Okay, so I do realize that this forum is "US Political Madness", but...

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ShadeWolf

 

You won't get an argument from me about the vocal majority leaning right. However there are mods who are center or left leaning. There's no conspiracy by mods or site owners/admin to promote any threads over others. ATS is 100% user generated, threads appear on the front page based off of number of replies and flags... again if they're mostly conservative that's because the vocal majority on ATS is Conservative.

Also, I believe you can request a thread be stickied.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)

It is not.

Ats has a balance where there is something for everyone.

Conservative ?

Hell no.

Most of the vocal 'majority' don't even call themselves conservative just a label attached to anyone who criticizes the current potus.

Learn2English!

My post is saying that ATS is not biased, but if it seems that way it's because it's user generated and the vocal majority is Conservative or right leaning if you prefer... maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

reply to post by neo96


Again with the trolling BS?

I disagree with you so I must be trolling.

Get over yourself Neo.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

How many times does it need to be pointed out to you that Social Security is not an entitlement? You can only collect it, if you paid into it yourself.

Sounds like a defense.

And that is not even true to begin with as there are millions of Americans who nave never paid in to it a day in their lives and get it.

Originally posted by Kali74

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ShadeWolf

 

You won't get an argument from me about the vocal majority leaning right. However there are mods who are center or left leaning. There's no conspiracy by mods or site owners/admin to promote any threads over others. ATS is 100% user generated, threads appear on the front page based off of number of replies and flags... again if they're mostly conservative that's because the vocal majority on ATS is Conservative.

Also, I believe you can request a thread be stickied.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)

It is not.

Ats has a balance where there is something for everyone.

Conservative ?

Hell no.

Most of the vocal 'majority' don't even call themselves conservative just a label attached to anyone who criticizes the current potus.

Learn2English!

My post is saying that ATS is not biased, but if it seems that way it's because it's user generated and the vocal majority is Conservative or right leaning if you prefer... maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

Learn2 move on.

They ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE most call themselves something other than.

I do agree someone does need to get over something here.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

How many times does it need to be pointed out to you that Social Security is not an entitlement? You can only collect it, if you paid into it yourself.

Sounds like a defense.

And that is not even true to begin with as there are millions of Americans who nave never paid in to it a day in their lives and get it.

Stating what something isn't is defending it? Also, no people who didn't pay into it don't get to collect it.

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reply to post by neo96


Are you two married?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

And you seem to have a problem calling things what they are. If it's a program you don't like it's an entitlement.. if it's a person you don't like they're a liberal/democrat/socialist/commie/Amerikan.

Sounded like trolling.

Didn't say anything of the sort with except of the world liberal, and not the only one who used the term.

So where is the fake outrage about them eh?

Originally posted by Kali74

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

How many times does it need to be pointed out to you that Social Security is not an entitlement? You can only collect it, if you paid into it yourself.

Sounds like a defense.

And that is not even true to begin with as there are millions of Americans who nave never paid in to it a day in their lives and get it.

Stating what something isn't is defending it? Also, no people who didn't pay into it don't get to collect it.

I know this for a FACT.

My aunt never worked a day in her life and gets it.

Entitlement program

The kind of government program that provides individuals with personal financial benefits (or sometimes special government-provided goods or services) to which an indefinite (but usually rather large) number of potential beneficiaries have a legal right (enforceable in court, if necessary) whenever they meet eligibility conditions that are specified by the standing law that authorizes the program. The beneficiaries of entitlement programs are normally individual citizens or residents, but sometimes organizations such as business corporations, local governments, or even political parties may have similar special "entitlements" under certain programs.

The most important examples of entitlement programs at the federal level in the United States would include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, most Veterans' Administration programs, federal employee and military retirement plans, unemployment compensation, food stamps, and agricultural price support programs.

A Glossary of Political Economy Terms

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Gross misinterpretation is a huge pet peeve of mine, as you should well know. My taste in men lays on the intellectual side, thank-god my boyfriend doesn't trip on definitions.

reply to post by neo96


Is it her deceased husbands by any chance?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

Gross misinterpretation is a huge pet peeve of mine, as you should well know. My taste in men lays on the intellectual side, thank-god my boyfriend doesn't trip on definitions.

