William & Kate are the TWO WITNESSES and Prince George THE CHRIST RETURNED.

Originally posted by Tidnabnilims
reply to post by Olivet

 

I never hid I was trolling you ( even used it as an edit notation ) but I consider this whole topic a troll by you

So, you behaved against the rules of this forum!

You investigated my joke, thats quality, I find it entertaining that you have the time to waste refuting an obvious derailment. And anyway since you tortured your numbers to create this gump why cant mine be right too ?

I respect everyone. That's why I reply to any apparent argument to the topic. I then showed you that you couldn't be right. Maybe you don't see the seriousness of this thread and its implications to the world fate. You should meditate on the consequences of the truthness of 'my' claim when the time has come to admit I was right.

Is it not more logical that the King of Angolmois is Francis I ? The then king of the Angoumois region at the time ?
I could find no link to Angolmois or Angoumois meaning anything like England, except when you start to thumbscrew the letters around, and even then quite a lot

I just explained AGAIN (see my very first post) why Nostradamus made a 'mistake' on purpose ('L' instead of 'U'). Since you used a link talking about the anagram 'MONGOLS', you should admit that Nostradamus used to apply the anagrams in his centuries. Otherwise, no need to refer to your link. Mine (ANGLOIS = ENGLISH) is far better (NOT even then quite a lot) than 'MONGOLS' (which is far from defining the East (Russia)) for it respects the order of the letters, and it goes with LAW of the BLOOD, BLOOD of the LION, SOLOMON, etc.

In addition, the region of ANGOUMOIS used to be...ENGLISH during the Hundred Year War!

And you really had to drag those dates out based on 'terror' and the tarot card (where did that come from btw),when you yourself should know that it translates to the opposite (one who chases fright away) in the 16th century.

The tarot card origin is precisely from France at the time of Nostradamus! It happens that your author is wrong about (he didn't explain where he took his explanation from):

In Nostradamus time, the word "effrayeur" meant "he, who chases away fright" : exactly the opposite of its current meaning.

This link of the CNRS (Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (Official French Agency of Science and Research)) dedicated to the old French studies ([T-L : esfrëor ; GD : esfreor ; FEW XV-2, 92a : *exfridare]) clearly shows that effrayeur (not d'effrayeur) means: Agitation, inquiétude, effroi, i.e. nervousness, fear, terror.

your Occams is blunt,

Your conclusion is blunt.

But on the plus side, you'd probably do OK on Countdown

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Thank you, but you probably have a reason, different than mine, to support 'my' timing. Could you elaborate?

reply to post by Olivet


It happens that Friday 13th, 2013 is the beginning of the most holy feast for the Jews: Yom Kippur.

Note: Yom Kippur begins at sundown of the previous day in the Gregorian calendar (e.g. 13 September 2013).

But what is the most extraordinary is this specifics:

Traditionally, Yom Kippur is considered the date on which Moses received the second set of Ten Commandments. It occurred following the completion of the second 40 days of instructions from God.

This 40 days period corresponds to the 'Desert period' of the Woman of the Apocalypse (40 days) the end of which corresponds to the day Christ was crucified (Friday 13th) and the Day of the Atonement (Friday 13th 2013).

NOW, WE CAN CONNECT THE DOTS!

The Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), the holiest day in the early days of the religions of the Book (Torah, Bible, Koran) could also be the DAY OF THE RETURN OF CHRIST! Since many Jews are waiting for their Messiah in 2013, it could be a very troubling coincidence...to say the least.

You should meditate on the consequences of the truthness of 'my' claim when the time has come to admit I was right.

that time has come and gone, and if you were looking for the word 'truthiness', well it means

"the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true"

so yes your claim has a lot of truthiness

I just explained AGAIN (see my very first post) why Nostradamus made a 'mistake' on purpose ('L' instead of 'U'). Since you used a link talking about the anagram 'MONGOLS', you should admit that Nostradamus used to apply the anagrams in his centuries.

