Okay, so I do realize that this forum is "US Political Madness", but...

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by AlienScience

 

I'm beginning to think that you don't think a deficit is capable of "decreasing" by definition. Is that your opinion? That a deficit can never "decrease" or "shrink"?

If a person was spending 1 trillion but now they are spending 2 trillion.

Don't call that a 'reduction' of deficit spending.

Wow.

I wouldn't call that a reduction of SPENDING, but to know if it is a reduction in deficit we would have to know what the revenue is.

If a person was spending 1 trillion while collecting revenue of 500 billion (0.5 trillion) leaving a deficit of 500 billion (0.5 trillion), and now they are spending 2 trillion but collecting revenue of 1.75 trillion leaving a deficit of .25 trillion...then YES, that is a reduction in the DEFICIT.

Again, I'll stand by my assertion that you don't understand budget terminology.

reply to post by seeker1963


You seem to be having a really hard time comprehending what I write.

I am saying that

Republicans don't represent the Right

and

Democrats don't represent the Left.

What in my statement gave you the impression I'm a Democrat (I'm registered Independent)?

What in my statement gave you the impression I don't care about the Constitution (I very much do.)?

The topic of the thread is why the political forums are so dominated with right wing talking points...

I gave my opinion.

How you managed to twist it in your head into a Democrat rally cry is anyone's guess.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
I ask you to post a couple, couple! of important findings. Post a link.That was my request of you.

The rest appeared rant...but again...You are asking me to prove that Benghazi was "not a Scandal"...I contend that reality and the end outcome of several investigations proved that.

Either be specific in what you believe the "scandal" was or I can't help you.

In order for me to do what you are demanding...I would first have to invent a claim by you (e.g, President Obama knew benghazi would be attacked) and then debunk the claim I was forced to assign to you despite you never having said it?

Or I could simply "laundry list" the far-rights claims on Benghazi...but that would be a long and crazy list that I am attributing to you.

Do you get the logic here? Tell me just one item WHY SPECIFICALLY YOU think Benghazi was a "Scandal" vs. Terrorist Attack and I will oblige you with a detailed and sourced response....

Originally posted by BritofTexas
It will be interesting to see if this thread even reaches a second or third page.

Well spank my britches and call me a marxist libtard!

We've reached page 10.

It must be some kind of record.



Margaritas all round.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
I see you also cropped out your part in this above. I love how you left out your own "non-scandel" initial comment.
What are you trying to do here????? Do you figure I won't come back and point out your manipulation?

I think you should be reported to the MODS. You have lied here. You took your own words pretended they were mine and have the audacity to post it all!

And BTW...I never posted my words as yours? I think you are having either technical or cognitive issues?

I am afraid to ask what you meant by the above.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Comrade, we only drink Vodka around here.

I'm quite sure Saul Alinsky sent out Marx's secret list of Soros funded grain alcohols.

To the reprogramming chamber with you!

And don't bother me with details of how Marx died before the list was even made!

reply to post by AlienScience

If a person was spending 1 trillion while collecting revenue of 500 billion (0.5 trillion) leaving a deficit of 500 billion (0.5 trillion), and now they are spending 2 trillion but collecting revenue of 1.75 trillion leaving a deficit of .25 trillion...then YES, that is a reduction in the DEFICIT.

Again wrong.

With decreasing revenue that is being used.

The increase printing money out of thin air.

The increased borrowing money from others.

HOW THE HELL IS IT SHRINKING ?

Rob peter to pay paul anyone ?

Pay off old debt by incurring new ones ?

Someone clearly doesn't know here, and still perpetuating a LIE that leaves quite a bit of things out.

Guess it's just easier to say 'the deficits are shrinking'

One giant 3 card monte, and some people buy that crap.

reply to post by Indigo5


Stop showing your intellect, you're gonna get us all labeled elitists...

Oh wait.

reply to post by Kali74


Apologies Sister. The only Vodka in these parts of Texas is French! And i wouldn't stoop so low.

Unfortunately my Hammer and sickle....erm...I mean Red Cross parcels are not getting through.

So I'm getting good old fashioned Commie Tequila from Cuba.

reply to post by BritofTexas


From Cuba, why didn't you say so?

All is forgiven!

Originally posted by muse7

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by NorEaster

 

OP? I kinda agree with you.

I miss not having people that would argue for;
Higher taxes
Less freedoms
Anti-Snowden, Pro-NSA
Gun Control
Pro-censorship
Patriot Act
NDAA
TSA


Please come back!

