America and its last free breath. A Rant by the Kid.

America. Land of the free and home of the brave. This is how I was taught to believe this when I was still a child. I believed it. I believed while I watched president Regan get shot. I believed when G.Bush senior went to war in Iraq the first time. I believed it while Clinton was showing us all how a good president should rule, I even believed it when Clinton was impeached. My resolve was shaken in 2000, when Bush stole the presidency. This is when my belief started to waver and has been in a decline every since this time. My beliefes were shattered in 2004 when Bush recieved 51% of the popular vote. I believe this no more.

America is turning into Pre WWII Germany. Our reporters are being arrested and put in prison for not revealing thier sources. Tax breaks are being given to those who dont deserve them. Our environment is being raped for profits of the big conglomorate companies. Our freedoms are being stripped due to the patriot act (Versions 1 and 2). I said this in another thread, and Im saying it here as well. Soon, our soldiers will be goosestepping to a new beat, and any one who addresses the president will have to do so with a hearty SIG HIEL! SIG HIEL! SIG HIEL! SIG HIEL!

The United States is going to hell in a hand basket. Is there nothing, as citizens of this once great and proud country, can do to return to our past glory? I hope for my childs sake, and the sake of my future grand children that something is done about this oppressive situation we are in today.

If only I had a dollar for every time i heard the country is going to hell in a hand basket. People said Reagan was the anit-christ Ronald Wilson Reagan.

During the civil war some of the freedoms of americans were curtailed and during WWII. So that is not new and we are still free and not marching to a Nazi beat. Reporters have been thrown in jail before for not revealing their sources. Nothing new there. Our environment has always been raped for profit. Lewis and Clark started lying to the Indians from the very start in order to rape the land of its resources. The raping of resources has and is happening in every country on this planet. Nothing new there. And by the way Bsuh did not steal the election. Your own admission that Bush got %51 of the vote indicates we are not ruled by a dictator which is what Hitler was. Explain how you are being oppressed?

cryptorsa1001

Have you read the patriot act? Oh, and Hitler was elected by close to the same election percentage as bush was in 2004. I did not say that Bush got 51 % of the popular vote in 2000. I said he recieved this in 2004. He STOLE the election in 2000. He rules with the same tactics as Hitler. You are right that the environment is being raped everywhaere in the world. Does this make it right?

One more thing. I have NEVER heard of reporters being thrown in jail for not revealing thier resources. I have heard of fines for such actions, but not prison time. I believe freedom of press means that you are able to report your stories without revealing the identity of your sources if it could get the source in trouble. Think of it like the whistle blower act.

If you dont see your freedoms being taken from you, then A, you are not an American living in America, or B, You voted for Bush and are happy to give your freedoms away for a false sense of security.

[edit on 11/15/04 by Kidfinger]

KidFinger I live in America. I voted for Bush. Here is some info you might have checked before you posted. Jailed Reporters

I never said it was okay to rape the land, I just pointed out the fact that it was not unique to the Bush Administration.

I hold my freedoms dearly, I write my congressional leaders and voice my opinions to themand I vote. I am well armed and am willing to use force in order to protect my freedom if need be.

Bush did not steal the election. Post proof if that is what you believe.

Originally posted by Kidfinger
The United States is going to hell in a hand basket. Is there nothing, as citizens of this once great and proud country, can do to return to our past glory? I hope for my childs sake, and the sake of my future grand children that something is done about this oppressive situation we are in today.

You can bet, when a major militia forms, and prepares to fight to regain control of this country, I'll be on the front lines. I only hope something happens that alerts the ignorant masses to what's actually happening. Apparently, they need a slap in the head before they'll wake up.

I'm sure people felt the same way during WW1 when the US press was seriously clamped by the government.
Korea and Vietnam brought more of the same calls: America is doomed. America's on it's last leg of freedom, etc.
And now today...I see the chants are still being echoed, from the mentions of "civil war II" to now America is on it's last 'free' breath.....

Seems that when times get difficult or controversial, or remotely resembling 'tough' times....the echoes of the past are brought back to today and sang and chimed as 'new' and "this is the one, baby" or "Doom is upon us, beware...."

