New Orleans teen shot in the head by man who thought he was burglar

reply to post by theRhenn

Cmon now.. All of LA is not like that. We have very mature places in LA. Shreveport does have it's slums, however. You will find a bad area in any city though. NO just happens to be thug central, though. Shreveport isn't bad unless you take a wrong turn somewhere.

Oh, I know it’s not. I’ve been up there many times. I’m going to watch MMA fights at the Shreveport Convention Center and I’m staying at a casino just 2 miles away; both are conveniently right off I-20.

You’re right though…if you make a wrong turn and go a few blocks you may end up in a place you don’t want to be.

I don't bring a pistol so I can act like a vigilante....I do it so I don't become a victim or a statistic. I've never had a reason to use it and I hope not to. I'm sure the homeowner in the OP had never used his either until this incident. Sometimes when your'e not looking for trouble, trouble finds you!

There are white collar criminals ruining the lives of thousands of families and you lot want your rights to shoot people who are trying to steal your material goods that you can't be arsed protecting properly with adequate security deterrents. No wonder your country is going down the #ter so rapidly.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


You know its a bit out of touch when the homeowner had an 8 ft high fence that the victim scaled and you post this..

you lot want your rights to shoot people who are trying to steal your material goods that you can't be arsed protecting properly with adequate security deterrents.

So in you mind it is the homeowners fault that a thief was there? Do you blame the victim in a rape case also for inviting the rape?

wow

reply to post by IvanAstikov

...you can't be arsed protecting properly with adequate security deterrents.

You mean like an 8' security fence, a dog, and a gun?

Seems to me like that us exactly what he has done.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


again with deflections and random theories what the heck do corrupt bankers have to do with the thread topic and the case at hand? absolutely nothing,we get it you hate guns and think no one should ever defend themselves and think that magically police protect every one and that the world is full of sunshine and daisy's.get over it in castle doctrine states there is no duty to retreat and in some states this applies to your car as well as home.self defense is a natural born right inherent to all of humanity.

do you have anything on topic to say or just more of the guns bad bad guns bad bad guns! or will it be another rant on the corrupt bankers etc that have nothing to do with the topic at hand,either stay on topic or go find some other thread to troll

this guy will beat the case and hopefully get back to his normal life after this traumatic event and hopefully not have any more stupid teenagers try to break into his property after shooting the last person dumb enough to hop some ones fence in a castle doctrine state in the middle of the night

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

While your reasoning is valid, the point is that in the eyes of the law, they view him as a child, and thus it is the main reason why I use the term. I am not saying that children are angles or innocent, but at the same time, there has to be something done to better protect the children and the next generation.

reply to post by IvanAstikov

There are white collar criminals ruining the lives of thousands of families and you lot want your rights to shoot people who are trying to steal your material goods that you can't be arsed protecting properly with adequate security deterrents. No wonder your country is going down the #ter so rapidly.

If the law permitted the killing of White Collar criminals we’d shoot them, too!

I think we simply have a cultural difference here, friend. I’m dumbfounded that people in UK don’t even care that TPTB have effectively neutered them and stripped them of their ability to defend themselves with a firearm. That to me is shocking, so I can see why my stance on this issue drives you crazy.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Like better parenting?

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
There are white collar criminals ruining the lives of thousands of families and you lot want your rights to shoot people who are trying to steal your material goods that you can't be arsed protecting properly with adequate security deterrents. No wonder your country is going down the #ter so rapidly.

edit on 29-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)

You're mistaken. Our coutry is going down the #ter so rapidly because of the crooked politician. Not gun toting americans.

If we were allowed to follow our laws to the letter.. These same gun toting americans would make sure they're no crooked polititians... but unfortunatly they infultrated us to find ways to dupe us and make laws that made the above mentioned laws no longer valid. Now they're fighting to get these very same guns so they can be in total control.

Make sure you get that right. Ever hear of an honest politician? Me either...

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

While your reasoning is valid, the point is that in the eyes of the law, they view him as a child, and thus it is the main reason why I use the term. I am not saying that children are angles or innocent, but at the same time, there has to be something done to better protect the children and the next generation.

