We want a NWO (or would accept)

reply to post by guidetube


OK. I've had my say. I don't agree that our love of liberty is nothing more than fear of someone taking something from us—but—whatever.

I only ask that you build your NWO fences so that no one gets out; I can assure you that the rest of us will not be wanting to get in....

so OP, are you suggesting a New World Order like the TransPacific Partnership aims to provide ??

all this secrecy and global agenda being set without anyone's input except those who stand to benefit the greatest ?? is this really what you think would be beneficial to the poorest amongst us ??

the biggest problem with sacrificing liberty is once it is gone, it's gone.
and to regain that which was lost always involves bloodshed.
there is no such thing as a test drive.

i too have pondered a new ideology many a day, however, the truth is ... whatever the choice, it will ALWAYS be chaos as we are animals just as any other. like it or not, humans are born vicious, aggressive, predators who are surviving on the same food chain as every other animal out there.
(yes, babies are cute and adorable & vicious little creatures when they're hungry )

it is not a matter of 'sharing and caring' as much as it is 'survival' and not necessarily 'of the fittest'.

Agenda 21 is very real and well on its way to completion.
the TPP is soooo good that (cough) China and Japan want to be involved.

if you are unfamiliar, learn what you can (much of it is secret on purpose) but here's a link touting it's wonderful intent ... so one should ask, then why is it soooo secret ???

really, unless you concede that humans are still very much animals, you will struggle for an answer as every philosopher before you has.

ps. i shouldn't have to suggest it, but please don't take the story i linked as a real description of what the TPP is about or intends to achieve.
and, in light of that, you'd also have to ask, why now ?
after 200+ yrs of proclaiming the US is the enemy of the world, what gives ?

ETA -- almost forgot, you make no mention of who would be controlling the resources and without that answer, the rest is a pipedream.

If it's anything like the the one suggested by H.G. Wells, maybe.

Oddly enough, the group (cabal?) associated with that moniker now is likely that most opposed to what Wells proposed.

What's funny is that Well's book almost sounds like he predicted some aspects of modern internet groups like Anonymous. In some ways the H.G. Wells model also points towards a de-centralization of government. Different than the current status-quo NWO with power brokers behind the scenes. Instead it's more of a public means of operation and discussion on forums by anyone and anybody much like what we're using here and now.

So whether or not a NWO would be acceptable depends on whose NWO model gets established.

Like a ant farm.

I give it to you for trying but I don't see it working. Greed motivates more than most understand. The systems in place require that some stay at the bottom and our nature keeps it that way. The world is divided by ideas and religion even within countries there is no way to break down all the walls we have constructed unless something big happens that threatens our survival as a species and it would have to be something obvious like alien invasion things like pollution or nuclear meltdowns just wouldn't cut it.

Thanks grim its harder than you know for me as I am conflicted between a feeling that suffering and divide is embarrassing for us and should be changed and also wanting us to be the best we can be and have the best we can get. Its been a nice challenging discussion even if people see flaws in my logic.

Its in a way I feel people / TPTB are selfish wanting to hold on to their perceived freedom when in fact even today we can be looked at as an ant farm with limited freedom.

I feel we as humans not animals could do better, something where we are not at the mercy of a few but more content but also curious enough to create a vibrant and open NWO fair to all but not at the cost of the life we have been lucky enough to be given.

I would love a swimming pool for practical reasons , I would hard for such luxuries to improve my life but I wouldn't want 100 bedroom house for the sake of it and others. I couldn't be happy in that house knowing suffering is so far from where I was.

I fear with the problem of the divide and the want to hold onto what we have we are heading for a problem.

Your use of certain words doomed the thread from the start....

Having a complete one world order is actually a really good way to go, No war between countries being one of the more compelling reasons and why would a countries laws have to be abolished and a new system set up?

Doomed this is a success for me lol.
Truly when im split in my mind I mix all my meanings

Like I can envisage a NWO set by the UN that could work, or by religion or even by the people: each have their flaws such as corruption, manipulation and unlikelihood!