How nice of those such soothsayers.



seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Seems that when times get difficult or controversial, or remotely resembling 'tough' times....the echoes of the past are brought back to today and sang and chimed as 'new' and "this is the one, baby" or "Doom is upon us, beware...."

This is a bit different, IMO. We've never been in this particular type of situation, and it was caused by our bad leadership in the first place. Leadership that's continually gotten worse and worse over the years.

I would recommend taking either a course or doing some research into the Vietnam War...all 25 years of American involvement. The political and national valitility within the US is very much simular.




seekerof

cryptorsa1001

The only people who dont believe that Bush did not steal the election in 2000 are the people who voted for him. The proof is out there and has been posted so many times that it doesnt matter if I post it or not. You support Bush and are willing to give up your freedoms to be lulled into a false sense of security. You would not believe the proof I post anyway unless it was from FOX news network.

Damned,

I will be right there with you brother

Seekerof,

What are you a seeker of? Lies and deciete? The media WAS clamped down on during previous wars, but there were NEVER journalist thrown in PRISON for not revealing thier sources that I am aware of. I am not a soothsayer or a doom preacher. I just call it like I see it. Dont forget, almost the same amount of people that voted for Bush a few weekes ago, dont think he was the right choice for America. Half of America DID NOT want him to be our president. Im just presenting things as they are. The Patriot act is taking our freedoms. Our reporters of free media are being IMPRISONED, not thrown in jail for a few days. They are being threatened with PRISON if they dont reveal thier sources.

How nice of people like you to support a facist government.

Its nice to know that some of you are willing to give up what makes this country so dear.

Im so happy that the lose of personal freedoms rankes at the BOTTOM of Bush supporters list of American Ideals.

[edit on 11/15/04 by Kidfinger]

Before the Nazi parallels and shouts of "Sieg Heil Bush" continue, it might be helpful to ask survivors of truly repressive horrific governments if they feel this country is truly the mirror of Nazi Germany. We who have no idea what truly living in a fascist society is like might be enlightened by the opinions of those who know first-hand.

I am very interested what a Holocaust survivor would feel & say in response to your Nazi metaphors, Kidfinger.

Originally posted by Cassie Clay
I am very interested what a Holocaust survivor would feel & say in response to your Nazi metaphors, Kidfinger.

As am I. I draw these paralles on the bases of how Hitler was drawn into power and the aftermath of the Nazi control that proceeded Hitlers rise to power. The same thing is happening in America today. The same freedoms are being taken away. I mean no disrespect or offence to those that survived the terrible rule of the Nazi party.

I bring these parallels to light because I DONT want the U.S. to be a full blown facist state. I dont want another Hitler, and I hoe something can be done about it befor its to late.

Originally posted by Cassie Clay
I am very interested what a Holocaust survivor would feel & say in response to your Nazi metaphors, Kidfinger.

Bush's agenda is very different than Hitler's, since it doesn't really include genocide, yet. You can't compare the two wars. However, you can compare the leadership tactics of the two men.

[edit on 15-11-2004 by Damned]

Originally posted by Cassie Clay


I am very interested what a Holocaust survivor would feel & say in response to your Nazi metaphors, Kidfinger.

Soros is a Nazi survivor - he put up about 23 million dollars to help stop Bush, because he knew from experience the Bush Reich is unfolding almost exactly like Hitler's Third Reich.


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Originally posted by soficrow
Soros is a Nazi survivor - he put up about 23 million dollars to help stop Bush, because he knew from experience the Bush Reich is unfolding almost exactly like Hitler's Third Reich.

Do you have any more info on this? I havent heard this one before.

newpaper.asia1.com.sg...
timesofindia.indiatimes.com...
sfgate.com.../c/a/2004/10/29/MNGQD9I69P1.DTL

As Benjamin Franklin once said. Those willing to give up their freedoms for security deserve neither freedom or security.

We have given up our freedoms for security. Therefore we deserve neither. And what do we have? Neither. Homeland security is a joke, and there are more terrorists than ever... we are not secure. And the patriot act convieniently strips away a few basic rights of man. FBI don't need warrants to go through your life.

The development of political parties in the US has killed it. They do to win for the party. They don't do to win for the country.