No the mongol anagram is also bobbins, it was in the 1999 version of this topic (I think its all bobbins btw, I'm not really debating finer points of your story, just that you are using bunk to make junk - hows that for word-porn, cheap and nasty just how you like it)

In addition, the region of ANGOUMOIS used to be...ENGLISH during the Hundred Year War!

but afterwards it was virtually independent after apanage for over a century and officially part of France after 1515, when Nostradamus was only 12

The tarot card origin is precisely from France at the time of Nostradamus! It happens that your author is wrong about (he didn't explain where he took his explanation from)

I dont get why any particular tarot card is significant to this, but thats part of the number torture I suppose, to create a link where there is none

This link of the CNRS (Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (Official French Agency of Science and Research)) dedicated to the old French studies ([T-L : esfrëor ; GD : esfreor ; FEW XV-2, 92a : *exfridare]) clearly shows that effrayeur (not d'effrayeur) means: Agitation, inquiétude, effroi, i.e. nervousness, fear, terror.

Given how fractured France has been linguistically and just how many varations of language it contains (even today) its very easy for it to be a colloquialism or another mistake, or both. He was high and into demons and making up stuff that sounded ambiguous, not a reliable source of accurate scribbling.

But I too wish this thread to die, as I appear to repeating the same information that others have, and you are getting the chance to carry on flogging poor Dobbin on his way to the glue factory. And i'm not into animal cruelty.

Enjoy chatting with yourself

reply to post by Chamberf=6


As we have seen . . .

the circular halls of mirrors within halls of mirrors within halls of mirrors within Alice's rabbit hole

seems to occupy all the space between some folks' ears.

The feedback loops are inoperative in any conventional sense.

All the connections seem to be self-reinforcing regardless of reality.

. . . an emphasis on the !SELF! . . .

The cry of Ecc . . . ALL IS VANITY . . . springs readily to mind after a few posts . . . assuming one can stomach wading through that much of such blather.

It's horrific that anyone with an IQ above warm could believe such even if it originated within their own convoluted processes.

Tidnabnilims

You should meditate on the consequences of the truthness of 'my' claim when the time has come to admit I was right.

that time has come and gone, and if you were looking for the word 'truthiness', well it means

"the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true"

so yes your claim has a lot of truthiness

You know I was speaking about the TRUTH (English is NOT my mother language and I sometimes make mistakes. Each reader knows this). Everyone understood what I meant.

In addition, the time has not come, nor gone, already. If I said + or -, if I added one month at max, it is because I didn't have the precise date. JUST A PERIOD OF TIME.

WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE MONTH I WAS TALKING ABOUT. That's what matters here!

reply to post by BO XIAN


Why am I not surprised by the vacuity of your arguments? You didn't answer my simple questions yet, and have no argument to contradict 'my' claim. Your gibberish is still at the poor level you used to keep us. I proved recently how dishonest you are with your contradictions. You need your fellow chamberf=6 to appear in this thread to exist. What a pity!

Tidnabnilims
But I too wish this thread to die, as I appear to repeating the same information that others have, and you are getting the chance to carry on flogging poor Dobbin on his way to the glue factory. And i'm not into animal cruelty.

Enjoy chatting with yourself

edit on 9-9-2013 by Tidnabnilims because: Dobbin deserved a capital !

There is a simple way not to be bothered by this thread. Just leave it. Enjoy other threads. If you thought there are no other readers you're just feeding your self-importance.

Tidnabnilims
No the mongol anagram is also bobbins, it was in the 1999 version of this topic (I think its all bobbins btw, I'm not really debating finer points of your story, just that you are using bunk to make junk - hows that for word-porn, cheap and nasty just how you like it)

I wonder why you come here to discuss about the points I raised in the OP in four parts. If you think that the thousands of scholars, who have tried to decipher Nostradamus' work since centuries are nuts, good for you. Hundreds of authors have then written thousands books because they were using bunk to make junk. Hundreds of millions of people read them because they are nuts too. Luckily enough, you are here to show us the way.

As a matter of fact, an English royal baby (DIRECT KING HEIR) was born in July 2013. As a matter of fact, his name is GEORGE, the seventh. As you know, the last time a direct British royal king heir was born was June 1982 (William birth). Before him it was november 1948 (Prince Charles). Before him it was december 1895 (George VI). None of them, except Prince George, was born in July (Nostradamus talks about 'seven(th) month(s)').

What are the probabilities to get it right in the Gregorian calendar (July 14 - August 13) about 500 years before it happens?

But it should be too fine for you, right?

but afterwards it was virtually independent after apanage for over a century and officially part of France after 1515, when Nostradamus was only 12

Good remark!

