 deg C

Nitrogen melting point: -210 deg C

Oxygen melting point: -218 deg C

I could go on but most of the above elements I listed (CHON) are the most abundant elements out there, and it would hardly be surprising to find comets, asteroids, moons and planets made of these things.

And as you can see, even at the distance of Jupiter, these elements WILL start to sublimate.

couple of points.
.Comet ISON,,,,, only a year old.
so this means that ISON, has NOT visited this way EVER.


"Comets are balls of dust and ice from the formation of the solar system billions of years ago. ISON was on its first trip after leaving the Oort cloud on the distant fringes of the solar system. Unlike comets that are "hardened" by several trips around the sun, ISON just couldn't survive its maiden voyage, Battams said."

Comets are ice.and dust,, or was that dust and ice?,, not clear yet on the 50% ice 50% dust? analysis,,
but hardening, of the ice/dust,,only occurs by , heating of the Comet.
And if it survives,, it is made "HARDER"?????

**EYE'-sahn,,
**what the hell is that???? a phonetic for an abreviation?
ison,,international space observation network,,ITS AN abreviation,, people.

reply to post by BobAthome


Do you live in an area where during your winter, it gets cold enough to snow?

If you do (or did), you'd know that if it snows enough to accumulate on the ground, then warms slightly to where it's starting to melt, and then get's well below freezing that night, the next morning that snow can turn into a sheet of ice. Which will feel a lot harder than the original fluffy snow.

Take a look at how we harden steel using heat and then cooling over and over.

The idea that other volatiles can do the same (partial melting then re-freezing) hardens them is commonly known.

reply to post by eriktheawful


THE "WATER",,oppps,, heat hardening of certain METALS,, is well known ,,fact.
now i ask,, what METALS,, specifically,, the Atomic Weight of these METAL.,, IF any,,,,,,,were found,, and,, what was the Compositional change in the specific , values,, of said, metals,,IF any such metals ,even evisted,, before,, or after,, the event,,we can never know.
we just dont have that scientific ability yet.it seems.
for everyone freely, that is.

ohh ya look left,, say's where im from re: Snow,, says u are online.

reply to post by eriktheawful


so u play snooker, or nine-ball?

eriktheawful
I could go on but most of the above elements I listed (CHON) are the most abundant elements out there, and it would hardly be surprising to find comets, asteroids, moons and planets made of these things.

And as you can see, even at the distance of Jupiter, these elements WILL start to sublimate.

The even simpler answer is that the planets out there are known as *gas* giants, and not "frozen solid" giants.

reply to post by eriktheawful

Wow. Unbelievable.

Let us take a look at what the temperature is around the orbit of Jupiter (and we'll even use it's furthest distance from the sun):

We can find what the given temperature is depending upon your distance from the sun (but not including such things as atmospheric absorbtion, etc) by using this simple formula:

T=Ts*(Rs/(D*2))^0.5

You entered one convenient but incorrect measure.

The distance comet ISON was discovered at was 6 AU (roughly equivalent to 150,000,000 km) just under 100,000,000 km OVER the distance you entered.

But that is beside the point because pre-discovery images of comet ISON was actually discovered at 8 AU distance. For a comet to be active at that distance from the Sun completely destroys the DST position that comet ISON's activity was due to sublimation .

So you are going to have to concede on that point. Or prove me wrong. And I am pretty sure I have all of that correct.

There is no way at all that comet ISON displayed comet activity at that distance due to sublimation. Period.

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