I agree with you but it's not the job of society to raise people's kids.

If you want to protect the next generation, be a good parent. Just know that if your kid ends up in my yard at 2am, I'm not going to show any sympathy for his poor upbringing that led him there. If I have to decide between the life of your kid or the life of mine....it's not going to end well for you. Just sayin'!

If kids/or anyone knew they might get shot while attempting to burglarize, I would think MANY would take a second thought of such crime. What about robbers who do break in, rape, kill, steal and got away? Are we supposed to just sit by and be completely helpless, hopeless, defenseless? Have the criminals truly won?

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

...you can't be arsed protecting properly with adequate security deterrents.

You mean like an 8' security fence, a dog, and a gun?

Seems to me like that us exactly what he has done.

edit on 29-7-2013 by jadedANDcynical because: weird empty post?

and in the front yard no less. damn.. must be a bad place to live.

Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
all problems with teens over the last 30yrs, started when they started arresting parents and taking their children away for whipping them.
you can say what you want, but i know that when i was in my early to late teens, i was a delinquent.
and would have been much worse if it wasn't for the one thing that always popped in my head before i did something.

What if Momma finds out! i was more afraid of what she would do vs the law.

edit on 29-7-2013 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)

so true. i am 25 years old and i actually used to try to scare my parents into letting me do what i wanted saying things like, if you hit me i'm telling the school you beat me so they take me away. i wasn't the only one who did this though everyone in my school was doing it. weird, a lot of people around here are troublemakers who steal things from people too.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

While your reasoning is valid, the point is that in the eyes of the law, they view him as a child, and thus it is the main reason why I use the term. I am not saying that children are angles or innocent, but at the same time, there has to be something done to better protect the children and the next generation.

It seems to me children are getting more rotten by the second. It's becoming very rare to find a good kid these days. My step son (19) hangs out with 13 year old girls we know who are having sex on a regular basis. We haven't caught him yet and when we do all hell is gonna break loose.

My step son and these girls have both been in trouble with the law. My wife and i have only had him living here for a year - long story - he and his sister was illegally taken from her before hurricane Katrina hit. Her husband then would beat the kids because he had a brain tumor which killed him. Because it was a bad environment the courts allowed her to find a couple she could trust to keep the kids until she could find a better home for them. It was temporary and she had joint legal custody with the kids even though they could not live in her house. Hurricane Katrina hit and this couple who had fallen in love with the kids illegally removed the kids out of state. ( this was before i hooked up with my wife) She didn't make a fuss even though it broke her heart because she figured the kids would be better off. The boy was 9 at this time and the girl 3. He got in trouble stealing from Walmart and he got kicked out of school, so he moved down here to be with us. My wife hadn't seen him in ten years - they would not let her talk to the kids for fear she would try to take the kids back.. She has yet to get to talk to her daughter - the girl probably doesn't even remember her real mother. She was broke, her husband with the brain tumor was in bad shape about to die and she just let it go not knowing what else to do. Sometimes i feel like we are living in a Jerry Springer show.

Anyway, my experience with kids now has been through him. I see the people he brings around and all of them has been in some sort of trouble already bar none. It's really sad whats happening to our kids. Parents aren't raising the kids with moral values. This is the problem that needs fixing. Rather than trying to protect a bad kid from someone who will shoot him when they break the law we need to teach the kids not to do that stupid stuff in the first place.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Criminals who have guns don't use them to threaten Joe and Josephina Public to hand over their 52" screen tv, and other much more easily gained items, they use them for professional crimes like drug dealing/taxing and other blags on places with high cash flows.

again your wrong with your facts which you never got any of, always blowin smoke, here are some home invasion reports
and this is just off the first page of search results.

