The Tea Party...Why are they so Dangerous?

The Tea Party...Why are they so Dangerous?

I'm surprised no-one has posted this. . . .

The Tea Party...Why are they so Dangerous?

We know kung -fu.

That's right.

I went there.

projectvxn
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

 

Sworn enemy of science?

Oh Really?

Yeah...Probably what you weren't expecting huh?

Yes, Really.

Seriously

It's a long term trend

Scientific literacy isn't the marker I was referring to, but the opposition of science in general.

Long ago (like the third link shows) scientists leaned a bit more to the right than the left. The increasing insanity and mental instability of the right has been pushing its rational and intellectual members more and more to the left.

Today's right is only pro science when it creates new ways to extract resources, increase wealth, or build new weaponry, while rejecting or combating science that could advance humanity and it's knowledge.

Is the left anti-science too? Yep. I've read crap spewed by the looney left that I had to re-read because it was pure pseudo-scientific garbage. But the left does not wage a war against science and reason anywhere near the levels that the right does. They do reject science in favor of superstition or tradition. At least not on the level the right does.

I mean, for god's sake, look at Michelle Bachman. I won't argue that Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein are braindead, clueless vegetables that shouldn't be running for the special Olympics, let alone public office. But they are no where in the league of complete jaw dropping spine tingling insanity that the likes of Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman are. Pelosi and Feinstein give me headaches and make my blood pressure rise listing to their tripe. Bachman and Palin need to be medicated and kept away from sharp objects.

reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


we dont oppose science, just bullshiz from communists about climate change.

reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


Opposition to science?

I'm not opposed to science. As a matter of fact science, in general, is the cornerstone of our society. Most understand this. Scientific literacy is essential to that understanding.

That said, what many of us take issue with, and it boils down to scientific literacy, is when someone says "there's no debate anymore" and "the science is settled." Neither sentence exemplifies scientific literacy. Furthermore, while I accept empirical data on climate change, I do not accept the proposed government-led solutions to it. Meaning, tax everything, set up punitive schemes that do little more than enrich a few oligarchs, and impose regulations on business that do NOTHING to stave off the effects of climate change as we understand it today.

I do understand that many on the right have the appearance of hostility toward scientific advancement, and some do. But I am not one of them. And neither are the many, many Tea Party members I know personally.

Your refusal to do anything to understand your opposition, and rather ridicule and demean is the basis of why there exists no reasoned debate in this country. Fueled, in part, by a left-wing media that is hostile toward traditional values, Constitutionalism, fiscal responsibility, and individualism. Preferring instead collectivist ideology, moral ambiguity, carefree spending, and law of convenience.

XPLodER

Krazysh0t
reply to post by XPLodER

 

So because we are being duped further and further into debt, it is all good because it grows the economy? But we shouldn't fix this deception because it will break the economy? Armageddon is a pretty strong word for what would happen if the economy had a contraction, especially since you have no idea what will happen if it does. I do know one thing though, the economy that would grow out of the result of our economy crashing would be much stronger and healthier than the one we have now.

you havent watched the you tube vid have you?
it explains very simply how the system works,
and why raising the debt ceiling had to happen in a system the relies on expansive debt.

if you hate debt you actually hate the debt system, not the amount of debt.

take every dollar in the usa and pay off every debt,
YOU NOW HAVE NO MONEY TO USE AS CAPITAL

end game
over

xploder

If I have a job and own my home and have no debt, I then have capitol. The government should maybe adopt a new system. Thiers isn't working.

buster2010

BenReclused
reply to post by buster2010

 

Sorry but when it comes to Queen of the nutcases Bachmann takes the cake.

There's no need to apologize. Your defense, though unfounded, of Mrs. Pelosi was quite predictable.

See ya,
Milt

It was no defense. Pelosi has never said any close to the crazy things Bachmann has said. Like when she said "Our founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery".

They both share the same brain you just don't know who has it and on what day.

reply to post by XPLodER


The problem with that video is a fundamental misunderstanding. When money goes to the fed, to pay the interest, that money is NOT taken out of circulation.

And that right there, makes the whole video fall apart.

Dfairlite
reply to post by XPLodER

 

The problem with that video is a fundamental misunderstanding. When money goes to the fed, to pay the interest, that money is NOT taken out of circulation.

And that right there, makes the whole video fall apart.

google,
fed balance sheet,
then come back and try again

duh

xploder

marg6043
reply to post by Zanti Misfit

 

America doesn't have a back bone anymore and when people like the TEA Party emerge and want to make a statement it gets hijacked by those that wants to keep the control and status Quo the way it is.

That is why I no longer follow the TEA party, once the money comes from interest groups Is no longer a group of we the people now is a tool.

Exactly....

The TP is being manipulated by powerful economic interests that don't have the TP or it's individuals members interests in mind. Just the opposite. The TP is now controlled by the Koch bos. An I don't trust them at all.

theweek.com...

I know that no one likes to feel chumped out that's exactly what the big money has done to the TP.