Don't trip over definitions eh ?

The most important examples of entitlement programs at the federal level in the United States would include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, most Veterans' Administration programs, federal employee and military retirement plans, unemployment compensation, food stamps, and agricultural price support programs.

Oh that was hilarious.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

Is it her deceased husbands by any chance?

Yep

? Also, no people who didn't pay into it don't get to collect it.

Still doesn't change the fact she never worked a day in her life, and collects it.

Wait for it SHE WAS ENTITLED to it.

Entitled meaning be 'owed' money from the work of someone else.

reply to post by neo96


Yes, trip over definitions as that source obviously did too. Or maybe he just heard the mantra being repeated over and over again. Wonder why that is? Couldn't be because private interest wants their hands all over that stash huh?

reply to post by neo96


The program was set up that way, like most monies left behind by a deceased person they go to their spouses or children.

Really Neo? That's a ridiculous stretch. Why should the government get to keep her husbands money?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Kali74

 

Yeah displayed critical thinking skills instead of defending corrupt government programs.

Oh well.

Do some research into what was behind the Social Security program, and why it's remained a societal standard for decades now. And I don't mean research into what Glenn Beck University claims about the sociopolitical environment that was defused by the establishment of a social safety net for the parents of tens of thousands of angry young men who were seriously considering ripping the capitalistic system of the US apart in favor of what they were being convinced would be a less punitive system for their own flesh and blood.

FDR's big government experiment kept the mobs from taking us down the same road that Europe and Russia traveled during the 30s as a result of the economics of the time. Even now, the fact that the Wall St. banksters did NOT have control of the Social Security trillions is the main reason why Wall Street - the actual street itself - isn't on its way toward being reopened as a memorial to the "fallen heroes" of capitalism, and why you still have a job anywhere at all in this society.

You must still be a kid to not understand the raw power of a dependable safety net beneath yourself and the ones you care about. No fully grown man or woman is so belligerently incapable of the life-altering realities that exists within sight of every place a person can stand to catch their breath as they fight to survive and maybe even thrive. Only the young and relatively dumb are so oblivious of how incredibly vulnerable they are at every instant of their lives to whatever it is that decides - even on a whim - to eliminate what future they've secured for themselves and their loved ones.

In 2008, all the careful, prudent, successful grown-ups lost everything that they worked decades to save and invest for their retirements without ever doing anything wrong or reckless. And the law never batted an eyelash at the crime that victimized each of them individually and collectively. Only a brash young ideologue or a blithering idiot could - after that overwhelming display of just how insanely unstable real capitalism actually is - believe that an entire society's stability and socioeconomic security is best protected by such a madhouse of irresponsibility.

If the Social Security program either didn't exist or had been "privatized", this exchange wouldn't be occurring. There would be a very different USA in existence right now, and you'd really REALLY hate living in that USA. Well, if you were still alive, of course.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

Yes, trip over definitions as that source obviously did too. Or maybe he just heard the mantra being repeated over and over again. Wonder why that is? Couldn't be because private interest wants their hands all over that stash huh?

Don't have a problem with Social Security being in the hands of the people themselves.That way government can't steal it. Then use it do hold overs people heads during election time.

Which all entitlements are for really,. To use as control mechanisms to keep them politicians in power..

Someone is going to trip over this next word because that is by DEFINTON slavery,

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

The program was set up that way, like most monies left behind by a deceased person they go to their spouses or children.

Really Neo? That's a ridiculous stretch. Why should the government get to keep her husbands money?

Sorry wasn't the 'argument' that people don't get to collect it unless they paid in to it ?

Yep that WAS the argument.

reply to post by NorEaster

Do some research into what was behind the Social Security program, and why it's remained a societal standard for decades now.

Yeah some people need to do some research as it was passed as a TAX kinda like Obama care.

Then they needs to go look up Helvering V davis that says pretty much government doesn't have to give anyone their social security.