Wasn't the NSA, Patriot act and TSA the products of a Republican administration?

shhhhh

Don't wake him up. He seems so peaceful and content as he sleeps.

reply to post by neo96


If the US were printing money for the budget you would have a point. But the US isn't doing that, at least not yet... the budget deficit is calculated from how much over REVENUES we go. We are going over revenues by less and less each year since 2010.

The QE's took money directly from the Federal Reserve by the way, depleting the total.... they didn't print money for those.

Originally posted by beezzer

How about this.

Reducing the federal budget to the same dollar amount that it was in 19. . . . err. . . . . 68.

How about it?

How about this...we debate "Conservative" Principles from ...err...1956

Here is the Republican Platform in 1956

America's trust is in the merciful providence of God, in whose image every man is created ... the source of every man's dignity and freedom.

In this trust our Republic was founded. We give devoted homage to the Founding Fathers. They not only proclaimed that the freedom and rights of men came from the Creator and not from the State, but they provided safeguards to those freedoms.

Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

So far so good? OK let's keep going...

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."

Still like the GOP of old? Sounds like good old fashioned conservatism..Let's keep going...

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people

WHOAAA THERE...What did they just say???

And the GOP 1952 platform doesn't stop there with the Socialist propaganda!

America does not prosper unless all Americans prosper.

Government must have a heart as well as a head.

Further reductions in taxes with particular consideration for low and middle income families.

Initiation of a sound policy of tax reductions which will encourage small independent businesses to modernize and progress.

Continual study of additional ways to correct inequities in the effect of various taxes.

damn! Did they use the word Progress?? Reducing taxes for the Leeches...low and middle income families?
Correct inequities???

reply to post by Indigo5


Continued from the 1956 GOP Official Platform

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further.

The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.

Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million.

The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.

There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform.

UNIONS? MINIMUM WAGE? UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE?

www.presidency.ucsb.edu...

And Collective Bargaining??

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding.

Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

reply to post by Indigo5


Well......You've got my vote.

Viva el Pesidente Indigo5

reply to post by Indigo5


Only if you wear a Poodle skirt during the debate.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by SunnyDee
I ask you to post a couple, couple! of important findings. Post a link.That was my request of you.

The rest appeared rant...but again...You are asking me to prove that Benghazi was "not a Scandal"...I contend that reality and the end outcome of several investigations proved that.

Either be specific in what you believe the "scandal" was or I can't help you.

In order for me to do what you are demanding...I would first have to invent a claim by you (e.g, President Obama knew benghazi would be attacked) and then debunk the claim I was forced to assign to you despite you never having said it?

Or I could simply "laundry list" the far-rights claims on Benghazi...but that would be a long and crazy list that I am attributing to you.

Do you get the logic here? Tell me just one item WHY SPECIFICALLY YOU think Benghaz
i was a "Scandal" vs. Terrorist Attack and I will oblige you with a detailed and sourced response....

Simple logic is to go back to our first psts with each other. You spouted off how you've studied Benghazi and there was no scandal.

You Said you

I have actually delved down into the testimony,transcripts, and documents of the 15 plus investigations and hearing the GOP sponsored...the assertation that the President of the United States gleefully allowed Americans to die is false. And the real scandal is the stark difference between how a terrorist attack is recieved by the GOP depending on whom is in the Whitehouse.

I said :

please post some of your findings. I'd really like to see the most significant, seriously..

Not even a link to what you delved into? We are just supposed to believe you? That you are that smart and so it must be true?
You then tell us all that you don't want to waste space in the thread and to Pm you if I have questions. Priceless. I love that manuever! Way to stray from my request, and then to later-on run with the idea that it's my job to prove something here! And then a couple of your buddies chime in! And then attack my cognitive thinking, and what else?

The truth shall prevail. Indigo I see through you, and hope I helped a few others to, too. You can twist my words, crop things out, but the truth is still the truth.

Continued GOP Platform 1956 .. Education, Welfare etc.

Health, Education and Welfare
The Republican Party believes that the physical, mental, and spiritual well-being of the people is as important as their economic health. It will continue to support this conviction with vigorous action.

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.

FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO DISCUSS "CONSERVATIVE" IDEALS...THIS IS A MUST READ...THEN and NOW.

Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956
www.presidency.ucsb.edu...

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Only if you wear a Poodle skirt during the debate.

I will dig through my wife's closet as long as we go by the honor system...I am not posting pics for proof