My local TP has become a fundamentalist Christian organization and all others are ostracized. I have been following my local TP since it's inception; And was at one time a member.
www.npr.org...

reply to post by FreeMason


And evolution, birth control, homosexuality, ect.

Climate change is about the only area of science where I agree with conservatives, for the most part.

XPLodER

google,
fed balance sheet,
then come back and try again

duh

xploder

And?

Here, maybe you should read this: media.npr.org...

reply to post by whyamIhere


EDIT TO ADD: I agree that most Tea Party citizens are well-intentioned. My remarks are about the Tea Party politicians and their backers/controllers.

That platform is little more than a series of slogans and meme-ready quotes. And that is their biggest problem. They have abstract demands with no tangible, practical way of bringing them to pass.

For example, it's simple to SAY "No more deficit spending" or "Balance the budget" "Eliminate the debt." It's a different matter to outline programs that need to be cut without ruffling a lot of feathers. It's especially difficult to pay off the debt while eliminating taxes, which is a good example of how the extreme bloviating of their elected mouthpieces is just empty sloganeering.

The problem with our budget is that unless you are willing to SERIOUSLY address military spending, medicare, and social security; you are just bailing out a cruise ship with a martini glass. You can cut welfare, education, the arts, the EPA, FDA and NASA to the bones and you still wouldn't have a balanced budget. ESPECIALLY if you threw in all the tax cuts these yahoos want.

So what you get are people elected on literally unkeepable promises who do not understand the (admittedly screwed up) legislative process or the economic realities of how our global game is played. As a result you have dangerous theatre like the shutdown and debt ceiling crises. Throw in the financial influence of the Koch Brothers and other big-money backers and you have a bunch of dangerous puppets.

Ultimately, my problem is that the Tea Party seeks to benefit from justifiable public frustration while refusing to educate the frustrated public on the true nature of our national situation. They over simplify complex problems, and as such promise things that can not be readily delivered, all while taking orders from their corporate overlords to help further worsen the situation for their angry supporters. But since the supporters are only watching what government does, never looking at how well their corporate overlords are doing, they keep voting for people who perpetuate their problems.

The Tea Party may not be perfect, may have people supplying the money that don't really aspire to the Tea Party's Principles and may offer some pretty poor candidates in elections.

That all being said...... I will take the TP over Either the Democratic Party or the Mainstream Republican Party.

I consider them the far lesser of Three Evils. If the Tea Party ever gets to a dominating position in American Politics, it can only help Average Americans when compared to the other Two Parties.

Look deep into your heart, who do you think would do the best job for America? The Two parties that have managed to run us into the ground financially by kicking the can continually down the road or someone who says, yes it's going to hurt for a while, but after that pain, things will be good. Both Parties couldn't agree on cuts that amounted to 2.4% of the Total Budget and both made it sound like the world was going to end, what makes you think they will do even more cuts? Government never voluntarily gets smaller on it's own, it's has to be led like a stubborn mule. Neither party seems capable of pulling that Mule, give someone else a shot.

RobertAntonWeishaupt
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

EDIT TO ADD: I agree that most Tea Party citizens are well-intentioned. My remarks are about the Tea Party politicians and their backers/controllers.

That platform is little more than a series of slogans and meme-ready quotes. And that is their biggest problem. They have abstract demands with no tangible, practical way of bringing them to pass.

For example, it's simple to SAY "No more deficit spending" or "Balance the budget" "Eliminate the debt." It's a different matter to outline programs that need to be cut without ruffling a lot of feathers. It's especially difficult to pay off the debt while eliminating taxes, which is a good example of how the extreme bloviating of their elected mouthpieces is just empty sloganeering.

The problem with our budget is that unless you are willing to SERIOUSLY address military spending, medicare, and social security; you are just bailing out a cruise ship with a martini glass. You can cut welfare, education, the arts, the EPA, FDA and NASA to the bones and you still wouldn't have a balanced budget. ESPECIALLY if you threw in all the tax cuts these yahoos want.

So what you get are people elected on literally unkeepable promises who do not understand the (admittedly screwed up) legislative process or the economic realities of how our global game is played. As a result you have dangerous theatre like the shutdown and debt ceiling crises. Throw in the financial influence of the Koch Brothers and other big-money backers and you have a bunch of dangerous puppets.

Ultimately, my problem is that the Tea Party seeks to benefit from justifiable public frustration while refusing to educate the frustrated public on the true nature of our national situation. They over simplify complex problems, and as such promise things that can not be readily delivered, all while taking orders from their corporate overlords to help further worsen the situation for their angry supporters. But since the supporters are only watching what government does, never looking at how well their corporate overlords are doing, they keep voting for people who perpetuate their problems.

edit on 20-10-2013 by RobertAntonWeishaupt because: (no reason given)

Wow, what a load of crap. You just lumped all of mainstream politicians problems onto the tea party. Sure, there are bad tea party candidates, bit for the most part they are doing just what we sent them to do.

