We want a NWO (or would accept)

I will try a new thread see if it is of interest or makes sense to someone

I had a thought the other day that actually we, the majority, would like a NWO, a direction were we can feel positive about, such as the race to the moon but on a grander scale.

It is actually the powers that be who are taming that thought as they see that as a threat to their powers. The ones with the most have the most to lose.

I think they would become very scared very quickly if a global movement kicked off. Obviously I don't know what form such a movement would take or it would be done already but I presume it would be a global leveling of the playing field, a setting of goals that the majority agree with and work towards.

Imagine a movement where we sacrificed current liberties in favour of wiping out poverty. We would suffer a little but the poor would benefit immeasurably. TPTB would not be in favour of such a movement.

I understand this is maybe not the answer as power would corrupt and even though we may have the means to do something like this we could be tricked by a nation who would then use our good will to their advantage. Also I have beliefs that the powerful should strive for more as they set the boundaries for the poor. Such as technology and science not waste and greed.

Finding a balance between equality, safety, liberties and fulfilling potential is for me very interesting.
We are being told that our way is the best and there is no alternative but I don't think that is so.



Would love to hear peoples thoughts on these things that I wonder over

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TPTB are the NWO. Just before this little paradise you speak of comes to fruition come the piles of bodies, starvation, disease........
So yeah i want all this stuff too........

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No thanks.

Just another clever Pyramid scheme. Same as the one used today.

Im not speaking about my ideas for a NWO, I have found from here that they are flawed but I continue to consider them and try to improve: I think its a good process. I will leave ideologies for another thread. Im concerned more with the TPTB holding back or would hold back a better ideology that meant sacrificing their liberties even in the face of the will of the people.

I also feel that they have there own vision for a NWO, many argue already in place, many arguing its close but most agreeing it leaves them in charge and bigger gaps in society.

I certainly do not want to see death or destruction as I want my kids to have choices and security. I feel it would be TPTB that would instigate such things trying to stop a movement,

Sounding a bit biblical I know, but its easy to predict that the masses may revolt but the powers will hold on by force as best they can.

Are the powers to be aware that the people could revolt and are trying to actually maintain their WO or start their NWO rather than letting our NWO spread...

Personally I would hope if such a thing possible as a peoples revolt or NWO that it would be so positive and right ideology the majority of TPTB would lay down arms join.

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For the 275th time, I think I know where this is going. And I get off right here.

You're just talking about another type of socialist order. We've seen too many already. In similarly simple terms: If we'd been able to hold onto all our God-given liberties in the first place, there wouldn't be any poor. I'm not voluntarily giving up a DAMN one in some doomed hope that it will bring forth puppies and rainbows for all.

Don't get me wrong: We all love puppies and rainbows. But....

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Hey I really appreciate that post actually its exactly what troubles me. I don't want to give up my liberties either and sometimes think it would be better if we were even more proactive in protecting them.

That's exactly what I mean when I mention I have been shown the flaws in my thinking, its not conceivable we all drop our day jobs hug and feed the poor but my question was is that TPTB manipulating us to this thinking this? Is it not so inconceivable? Could someone come up with an ideology that united people like yourself with religious nuts with socialist thinkers? Would they (and I mean religious leaders, presidents etc) get defensive even in the face of a proper well thought out and celebrated movement?

I mean if for example the east rose together with a commu view and said give up your day job I might think yeah they are just jealous of my lifestyle and I would protect it. But if they came up with something that meant just small liberties or little liberties were effected and poverty was reduced I might think its something I could join up to but then others and TPTB would think no way as if we give a little we might lose a lot.

You follow me? Appreciate your comments and please don't think I am trying to socialize the earth as , I like having opportunity to excel, I think diversity and differences is important. But I also have feel we can have that and improve poverty of the world to more acceptable levels.

If you cross the north korean border illegally,you get 12 years hard labor.
If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally you get shot...
2 Americans got 8 years for crossing into Iran.
If you cross over to the US border illegally you get a job
a driver license
food stamps
a place to live
health care
child benefits
Education & tax free business income for 7 years,
No wonder we are in debt..........