I really think we have to get a grip of security, division and moral compass as I feel we as a society should have developed enough to work through such problems. The problem always seems to boil down to the agenda, laws and governance. Is it right and can we trust it.

And that tricky one liberties and freedom which I respect but don't believe we can have totally (if you have a conscience or respect others liberties)

I understand that the world needs to keep turning and by changing things we risk taking a step back.

NWO is about losing control to your government on a global scale. Basically you are told how to live your life, how to spend your money, and where you can and cannot work. It's very specific and the US is heading there very quickly. An NWO means that the central banks or even if it won't be... Someone out there has supreme control and Earthicans are to bow down to them. There are many that are happy to live blindly and happy to be controlled. I like to live in a secluded area away from the city, but with a socialist empire ruling at you, you no longer have that freedom. NWO is also about population control, do you want to be controlled that way? Maybe if you're suicidal you wouldn't care, but most of us do. Then again, the government has done an excellent job at making most people depressed and suicidal so I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit of people out there that are desperate for control of some sort since people in that kind of mental state clings onto control.

But hey, what do I know? I only live in what is quickly becoming the most socialist country in the world.

Would enough accept an NWO? NWO laws in exchange for a brighter future.

People fight an NWO because of rules but does this mean they are stopping a brighter future for millions?
What they fight against is possibly just but isn't also trying to act.

So those who fight NWO are the barrier. Governments fight the peoples NWO and those in a position of comfort fight the governments NWO. Seems another rigged game.

Should we help if it means going against our beliefs or should we stick with our beliefs and forget any suffering caused as the lesser evil.

a reply to: guidetube

And who will be in control of this NWO for peace? The same people who were creating the wars in the first place.

"Order out of Chaos"

Why do the poor suffer in the first place? Because of government control of the land instead of allowing each person to farm freely as humans did for thousands of years.

a reply to: guidetube

I fully support the idea of the NWO, the one so many people fear and say is evil and controlled by TPTB. It is all doom porn mostly!! It will be more efficient and dutiful in the long run. It will remove ridiculous culture differences or segregation, enhance society and offer a progress rate far beyond our current level!

Ill tell you why it would suit my life and my way of thinking (and these are only MY reasons, NOONE need agree)

1) There are 7+ billion people on this planet...NO NEED for at least half
2) I hope they remove all those that believe in a "mainstream" religion (as they will)
3) Whoever is left is treated equally men and women! (As the useless have been removed)
4) You must filled a specified need in life..NO bums NO jobless losers, NO welfare, NO excuses
5) Progress will be faster and life will be more expansive
6) Crimes can be punished by termination of life and liberty
7) Money can be dissolved so your hard work will always be yours and not played with by fraudsters
8) A unified government would allow laws and freedoms to be equal throughout the remaining population
9) Licenses for births will be mandatory so we don't have problems like India, china and those culture that like to spawn multiple children all over the place.

This is just a thought and a start that could easily be expanded upon.

originally posted by: madenusa
If you cross the north korean border illegally,you get 12 years hard labor.
If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally you get shot...
2 Americans got 8 years for crossing into Iran.
If you cross over to the US border illegally you get a job
a driver license
food stamps
a place to live
health care
child benefits
Education & tax free business income for 7 years,
No wonder we are in debt..........

lol great post

originally posted by: guidetube
I will leave ideologies for another thread.

So, ideologies...

NWO is a good ideology. It's the idea that in order for the human race to continue into the future, over 6 billion humans have to die. You're right, because if 6 billion humans do not die, and we continue to burn stuff to generate electricity and means of locomotion, then we will all inevitably die.

I think what you should do is look into what the plan for the NWO actually is, and then get back. Personally, I like the idea of the human race going forward alive rather than dead. GO NWO!!!