But if you had read this thread (at least the OP) you would have understood that (FIRST POST):

ANGOUMOIS is the name of the French region from which Francois 1st came from (king of France when Nostradamus was born, and father of Henry II, king of France when Nostradamus was a grown up). Nostradamus used this name [ANGOLMOIS] not to have troubles with the French Royalty, keeping in mind that this region belonged to the British crown before the end of the Hundred Year War which ended 50 years before Nostradamus birth.

I dont get why any particular tarot card is significant to this, but thats part of the number torture I suppose, to create a link where there is none

What you didn't get is that Nostradamus was an initiate, member of many Mystical Orders (including Templars). This esoteric knowledge (tarot cards numbers and symbols) was common among these Mystical Orders. It then went outside of these orders in the 18th century.

The tarot is a pack of playing cards, used from the mid-15th century in various parts of Europe to play a group of card games such as Italian tarocchini and French tarot.

Given how fractured France has been linguistically and just how many varations of language it contains (even today) its very easy for it to be a colloquialism or another mistake, or both. He was high and into demons and making up stuff that sounded ambiguous, not a reliable source of accurate scribbling.

It's better to have a scientific official French source than a random uneducated English link in the midst of the Internet. If you consider this French scientific source not reliable, I wonder what you consider reliable.

Maybe you have a better source. Please show us!

BTW, Nostradamus talks about 'a king of Terror' (second line of the quatrain X-72), different from 'The Great King of Angolmois' (third line of X-72). It means that this is a figure, real or allegorical. Hades (King of the dead) is the best one to fit the description. But because Nostradamus uses 'a' (king of Terror) instead of 'the' (king of Terror), it should mean that it's a symbol (13 = death) inside a symbol (Hades). Since this king comes from the heaven / sky, it only means that it's a period of time, a number (13) of cycles of the Earth around the sun.

To better see that the number 13 (cycles of the Earth around the Sun) is what Nostradamus wanted to convey in the second line of the quatrain X-72, I invite you to (re)discover the meaning of this number:

Mem, la treizième lettre de l'alphabet hébreu, est la première lettre du mot "met" (מת) qui signifie mort.

Mem, the thirteen letter of the Hebew alphabet, is the first letter of the word 'met' which means DEATH.

The number 13 is considered an unlucky number in some countries.

The end of the Mayan calendar's 13th Baktun was superstitiously feared as a harbinger of the apocalyptic 2012 phenomenon.

Fear of the number 13 has a specifically recognized phobia, Triskaidekaphobia...

At Jesus Christ's last supper, there were thirteen people around the table, counting Christ and the twelve apostles. Some believe this unlucky because one of those thirteen, Judas Iscariot, was the betrayer of Jesus Christ.

On Friday 13 October 1307, King Philip IV of France ordered the arrest of the Knights Templar.

The apparitions of the Virgin of Fátima in 1917 were claimed to occur on the 13th day of six consecutive months.

A lot of people believe (some authors proved it) that THE FATIMA EVENT WAS A MASSIVE UFO / EXTRATERRESTRIAL SIGHTING.

Today, we are September 11th 2013, the 10th anniversary of the ETs World Message 'Do You Wish That We Show Up?'.

I have to point out this part of the ET Word Message written and spread ON September 11th 2003:

This message would be of no interest if these manipulators' tutorate did not reach its peak and if their misleading and murderous plans did not materialise in a few years from now. Their deadlines are close and mankind will undergo unprecedented torments for the next ten cycles [years].

Implicitly, it would mean that the time has come for them to show up after TEN YEARS of waiting. Stay tuned on the news. They are coming...

Is it related to the FATIMA EVENT (ET MASSIVE SIGHTING) having occured SIX TIMES the 13th of the month, and the religious part of it? The most spectacular event occured the sixth time on October 13th, 1917.

The last apparition occurred on SATURDAY October 13, and was witnessed by 70,000 pilgrims, who saw the Miracle of the Sun.[3][4] In addition, Our Lady of Fátima sent a message that consisted of three secrets...

Is the third prophecy in progress? The Return of Christ for the SEVENTH TIME the 13th of a month followed by a big war? A FRIDAY September 13 (a day before + a month before)?

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For those who don't know yet about the Fatima Event, and to better connect the dots with what is coming, here are extracts from this link:

Miracle of the Sun

It was suggested by Jacques Vallée in 1965 and by John Keel in 1970 that the phenomenon at Fátima was not the sun, but an unidentified flying object. Keel wrote that "In the initial reports of the phenomenon, all the witnesses agreed that the object was white and seemingly metallic, and that it changed color as the speed of rotation increased. Later, myth and mysticism replaced fact. The disk became 'the sun,' even though observatories around the world assured the press that the sun remained in its usual place during the miracle." He says the disk "waltzed" under the cloud layer, and angel hair fell from the sky.