Despite Democrats not wanting to balance the budget, the tea party demanded the sequester to ensure a balanced (or more balanced) budget came about. They've been willing to tackle all three, military, SS, and Medicare. Just because the left refuses to compromise doesn't make the tea party a failure. They want to cut a bunch of the other abc's as well, because they're not constitutional.

No one expects them to accomplish all of it on their first showing, but they need to show a good faith effort. Which, imo, they've done. They've tried to defund and repeal Obamacare, which is a huge reason they, along with other republicans were sent to Washington.

I don't get the obsession leftists have with the Koch brothers. It's like they believe if they say those words, they automatically win. News flash: you don't.

RobertAntonWeishaupt
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

EDIT TO ADD: I agree that most Tea Party citizens are well-intentioned. My remarks are about the Tea Party politicians and their backers/controllers.

That platform is little more than a series of slogans and meme-ready quotes. And that is their biggest problem. They have abstract demands with no tangible, practical way of bringing them to pass.

For example, it's simple to SAY "No more deficit spending" or "Balance the budget" "Eliminate the debt." It's a different matter to outline programs that need to be cut without ruffling a lot of feathers. It's especially difficult to pay off the debt while eliminating taxes, which is a good example of how the extreme bloviating of their elected mouthpieces is just empty sloganeering.

The problem with our budget is that unless you are willing to SERIOUSLY address military spending, medicare, and social security; you are just bailing out a cruise ship with a martini glass. You can cut welfare, education, the arts, the EPA, FDA and NASA to the bones and you still wouldn't have a balanced budget. ESPECIALLY if you threw in all the tax cuts these yahoos want.

So what you get are people elected on literally unkeepable promises who do not understand the (admittedly screwed up) legislative process or the economic realities of how our global game is played. As a result you have dangerous theatre like the shutdown and debt ceiling crises. Throw in the financial influence of the Koch Brothers and other big-money backers and you have a bunch of dangerous puppets.

Ultimately, my problem is that the Tea Party seeks to benefit from justifiable public frustration while refusing to educate the frustrated public on the true nature of our national situation. They over simplify complex problems, and as such promise things that can not be readily delivered, all while taking orders from their corporate overlords to help further worsen the situation for their angry supporters. But since the supporters are only watching what government does, never looking at how well their corporate overlords are doing, they keep voting for people who perpetuate their problems.

edit on 20-10-2013 by RobertAntonWeishaupt because: (no reason given)

you my friend have totally nailed it!!!
i thank you for putting into words something i have been thinking for a while.

have a star for your ability to tell it how you see it

respect
xploder

Why is the Tea Party so Dangerous?

Well, personally, I'm not a Christian, so I'd say the Christian right hijacking them to push their retarded social agenda. See Bachman and co. I want guns, gay marriage, abortion, the death penalty, REAL freedom of speech, and recognition that as a Pagan I'm worth just as much to this nation and economy as any Christian. The Tea Party is sane on exactly one of these issues. So yeah, I'd say they're just as dangerous as the Republicans. The Democrats... well, they're dangerous, and I feel really bad that I voted for them last time, but they're about 1 point lower on the evil scale.

That said, I'm voting for an independent next election, or writing in something.

The Tea Party is so dangerous because the ideology they exude is one of ignorance! They seem to not understand that we no longer live in 1910! The world is very different now and even more important LARGER!

They want the U.S. to run on a budget that was adequate for 1910. As silly as a person moving from a 2500sqft home to a 25000 sqft home and believing their expenses should remain the same. Pure stupidity!

They are so appalling to those such as myself because they also talk from their rectum. They desire less government...as long as it serves their values. Not taking into account their values are not shared by everyone else.

They don't seem to realize that the world and this country is changing at a fast pace. While this country may have been viewed as a "Christian" nation back in 1945...things have changed. The make up of the country is different and still changing. Leave it to Beaver households are no longer the norm.

reply to post by AlienScience


Good job. Tea party is like a monkey with a hand grenade. They think fascism will work better than monopoly. They think the countries economy is like a persons checkbook. They think that there is an argument between being a socialism or not.
Their like a weird religious group hoping for the end of the world, wanting to drink the kool aid to move things along faster

And whoever it were that mentioned they want to replace the new system with the old system nailed it also! They wish to go backwards...as many of us do. I wish to return to when I was 18 but we all know that is impossible.

The world is evolving so rapidly that America returning to Beaver days is impossible and dreaming to desire.

As we said in the Army, "Always forward"...

Dfairlite



I don't get the obsession leftists have with the Koch brothers. It's like they believe if they say those words, they automatically win. News flash: you don't.

It's not just the leftists that have a problem with the Koch brothers. We libertarians see thru their transparent agenda of Corporate fascism and actually trying to restrict Americans freedoms; their use of the Tea Party to further their agenda is despicable.

News flash....read this...

www.americanprogressaction.org...

I'll stay with the libertarians...I'd rather go back to the GOP than join the TP.