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OK. Rather than get into a detailed give-and-take that could go on forever: First look up Agenda 21 on the United Nations website.

Sounds peachy, doesn't it?

Now go look around on the rest of the web, and see what they really have in mind. Now, really do some research—there are a lot of good Youtube videos, for instance; there are Texas congressmen, and mom-and-pop businesses, and entire impoverished towns that will tell you it sounded pretty darn good... until they let it happen.

And all they had to do was give up a few minor liberties....

The problem is that we have that in America. All the states gave their power to a central or New World-Order...American was the New World and this is our Order. We did wipe out poverty to an extent but we created a welfare state in many areas...we did provide amazing police protection but we also created a police state that spies on us and knows our every move and thought. We did create peace and lack of wars but we created an industrial military complex that knows no boundries and is above the law. We did create culture and cities and infrastructure the universe has never seen but we created urban blight as well. A new World Order would be the USA of today. Is this what you want?

madeinusa I tend to agree with you, we are better than most but we are have also most to lose. I don't think its as simple as turn up and get a job, America protects its borders probably more than anyone. I would prefer any ideology would be more western in nature than barbaric that's for sure

ex ct2 thanks for revisiting Im really liking your input you probably don't think so but you are following my thinking to a certain degree I am pleased to get such good responses to my thoughts which help me consider this topic better.

anyway agenda 21 does sound peachy but as you say this is the best they can come up with and already people are prepared to manipulate any such movement if in fact its not the propose of the agenda. "we will help we will protect we wont take your liberties" "oh actually we need you to only eat bread this month because we messed up" Its not caused the massive positive people movement I consider possible.

First and foremost I think we should always protect our interests, the main reason I consider "better ideologies" other than an impossible utopia or a completely controlled NWO. I would rather people chose not to waste rather than be forced not to waste.

I feel TPTB, the rich, and to some extent most of the 1st world are rushing ahead slightly greedily and I consider an ideology that maintains freedom, safety and liberty as well as raising poverty can be more globally accepted rather than shunned as impossible.

I feel we are missing an opportunity or possibly being blocked whilst TPTB try to maintain our current lifestyles which looks like it could fail anytime.

maybe its TPTB that block it maybe its actually ourselves avoiding it as either seems impossible.

but again I don't think any proper agenda or ideology has really been tabled apart from NWO which is flawed as TPTB probably will manipulate it.


Im sorry if Im dragging you in to the conversation you tried to avoid.

What gives police authority to beat my head, shoot, or Taze me?
What gives the president the authority to declare an emergency and militarily force all people to comply with his rules?

Does it come from the people; in the form of the consent of the governed to be ruled by force?

Well, one might very well answer yes to this question after enduring a selective public education sponsored by that same government authority.
But what if 49% of the people do not agree with that lawful authority?
Must they really just grin and bear its tyranny, even if the corruption in that government is so blatant and scattered all over the news as to be a way of life instead of just random events?
Can the quorum of voices of the people through their “representatives” in Congress really force all of the people to comply with its will and law through the military rule of the Executive?

Does that really sound like a free country to you – where your liberties can be stripped away from you by the vote of the other people in a majority over you? Is that a republic?

I am apparently “the people”, though I have no voice…

But if finally I were to then challenge the authority of the President of the United States himself… to whom would he then point above him?
Is it possible that there is a power higher than the President that he claims to receive his authority from?
Of course, his public answer and claim of authority would be derived in full circle back to the fallacious lowest level of the “consent of the governed” – the power of the people as a body politic of one, with only one voice – despite the 10′s or 100′s of millions who do not agree..........

What happens if I don’t agree that 51% of the people can vote to allow a corrupt government to take away my liberties, especially on known-to-be-rigged computer voting machines?
So where can I possibly be directed to at this point to ask the people - after following this chain of mythical authority all the way to the top level of U.S. President and finally back to myself – where as part of a group of people without knowledge or comprehension I somehow authorize myself to be abused, mistreated, extorted from, stolen from, kidnapped, imprisoned, quarantined, and even killed?