The Event

According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and "the sun" appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky. It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern, frightening those who thought it a sign of the end of the world. Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling".

Estimates of number present range from 30,000 to 40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século, to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra, both of whom were present that day.

A very interesting post:

Ephraim as prophesy stated became a great "commonwealth of nations" (Great Brittan) and Mennassah became a "Great Nation" (USA).

Only these two lads, who bore the name Israel as given to them by Jacob on his deathbed have inherited the physical blessings promised to Abraham by God the Father. .../... only they were given the means to rule the earth at the end of this age as God promised would come to the decendants of Israel.

Judah did NOT receive the name "Israel" from Jacob, Ephraim and Mennessah did. Judah and his sons the Jews, were only called Israel while they were with Ephriam and Mennessah, once the tribes split the generation after Solomon's reign, Judah bacame a seperate nation from Israel. The first time the word "Jew" appears in scripture is when Israel was AT WAR WITH THE JEWS!

Israel was taken captive 200 years prior to Judah (circa 700 BCE) for their sins by the Assyrians (modern day Germans, this is where the Nazism movment originated and the swastika symbol). Assyria at the time was located in the caucus mountain region (Armenia/Georgia) over time they and their slaves (the saxons = Isaac's sons) migrated to North Western Europe and the slaves eventually freed themselves to settle in modern day Brittan.

English as a language is a cross between German and Hebrew.

No vowels in Hebrew, no vowels in Old English.

British = Birith (of the covenant) ish (people) in Hebrew.

Stone of Scone used to coronate all British Kings = Jacob's pillar stone used to coronate all Israel's kings.

Thrown of David is located in Westminster Abby.

Jewish Kings rule over England just as prophecy demands.

Jerusalem will be built on England's green and pleasant land (Olympic's song in 2012).

reply to post by Olivet


About the Ephraim prophecy:

Promises to Ephraim and Manasseh

THE promises of Israel's greatness were to be fulfilled in the "last days", that is, during the Christian era. These promises apply precisely to the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic people, and can be applied to no other people upon the earth.

""And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days""(GENESIS 49:1).

Joseph was the birthright tribe, and Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, were formed into two separate tribes, which became the leaders of the ten-tribed House of Israel; Ephraim taking the more prominent position. The promise given to Joseph in GENESIS 49:22, to be fulfilled in the last days, was:

""Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall ..."".

The promise continues in verse 24:

""But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob ..."".

This has been certainly true of the Anglo-Saxon people in this age, as they have spread throughout the earth and have been helped by the providence of God as has no other people.


The Two Great Sections of Israel

These two leading tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, were to become the heads of the two great sections into which Israel was to be divided. As we have already seen, Israel was to become a nation and a company of nations. In GENESIS 48:19, Manasseh was told that he was to become a great people, or nation. This prophecy finds its fulfilment in these last days in the United States of America.

Ephraim, on the other hand, was told that he would become a multitude of nations. This prophecy finds its fulfilment in the other great section of Anglo-Saxondom, the company of nations of the British Commonwealth.

Israel to be blessed in every spiritual and material way:

""Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: the blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren" "(GENESIS 49:25-26).
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As we can see, Christ can ONLY come in the Ephraim tribe, aka the BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY in the 'last days'!


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Olivet
reply to post by Olivet

 

About the Ephraim prophecy:

As we can see, Christ can ONLY come in the Ephraim tribe, aka the BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY in the 'last days'!

See Jeremiah 31:8-10 where Ephraim is regarded in fact as his FIRSTBORN by God:

8 "Behold, I am bringing them from the north country, And I will gather them from the remote parts of the earth, Among them the blind and the lame, The woman with child and she who is in labor with child, together; A great company, they will return here.

9 "With weeping they will come, And by supplication I will lead them; I will make them walk by streams of waters, On a straight path in which they will not stumble; For I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn."

10 Hear the word of the LORD, O nations, And declare in the coastlands afar off, And say, "He who scattered Israel will gather him And keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock."…

Would be a shame if they found the first page of the bible that stated something along the lines of..