U have the natural selfishness of the human mind to fight agenst its really easy to say it but another thing to put it into practice let my generation the 20 year olds fix the # the old fossils have caused cuz my generation will either fix the world u guys screwed up for us or destroy it and the future looks very dark and cold to me so good luck fixing this sad sad planet a reply to: guidetube

a reply to: guidetube

The act of governing begins with self-governing. The problem with revolutions is that if you try to include everyone, you get a bunch of unnecessary noise, but the minute you begin to discriminate and to select better governors than the majority of opinionated people, you can be accused of elitism and oppression. The real problem we have is that government has basically remained the same, or at least very similar for the past 6000 years. Whether it is Monarchy or Republicanism, you have a council of people making decisions for everyone else upheld by military force. We need to outmodel this mechanism, rendering it irrelevant.

I propose a purely ecnomic model. You begin by making mutually owned corporations which are founded upon the ideology of a stateless society which advance people based upon an initiation model. Only those people who agree with the premises of economic mutualism and statelessness are ever even let on to the fact that the primary purpose of the corporation is revolution instead of profitability.

You start by giving the workers 20% more than your capitalist counterparts and selling your product for 10% cheaper and you incrementally work towards a system where workers get 100% of the profits and consumers get their products almost at cost. You take over one business at a time, one community at a time and you set up internal mechanisms whereby workers can air grievances and have penalties awarded to them for crimes committed against them by either their coworkers or workers from other companies in the community.

Eventually, you can create fully charitable organizations based on gift economics which workers can receive pay to volunteer for. The governments of the world will see this as a huge advantage because they are getting their infrastructure restored at no cost to the tax payers. Eventually, you start funding affiliated anarchist organizations that can create political crises like a crisis of legitimacy for the rulers that lord over you, leading towards a reduction of support and power of the government in their local communities. Eventually, you have enough economic power that you stop paying taxes to the governments of the world and you begin issuing your own currency.

By the time the world realizes that you are strong enough to threaten the OWO, it will be too late.

a reply to: Mon1k3r

There are means of locomotion and energy storage and/or release that do not require exploiting basic oxidative principles. The lie that modern society is the only way human beings can be living is what makes your ideology seem sensible. In reality, humanity should overspill the shores of this planet, filling the cosmos with trillions of talented and illuminated individuals. Our prosperity when our talents coalesce will be more brilliant than the light of all the suns.

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: Mon1k3r

There are means of locomotion and energy storage and/or release that do not require exploiting basic oxidative principles. The lie that modern society is the only way human beings can be living is what makes your ideology seem sensible. In reality, humanity should overspill the shores of this planet, filling the cosmos with trillions of talented and illuminated individuals. Our prosperity when our talents coalesce will be more brilliant than the light of all the suns.

Oh yes, there are many means of energy creation that have nothing to do with combustion. This has been true since BEFORE Tesla. The improvements on these technologies have been made over the last century, and they are ready for production. However, the people who stole these technologies from greats like Tesla and Farnsworth are keeping them for themselves until after the culling. Why would they want to provide infrastructure to these uneducated, ignorant fools that they've created by crushing all spirituality and creativity?

The plan for the NEW WORLD ORDER only includes contingencies for those who are CHOSEN to continue after most of us are dead. Why would anyone believe that these ruling elite would have any interest in including the common people in their reindeer games?

I cannot see ISIS taking orders from the NWO, or the Chinese, or the Russians, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, or any other block of nations with a spine, especially when food stocks get with-held by the NWO from 'naughty' nations, too much ammunition and weapons in some parts of the world.

a reply to: Nechash

OWO holds back a NWO. There are no easy answers. We have resources and safety concerns first which win over our wants and ideas.

Our governors who are part of our society protect their interests. Their interests are to succeed in government but also personal goals. Some people don't want the spoils of their success but rather change the game. Ideas are given but the path and consequences are difficult and the support ideas need fail.

So we are stuck by our needs and the personal goals of our leaders.

A NWO Global world order would eliminate many threats and shouldn't require a cull. It would require order but the leaders would be trapped by our interests and hopefully of be of better standard.

Foes such as ISIS wouldn't stand a chance if China, Russia, Americas, Europe, Persia, Africa and Asia people united under a Global World Order.

Don't we trust our leadership enough to go there or are our differences so great?