Where, oh where does this authority come from?

Now that I know that the President’s power derives from myself, as one of the people, I still have the same question: Who or what gives authority to government? And for that matter, who or what gives authority to the people or to the Constitution of the United States?

I know what the answer is not, because it certainly is not me! And yet I am supposedly lumped in as a part of the people…?
You see, we must realize that civil legal law and code – the law of men – is a law that cannot be enforced except with the use of violent force and duress. After all, what good is a Congress or a Judicial opinion if that opinion or law is not backed up by an army of security guards to force the people into accepting and obeying those laws and opinions?

So the first hard lesson we all need to comprehend is that any and all man-made law absolutely requires the force of law, either defensive or offensive.
For voluntary taxes to be paid, punishments and consequences must be made to force payment of those voluntary taxes – for who would voluntarily pay for and support their own tyranny and enslavement unless forced or manipulated by govern-ment ...........(mind control)

I have evening chores to do, so I have to leave soon.

Here, in my opinion, is the false premise: A great collectivist society would actually, really work. But doggone it, we just haven't hit upon the right one yet.

In answer to that, I'm claiming that, contrariwise, a monolithic republic of laws—laws that truly apply to everyone equally, and incorporating our God-given rights—is the best we as humans have come up with to date. (I won't go into how being too trusting of the motives of our fellow-travelers has failed us too many times.)

Let me just leave you with a few words from über-crank, libertarian, and investigative journalist Jon Rappoport:

Matrix, Orwellian Freedom, Surveillance, Corrupting Language

[...]

The Surveillance State is also, of course a system. It’s based on the premise that ALL freedom has to be monitored and tracked.

Meanwhile, modern "democratic" elites have redefined freedom. This is at the heart of what they’re doing.

They want freedom to mean "doing the right thing for the greatest good of the greatest number." Never mind that such a re-framing is a complete non-sequitur. In the social engineering game, the op goes this way: "Every person would use his freedom to do the right thing; therefore, coercing people to do it is part of freedom."

It’s Orwellian. It makes no sense. But that’s what’s on the table. "Let’s eliminate the ‘choice’ part of freedom and go directly to what a free person would do and make that into ideal and necessary behavior."

The Surveillance State classifies those who disagree as threats.

Asserting freedom as a pure and independent value raises a red flag.

Freedom isn’t a system.

It’s something very different. Therefore, it has to be stamped out.

. Over the past 65 years, a tremendous amount of propaganda has been devoted to redefining freedom as "what freedom should lead to": Behavior. Brainwashed college students are essentially taught: "Forget the free part of freedom. Let’s skip that. It’s unimportant. Let’s go right to the question of what freedom should produce. That’s why we’re here. That’s what we’re going to learn. It’s a short-cut. We’re going to tell you what any decent and correct human being would do with his freedom, so you can do it."

[...]

amazing: this is not what I want but I see your point I think. Western society does have its problems but for the most it works better than others at least for its people. I would like an ideology that really creates a positive vibe for us and the poor for example. I would also like to keep as much freedom as possible although I have to agree with laws.

I think government get there powers from us, we let TPTB have a certain control if they are reasonable with it. I think pushing that trust is risky for America but still not close to an uprising.

As the thread suggests we possibky want a NWO but one that is fairer to us, that doesn't take anything away from us but also helps the suffering of people. Its been proposed such as agenda 21 but its not been embraced and TPTB are only looking to hold on to power, to pass the power on how they see fit. Its been talked down and fear has been associated with it rather than joy.

I think a proper NWO will need to be a people movement that hopefully doesn't cause chaos but the fear and predictions are it will.

I fear that the east or the poorer will get even more distanced and will figure out they may as well go against us.

A common NWO concept (say Agenda 21) occurring might be welcome but so long as it doesn't get out of control
A utopian NWO concept (say religious type) occurring might be welcome if it doesn't sacrificing what we have achieved
A status quo is not realistic IMO as we the world has changed to much in the last 100 years.

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My liberties will not be taken away!

Period.

To cede our freedoms, our liberties, our principles, our values our morals, is a disgusting concept to even conceive!