"To my dearest George, happy birthday, any characters in the following book whether factual or fiction is purely coincidental....'

In all seriousness though, first one must accept that the predictions of Nostradamus are accurate. Considering he worked for the illuminati families in the time, I would more likely say if any of this is true, its because its a SCRIPT, not some coincidental prophecy.

Same goes for the bible. Revelations to me is a personal account... how finding the christ consciousness is revealed to oneself, whether kundalini or other means...not a literal world account.

On that note, Kudos to the OP for at least standing their ground, being pantheist though, its a little hard for me to swallow the returning of one man claiming to be the christ...

There are many here who believe the English royals are real life,shape shifting reptiles.Now their the holy parents?I'm so confused!

A very interesting (but long) analysis about EPHRAIM and MANASSEH.

"I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply: a NATION and a COMPANY OF NATIONS shall be of thee, and Kings shall come out of thy loins... "

Clearly ISRAEL was to be a NATION with a MONARCHY, which would expand to become a "COMPANY OF NATIONS"!

Im a Marty
Would be a shame if they found the first page of the bible that stated something along the lines of..

"To my dearest George, happy birthday, any characters in the following book whether factual or fiction is purely coincidental....'

In all seriousness though, first one must accept that the predictions of Nostradamus are accurate. Considering he worked for the illuminati families in the time, I would more likely say if any of this is true, its because its a SCRIPT, not some coincidental prophecy.

Thanks for your insight. However, the accuracy of July 2013 seems more than coincidental. But is it a script or a prophecy? Good question.

Another question is: WHO HAS EVER DECIPHERED THIS QUATRAIN LIKE I DID? Answer: NONE!

Am I an illuminati? Answer: NO!

Why? Answer: my blog will prove it to anyone since I denounce many things against the Illuminatis even if I participated to a CIA sponsored project I left once I saw the true purpose and by-products of this project.

So, this is a prophecy, NOT a script!

Same goes for the bible. Revelations to me is a personal account... how finding the christ consciousness is revealed to oneself, whether kundalini or other means...not a literal world account.

Same goes for 'my' claim about Prince George birth.

WHO HAS EVER DECIPHERED REV 12 LIKE I DID? Answer: NONE! The number of opponents proves it. Why wouldn't it be a literal world account since FACTS CLEARLY SHOWS THE CORRELATIONS WITH REV 12?

On that note, Kudos to the OP for at least standing their ground, being pantheist though, its a little hard for me to swallow the returning of one man claiming to be the christ...

NONE IS CLAIMING TO BE CHRIST!

I, myself, in full accordance with the Gospels, claim that, ONE DAY, coming very soon now, Prince George WILL BE Christ (when he will come back from 'God and his throne'). He doesn't. He is even way too young to do this (less than two months). None other than me did it. I have very good reasons to do so for people will be able not to be deceived by the antichrist.

TDawg61
There are many here who believe the English royals are real life,shape shifting reptiles.Now their the holy parents?I'm so confused!

Precisely! The world has been put under Satan's control, including the British Royals. That's why Christ will come back in this world through the entrance door of this family...with NEW DIVINE BODIES (William, Kate and George)...Hence the benevolent extraterrestrials intervention in a coming abduction to change them, and get them back to Earth!

Then, their behavior will be very different...

Without doubt, that which above all, gives Ephraim- Britain precedence is its THRONE! Its cohesive influence, and the respect and loyalty it commands both within and beyond the Commonwealth, represents perhaps the greatest influence and stabilising factor in the modern world. Concerning that Throne, God said there would always be a descendant of David to occupy the throne of the house of Israel (Jeremiah 33:17).

The British Throne is the Throne of the house of Israel. Some concede the Throne is in Britain, yet seemingly believe the chief tribe and nucleus of the house of Israel is across the ocean on another Continent! Without doubt, there is a significant representation of Israel in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, Northwest Europe and other lands. But equally without doubt, the nucleus of the designated firstborn of Israel is located where the throne is, reigning not only over Israel in the Isles, but over all the other branches of the house of Israel, who still give allegiance to that Throne!

I should add, allegiance is to the Throne, and what it represents. The Royal Family is fallible, like the rest of us. But what that Throne represents is a Covenant that cannot be broken, and a Kingdom that cannot be shaken, and He shall come whose right it is, to take His Throne, as great David's greater Son, the Lord Jesus Christ!