The US has fallen from grace. The US is not looking at staying competitive with the EU or China. Meanwhile the US is bankrupting itself on the war on terrorism. We will not be a superpower in 15 years with this sort of social mentality. We need to grow up from the "I hate you dad, teenager" stage.

Am I unpatriotic for criticizing the country instead of loving it blindly? No.

"The government is merely a servant� merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them" - Mark Twain

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering


[edit on 15-11-2004 by Galvatron]

Cassie Clay,

Here is a quote I found from G. Soros. The Holocost survivor mentioned earlier in the thread.

"The supremacist ideology of the Bush Administration stands in opposition to the principles of an open society, which recognize that people have different views and that nobody is in possession of the ultimate truth. The supremacist ideology postulates that just because we are stronger than others, we know better and have right on our side. The very first sentence of the September 2002 National Security Strategy (the President's annual laying out to Congress of the country's security objectives) reads, 'The great struggles of the twentieth century between liberty and totalitarianism ended with a decisive victory for the forces of freedom and a single sustainable model for national success: freedom, democracy, and free enterprise.'"

That says it all.

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's look at how many times we've been misled. How much more evidence do you need? This regime has done nothing but mislead us.

www.misleader.org...

Here is another quote from Soros.

President Bush has shown that he is incapable of recognizing his mistakes. He insists on making reality conform to his beliefs even at the cost of deceiving himself and deliberately deceiving the public. There is something appealing in the strength of his faith, especially in our troubled time. But the cost is too high. By putting our faith in a President who cannot admit his mistakes we commit ourselves to the wrong policies. We are the most powerful nation on earth. No external power, no terrorist organization, can defeat us. But we can defeat ourselves by getting caught in a quagmire.

www.georgesoros.com...


This is a holocost survivor that was willin togive up his entire billion dollar fortune to keep Bush from getting re-elected. If a holocost survivor is saying these things, then I would assume that my view of America becoming a facist state under the rule of Bush, is not that far off the mark.

By the way, BIG THANKS to GoreGrinder He knows what for

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Cassie Clay,

Here is a quote I found from G. Soros. The Holocost survivor mentioned earlier in the thread.

"The supremacist ideology of the Bush Administration stands in opposition to the principles of an open society, which recognize that people have different views and that nobody is in possession of the ultimate truth. The supremacist ideology postulates that just because we are stronger than others, we know better and have right on our side. The very first sentence of the September 2002 National Security Strategy (the President's annual laying out to Congress of the country's security objectives) reads, 'The great struggles of the twentieth century between liberty and totalitarianism ended with a decisive victory for the forces of freedom and a single sustainable model for national success: freedom, democracy, and free enterprise.'"

That says it all.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, I'm sure his interest in affecting the election had absolutely *nothing* to do with his demonstrated pattern of trying to shake up governments around the world using extreme financial tactics--tactics which have garnered him countless billions of $$$ (which doesn't hurt, does it?)
George Soros:
*) Does not support Israel
*) Has blamed Jews themselves for Anti-Semitism and has been called an Anti-Semite himself
*) Opposed the reunification of Germany & tried to effect this with his financial policies
*) His financial maneuverings have resulted in massive unemployment & ruin worldwide...he is credited as the man who "Broke The Bank Of England"
*) He has the obsessive goal of creative a utopian "Open Society" that will "shape" the world (as he sees fit).
I posit that he has more motivation$ for "buying out" the Democratic Party & unseating Bush than his pontifications. If Kerry got elected based on Soros's financial support--would that not make him indebted in some way to the billionaire & his socialist policies & vision?
Here is a page with info on Soros & links to mainstream news sources. The page itself is right-wing, but the links are mostly mainstream news & quotes from Soros's own website.
www.freerepublic.com...
Soros's opinion & philosophy is hardly representative of Holocaust survivors in general, I would reckon. And I'm sure many Jewish survivors would have a lot to say about Soros himself.

Oh by the way, the Nazis started as a *Left-Wing* group, dedicated to Socialism, financed by interested outside parties that wished to effect the government as they saw fit--which sounds very familiar. Make no mistake, it's not just the Right that does this crap.