Have fun with your NWO, I will not participate.

Originally posted by guidetube
A utopian NWO concept (say religious type) occurring might be welcome if it doesn't sacrificing what we have achieved
A status quo is not realistic IMO as we the world has changed to much in the last 100 years.

World War (3) and its purpose of pitting the people (races) of all nations against each other.
For the true goal in the mysteries is to establish (phoenix rising) a one world religion out of the ashes of a religious war between these “racial cloaks” called religions.
The Temple is being rebuilt upon the Mount, with the purpose of inciting world Islam against the now unholy alliance of Christians and the false Jews who claim the Kingdom of Jerusalem (Israel), which we call international Zionism.

As we look around the world and view the tainted media and its “news”, as well as the so-called “Christian” evangelism promoting Israel at all costs,
we see the Islamic world spreading while the now Zionist governments of once racially exclusive nations like Sweden, Germany, France, and England become overrun with Muslim immigrants.

we can see the plan shaping up and unfolding as the battlefield is being set for a holy religious war on an international scale, all centered around Jerusalem (Israel) and its holy Temple on the Mount recently reclaimed by the Masonic powers of the world after World War II.
How else do you create a holy racial religious war than to purposefully intermingle such racial religious foes until one race and religion is forced to fight for its very culture, life, and land? And what happens when you discover that this has been the plan for a very long time – to allow the common-blood “goyim” races to simply and ignorantly wipe each other off the map in a trumped up holy war?

I would like the OP to try to convince me as to why it would be important to give up my liberties and freedoms and values and principles.

Really.

What kind of argument would enable me to give up everything I value?

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It's hard to tell, but I think you may be missing my point entirely. I'm not saying that what we have is working. I'm saying it failed, as all republics in history have failed. Our Founding Fathers naively believed that our people's representatives, our officeholders, would necessarily be men of character who would have our best interests close to their hearts.

Obviously they were too trusting. Please look up the original 13th Amendment (not the one that everyone now thinks is the 13th Amendment). By this time (1812), it was becoming pretty clear that we shouldn't allow lawyers to write our laws. Shocking, right?

Anyway, with the loss of the 13th Amendment in the fire of 1812, it wasn't long until we lost our best shot at a New World Order. I believe that. And I still believe we could do it right, and do it on a planet-wide basis. I'd take that shot above a million more collectivist/socialist ideologies....

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Thanks mate. I just think that a New World Order or a One World Government would look exactly like the USA but with a touch of European Union. You'd still have your poor areas or third world areas but they'd be much better off there. You'd still have a police state, like you do in the US and Russian now but most people don't seem to mind that and it would go a long way to stopping Genocide. We don't do that here anymore. You'd get targeted drone strikes. I don't know. Just my two cents.

No Im following you like I said we want a NWO.

The NWO has failed by TPTB.
We do not have the freedom as people say but we protect it anyway??

We have the possibility to try a new way, gladly give up some perceived freedoms to gain a real freedom but with global laws. Now these global laws would have to be great to be followed by enough people to take effect.

Can the people start a new ideology that is shunned by religion and TPTB?


The reason I feel this is important and I guess why others would like to see changes is because of the suffering, the injustices, the dangers that we can fix and hopefully lead ourselves on a golden path. Really you wouldn't be part of the global movement if you held your old liberties. You would be fully committed to our NWO because it is right to you. If that means not giving up liberties so be it but I think if everyone else was aboard your liberties wouldn't mean much as no one would be enforcing them. Not forced, not left out. Part of it.

You have to consider that other people will be the same as you, they wont be coming for your freedoms, they wont be attacking, they wont want your jobs or they are not thinking the same way as you. for example a poor man might want your job. Better to teach him that taking your job is against our way, and that he should try and improve himself and trust we will give him help that is fair.

The problem any movement is blocked by security fears, by the fear that it could back fire, the fear that we are being tricked and most of all ourselves, our needs, our wants our limits.

A world were we have kept our freedoms and live under laws we agree with. We have to all agree, be safe and good.

How does a world unite when it wants to? Will a global uniting start conflicts?