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Originally posted by astrocreep
I understand this inhibits the attention some seek for their cause but we are all citizens and none of us are entitled to more rights than other simply because it has been judged by a self-righteous few that we're wrong in our beliefs.
Do you still think your right to free speech is any more important than anyone elses?
Originally posted by Kidfinger
Another development for you Astrocreep. Before the patriot act, peaceful protest were only allowed on public property. It could not be done on private property. You couldnt go inside of KFC to boycott, but you could stand on the sidewalk infront of it with all the signs you wanted. This is not so now that we have the patriot act.
Originally posted by astrocreep
It maybe , in your opinion, but its the law. I personally think its one of the better liberties we have. If I don't like what someone is saying on TV, I have the right to turn it off. If I want to meet with a group of like minded people freely and legally, I can do so without harrassment and so can you the only catch is, I can't take that group of like minded people and burst in on you and your group, force you to hear what we think about what you're doing.
Originally posted by astrocreep
many city council leaders feel that people just don't like to spend their afternoon sitting in traffic because a protest has main street blocked.
Originally posted by astrocreep
So, its the fault of the people who are hassled by your protest that you're out there? Whoa, thats really reaching! Lokk, I have never said you did not have a right to protest and get your message out only that you don't have the right to force it upon those unwilling to hear it.
Originally posted by Damned
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Originally posted by astrocreep
You are so caught up in what you think and its evident you intend on forcing it on everyone else. So, you think that if you feel justified in protesting, then we should all be forced to here it whether we want to or not?
Am I the only one here who sees just how rediculous this ideology is?
Originally posted by astrocreep
Originally posted by Damned
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If the protest is against unfair government practice, everyone needs to hear it, period. It's everyones' concern, whether they like it or not. It concerns everyone in the nation.
Thats only your opinion..and no matter how convicted you are in it you are going to have to finally deal with the fact that there are those who could give a damn less what you think. There are those who would think your ideal government is unfair. You are so caught up in what you think and its evident you intend on forcing it on everyone else. So, you think that if you feel justified in protesting, then we should all be forced to here it whether we want to or not?
Am I the only one here who sees just how rediculous this ideology is?
oh man, why have I wasted half a dozen post explainignsomething to someone who doesn't have the capacity to comprehend this simplistic ideal?
Look, knock you self out with this power trip your on. I got other forums to check before I sign out for the day.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. www.law.cornell.edu...
Originally posted by Saerlaith
Protesting is part of being an american. It's not just one person's opinion, it's a tradition that is protected by our founding documents. here's what the Bill of Rights says:
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. www.law.cornell.edu...
Were the founding fathers on a power trip, or just wisely making sure americans would always have the right to call BS on the powers that be?
--Saerlaith
Originally posted by astrocreep
But I'm arguing for the same thing. The right to peacefully asemble..not to run into a peacefull assembly and force those who do not agree to hear you. If you asseble lawfully as per the consititution and spead your message, you will get a better response than forcing your ideology down the throats of the unwilling.
The right of free speech is not the right to be heard.
"People like me" still believe in that passage you just posted. The law allows us the right to do it so why must we break the law and take away the rights of others to do it simply because we don;t agree with them?
Originally posted by soficrow
Does anyone know exactly what rights we have that are still protected?
Originally posted by astrocreep
But I'm arguing for the same thing. The right to peacefully asemble..not to run into a peacefull assembly and force those who do not agree to hear you. If you asseble lawfully as per the consititution and spead your message, you will get a better response than forcing your ideology down the throats of the unwilling.
The right of free speech is not the right to be heard.
"People like me" still believe in that passage you just posted. The law allows us the right to do it so why must we break the law and take away the rights of others to do it simply because we don;t agree with them?
Originally posted by Kidfinger
America. Land of the free and home of the brave. This is how I was taught to believe this when I was still a child. I believed it. I believed while I watched president Regan get shot. I believed when G.Bush senior went to war in Iraq the first time. I believed it while Clinton was showing us all how a good president should rule, I even believed it when Clinton was impeached. My resolve was shaken in 2000, when Bush stole the presidency. This is when my belief started to waver and has been in a decline every since this time. My beliefes were shattered in 2004 when Bush recieved 51% of the popular vote. I believe this no more.
America is turning into Pre WWII Germany. Our reporters are being arrested and put in prison for not revealing thier sources. Tax breaks are being given to those who dont deserve them. Our environment is being raped for profits of the big conglomorate companies. Our freedoms are being stripped due to the patriot act (Versions 1 and 2). I said this in another thread, and Im saying it here as well. Soon, our soldiers will be goosestepping to a new beat, and any one who addresses the president will have to do so with a hearty SIG HIEL! SIG HIEL! SIG HIEL! SIG HIEL!
The United States is going to hell in a hand basket. Is there nothing, as citizens of this once great and proud country, can do to return to our past glory? I hope for my childs sake, and the sake of my future grand children that something is done about this oppressive situation we are in today.
Originally posted by Kidfinger
In all that bull headed post, not once did you get my name right Oh well, I guess Im glad Eastcoast kid caught hell for it instead This is great, you come in and try and rip me a new one and end up ripping someone else Your dedication to detail is much like Bushes dedication to being a good president. Half hearted.
Originally posted by Kidfinger
BWAAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA Oh my GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME Eastcoastkid and I are 2 different people I assure you. We have replied back and fourth between various threads for a few months now. I respect him, and I believe the respect is returned. What you read as our similar style is just that, a similar style. Probably why we can reply to eachothers post and not get al pissy if we dont agree. Every one else on this thread has been trying to have a somewhat civil discussion for the most part. If you want to do the same, thats great. I nvite you to join us. If you just want to throw insults and bull # at me or anyone else on this thread, then I must politely ask you to refrain from replying anymore.
Originally posted by Carseller4
[As I believe EastCoastKid and KidFinger are the same person, and are holding conversations with eachother