Home invasion robbery victim shot, then fights back
Fremont: Armed home invasion suspect evades police after attack
Armed Home Invasion In Cass County
Armed Home Invasion
Two arrested, two guns seized after armed home invasion in Somerville
Warren Police investigating recent armed home invasions
10 detained after armed home invasion, standoff
Armed Home Invasion in Selinsgrove
Armed Home Invasion Near GMU
Violent, armed home invasions increase
Armed Citizens Stop Rash of Home Invasions

now mind you that's just the first page, in which close to 3 million hits came up. now just imagine, the ones that didn't make the news. which i know and everyone else knows is far more higher than the search reveals.

again i have showed that you have no clue as to what your talking about.

use facts and not things you pull out of thin air.

reply to post by RalagaNarHallas


Why would I hate an inanimate object? I save my disdain for the able bodied men who feel they are helpless as kittens unless they are packing heat.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie



I'm pretty sure there's an entire website devoted to such fear mongering. Probably called Guns R Us, or something equally dumb.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


Your govt's moral compass is screwed, so why would you expect the populace's to be in any more good working order?

reply to post by IvanAstikov


so again nothing of substance but attacks on gun owners ,we have the right to own guns in America we are protected by the second amendment and castle doctrine lets us shoot people that would threaten our lives or property.

The paper spoke to other neighbors, who said they saw Coulter biking around the neighborhood earlier Friday evening. "I thought about calling the cops, but the last thing I want to do is racially profile a little kid who's just biking," the neighbor told the Times-Picayune. According to the arrest warrant, Landry shot the teen once in the head. The buildings inspector for the Historic District Landmarks Commission was booked on second degree murder charges. Read more: www.nydailynews.com...

this is what its getting to people being afraid to defend themselves due to all the inflated racial tension in this country
www.nola.com...

Landry told police that he approached the boy from his front yard, near his vehicle. As he grew closer, he said, the boy made a "move, as if to reach for something" -- possibly a weapon -- so Landry shot him, the warrant states.

this alone will get the man acquitted.

www.nola.com... another link from the OP's opening one

Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests but said he had never used a gun.

kid had a history of break ins and yet the parents are still mad their little criminal was shot,if you parernt right your kids dont end up turning into little thugs who have to be shot by home owners in defense of their property

What this part of the Justifiable Homicide law essentially means is that if you are not doing anything illegal and are acting in self defense, you are not required to retreat before using deadly force. However, you and your Louisiana criminal defense attorney will also need to prove that you were in fact acting in self defense. The specific Louisiana law for self defense includes the following: “When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.”

thomasvalonzo.com...

this case like the zimmerman one will hinge on if the homeowner feared for his life and the state will have to prove he did not,now as we saw in the zimmerman trial he is innocent until proven guilty which puts the burden of proof on the state,now if he argues it was dark and he feared the person being in his yard could attack him hes golden as far as self defense laws go not to mention throw in the kids past burglaries and its pretty obvious he was up to no good

sites.google.com... dertomyhomesentbyacitizenofmarksvillela

idtac.com... few links of self defense in the state in question

reply to post by IvanAstikov

Ivan, let me ask you a question and be honest about this:

If you were gotten up in the middle of the night, after being sound asleep, are you mentally awake and coherent? Can you see so well in the dark as to tell what is out there in the middle of the night?

Chances are, like most people, when brought out of a sound sleep, you are not so mentall coherant. And some do not have good eyesight to see in the middle of the night in total darkness.

So there is the first problem, is that is it reasonable that someone woken up in the middle of the night, without knowing who or what. And especially if a person is breaking into a home, or on private property.

Funny thing about private property, we talk about it, but you get into some urban settings, you do not know who your neighbors are, and those that do, tend to keep an eye out for what is different. Where I live, anyone breaking into my house, is more likely to get bit and attacked by several dogs, and then face the business end of a weapon pointed at them, if not something far worse.

Where is the point of personal responsiblity come into play? After all that is something that you do not see these days. Walk into most public schools, or even volunteer at one, and chances are you will see it all, especially in large citys, where the children are often out of control, or very little in the way of discipline is going on. The question of what is right or wrong is not there, and ultimately, many children are not taught such.

And the sad part of this all, is that people turn around and keep looking to the government to come up with more laws and solutions, rather than looking to themselves.

So as you are looking at that, what would your solution be?