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Yeah the masses are stupid or at least "adverage". But most of the goverment are stupid too. So what the good of the masses of people being governed when those doing the governing are just as stupid. Its the blind leading the blind. For every one gem the goverment comes out with you get 99 turds.
The best way is small decentralised goverment that doesnt try to rule over too many people over to large a land mass. You need to limit faceless burrocracy too, beacuse as soon as goverment gets faceless it gets disconnected. Doesnt mean there shouldnt be public services or safety nets. But the goverment should be as least invasive as possible.
PlatinumShatinum
reply to post by AlienScience
How does me being stupid, as I am one of the masses, put any burden on you? Forcing overpriced insurance plans down my throat most definitely puts a burden on me.
The bottom line is that the medical professionals are over paid.
macman
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It was working. People paid for medical services. I believe house calls were common, and services were affordable.
In the past women's insurance plans never covered vasectomies... nor did they cover prostate exams... nor did they cover anything relating to the male reproductive system. Nor did men's insurance policies cover mammograms, pregnancy or OBGYN care. Adults policies never covered for pediatric wellness exams either. You are utterly stupid if you think this was the case. It's the case now... thanks to the ACA but it never used to be. There was a reason why women's health insurance was more expensive than men's... it was because they were more prone to using it and procedures like child birth, caesarian sections, child birth and pregnancy issues (which are incredibly costly) hysterectomies and the list goes on. Never was it factored in that men pay for women's procedures, or vice versa, or that children's coverages costs were factored into premiums on male or female policies you are utterly wrong.
What most people including myself are upset about is the fact that any choice in our preference has been stripped away, I don't want to pay for mammograms, or pediatric care for myself or my son, I don't want to have to pay premiums for my wife or my daughters to have coverage for prostate exams.
OMsk3ptic
There is a 0% chance Obamacare gets repealed in 2014. First, Obama is in office until 2016. Second, Obama hates Americans, if Obamacare is doing us harm, then Obama is doing his job.
macman
reply to post by AlienScience
It was working. People paid for medical services. I believe house calls were common, and services were affordable.
Don't you remember, this is the point in time which you laughed and mocked me for mentioning.
Look, I understand you love you some 0bama and more Govt control, but as you will see over the next little bit, most people don't.
You fear life and all that might come with it. Thus bringing your want and push for Govt run health care.
You may look forward to life under the thumb of Govt, but again, many many don't.
I guess you are either too scared to live or not intelligent enough to do so.
I'm an advocate for single payer...but I understand why we needed the ACA first.
I don't think any liberal wanted the ACA...it was the compromise that was needed to get something passed...and we needed something passed to stop the stories of kids dying because insurance companies screwed them over. The ACA is our better than nothing...and it will be temporary.
That still doesn't mean I am willing to stand by and let Right Wingers completely lie about it.
macman
reply to post by crazyewok
That is a farce.
Our wait times for service are were faster then other countries.
Our level of hospital based infections were lower as well.
macman
reply to post by crazyewok
You are confusing life with doing nothing.
I will work....let me repeat...I will Work to make my situation better and to take care of myself and the people that depend on me.
What you want is a life with no pain, no failure, no sacrifice, no responsibility and no anything.
Doesn't work that way.
I wouldn't want to live in such a mortal world. I understand that without those things, the other side of the coin doesn't mean as much.
macman
What you want is a life with no pain, no failure, no sacrifice, no responsibility and no anything.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by AlienScience
So your tactic to downplay or debunk these lies is to circulate new lies and disinformation? If you honestly believe that the ACA is a stopgap measure, why are you defending it so vehemently? If you understand that it is supposed to fail, then why are trying to downplay the very real issues that people in this thread are bringing up? You should be outing these same issues so that we can more quickly transfer to your perceived goal of having a singlepayer system.edit on 12-11-2013 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)