Forget the other court case gonna have to look it up.: Fleming v Nestor

And I don't mean research into what Glenn Beck University claims about the sociopolitical environment that was defused by the establishment of a social safety net for the parents of tens of thousands of angry young men who were seriously considering ripping the capitalistic system of the US apart in favor of what they were being convinced would be a less punitive system for their own flesh and blood.

Awesome pot shot there that loses much of the desired effect pushing the same political talking point of 'safety net' as already stated is $1000 bucks a month, $12 grand a year. Oh yeah that is some 'safety net'.

Where people could put the money elsewhere have get a higher return and a higher standard of living.

Who cares though!

SAFETY NETS RULE!.

Not.

FDR's big government experiment kept the mobs from taking us down the same road that Europe and Russia traveled during the 30s as a result of the economics of the time. Even now, the fact that the Wall St. banksters did NOT have control of the Social Security trillions is the main reason why Wall Street - the actual street itself - isn't on its way toward being reopened as a memorial to the "fallen heroes" of capitalism, and why you still have a job anywhere at all in this society.

Is there a point there beyond the dogma ?

[Roosevelt] was always... finding new victims to loot and new followers to reward, flouting common sense, and boldly denying its existence, demonstrating by his anti-logic that two and two made five, promising larger and larger slices of the moon. His career will greatly engage historians, if any good ones ever appear in America, but it will be of even more interest to psychologists. He was the first American to penetrate to the real depths of vulgar stupidity. He never made the mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the American mob. He was its unparalleled professor. April 15, 1945

Mencken

Have something better than big government fascist's like FDR ?

You must still be a kid to not understand the raw power of a dependable safety net beneath yourself and the ones you care about. No fully grown man or woman is so belligerently incapable of the life-altering realities that exists within sight of every place a person can stand to catch their breath as they fight to survive and maybe even thrive. Only the young and relatively dumb are so oblivious of how incredibly vulnerable they are at every instant of their lives to whatever it is that decides - even on a whim - to eliminate what future they've secured for themselves and their loved ones.

Nope quite wrong.

Dependable 'safety net' ?

LOL that was hilarious.

As long as their are people coming in to rob from to pay for those on it.

In 2008, all the careful, prudent, successful grown-ups lost everything that they worked decades to save and invest for their retirements without ever doing anything wrong or reckless. And the law never batted an eyelash at the crime that victimized each of them individually and collectively. Only a brash young ideologue or a blithering idiot could - after that overwhelming display of just how insanely unstable real capitalism actually is - believe that an entire society's stability and socioeconomic security is best protected by such a madhouse of irresponsibility.

And most have regained just about everything,

Know anything about investing what so ever?

The long haul over years.

Not the get rich quick scheme that so many entitlist's have at the moment,

Geez.

If the Social Security program either didn't exist or had been "privatized", this exchange wouldn't be occurring. There would be a very different USA in existence right now, and you'd really REALLY hate living in that USA. Well, if you were still alive, of course.

Yeah if it never existed the government would not have blown 11 trillion dollars and this nation wouldn't be in 17 trillion dollar debt.

And the promises made to pay for social security would not be in the tens of trillions.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Entitlement program

The most important examples of entitlement programs at the federal level in the United States would include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, most Veterans' Administration programs, federal employee and military retirement plans, unemployment compensation, food stamps, and agricultural price support programs.

A Glossary of Political Economy Terms

Bullsh*t on the Veterans Admin programs being described as an entitlement program. We made a deal with our nation when we agreed to enlist and give those years of our lives to our nation. Those benefits were part of the agreement. They are NOT entitlements. Get your facts straight.

You didn't have to be drafted because men and women like us took that burden off you and made a deal with your government to defend your baby ass - but we did so with specific conditions that your government agreed to, and the VA program was central to that agreement.

I spent 8 years in the military, and I am a member in good standing of the community of men and woman who help and receive help from the VA. We take care of each other and there's no better feeling of community and dedicated resolve than we vets feel when we're leaning against each other for support.

Maybe you armchair warriors don't get it, but that doesn't give you our permission to slander us like that. Don't do it again.