New Orleans teen shot in the head by man who thought he was burglar

reply to post by roadgravel

Why would someone in New Orleans just believe they won't be killed by a criminal. Murders happen often because criminals get away with it very often. The New Orleans gangs learned how it was different in other states after Katrina.

Maybe convicting a home owner will make up for the other prosecution failures in the court's mind.

Another great point! New Orleans is one of the deadliest cities in the country! Check out the DARK BLUE area!!



Ya, I wouldn’t take any chances either. I will assume you mean no good if I catch you on my property at night uninvited. I value the lives of my wife and kids more than anyone’s on the planet. You’re going to lose that contest with me...

reply to post by IvanAstikov

Since when did the death penalty for attempted theft become acceptable?

this wasn't the death penalty. it was a person jumping an 8' fence at 2am, sneaking on the property. when spotted, the homeowner thought he saw the person reach for something in his pocket.

that is what the homeowner was met with. he had two choices: shoot the intruder, or risk being shot.

shooting the intruder ensures that the homeowner, his family, and his property are safe and unharmed. it also ensures that the only person to be injured is the intruder.

NOT shooting the potential threat puts only innocents at risk. i'm not advocating for everyone who illegally enters property be shot, but if there is a valid risk to the homeowner or their family, i'd rather the criminal get shot than the innocents.

reply to post by butcherguy

You are entirely correct.

He was a child.

Too bad there weren't some parents around to treat him like he was a child when it mattered.

Another sad thing is the lack of flags (attention) this thread is getting. I’m afraid the country is burned out after months of Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman. I fear this guy’s case in Louisiana is going to be quickly forgotten and he’s going to be unnecessarily and unjustly punished for defending himself, his family and his property from a criminal.

I hope this guy gets a fair shake…This case should be followed and not forgotten!

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Someone tried to enter my property while I was in it. As I never used to secure my front door while I was home and awake, and as I seldom answer my door unless the person announces who they are through the letterbox, when someone came knocking on my door one Sunday afternoon and after a minute or so without me replying, then began to open the door, I was ready for them in a flash, and soon as the door was wide enough and I could see it was nobody I knew, I gave them a solid push with both hands, sending them stumbling back out the doorway. I then told him if I saw him near my door again, I would beat the # out of him. He started trying to give me some blag about he'd got the wrong address and thought he knew who lived here, but it was only half-hearted and as he was walking away.

I suppose it helps knowing the chances of anyone coming to my door with a firearm is zero to miniscule.

You must live in a safe, gun free area. Many are not that lucky.

reply to post by butcherguy


Hang on, are you suggesting that the shooting of a child is a fair punishment for bad parenting?

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by butcherguy

 

You are entirely correct.

He was a child.

Too bad there weren't some parents around to treat him like he was a child when it mattered.

Another sad thing is the lack of flags (attention) this thread is getting. I’m afraid the country is burned out after months of Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman. I fear this guy’s case in Louisiana is going to be quickly forgotten and he’s going to be unnecessarily and unjustly punished for defending himself, his family and his property from a criminal.

I hope this guy gets a fair shake…This case should be followed and not forgotten!

As soon as I saw it, I suspected that this guy will be the scapegoat for perceived injustices leftover from the Zimmerman trial.
I hope that his trial is fair. With the Castle law there and the fact that the encounter in on videotape, maybe he will.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Hang on, are you suggesting that the shooting of a child is a fair punishment for bad parenting?

Of course not. How could you possibly get that out of my post?

I am blaming poor parenting for producing a 14 year old boy with multiple burglary arrests. Pretty simple.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by roadgravel

 

Why would someone in New Orleans just believe they won't be killed by a criminal. Murders happen often because criminals get away with it very often. The New Orleans gangs learned how it was different in other states after Katrina.

Maybe convicting a home owner will make up for the other prosecution failures in the court's mind.

Another great point! New Orleans is one of the deadliest cities in the country! Check out the DARK BLUE area!!

Ya, I wouldn’t take any chances either. I will assume you mean no good if I catch you on my property at night uninvited. I value the lives of my wife and kids more than anyone’s on the planet. You’re going to lose that contest with me...

To further that point.. It also has nothing to do with the AMOUNT of guns in the area

There is something that does stand out, however. Gang and gang related - poor per populace vs middle and upper class - education - cultures (not race - just the thug culture that happens to infest more of one race than another IN THIS CITY). 8th ward.. 9th ward.. 7th ward... All nasty places to be in NO. A white guy would not want to be there unless he was a notorious gang member and that's more than likely far and few in between.

reply to post by theRhenn

Nope. Like everywhere, criminals don't obey laws, so the guns are out there, but obviously not at the scale you have in your own country. Criminals who have guns don't use them to threaten Joe and Josephina Public to hand over their 52" screen tv, and other much more easily gained items, they use them for professional crimes like drug dealing/taxing and other blags on places with high cash flows.

reply to post by seabag


Does that map include suicides as well?

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

Since when did the death penalty for attempted theft become acceptable?

this wasn't the death penalty. it was a person jumping an 8' fence at 2am, sneaking on the property. when spotted, the homeowner thought he saw the person reach for something in his pocket.

that is what the homeowner was met with. he had two choices: shoot the intruder, or risk being shot.

shooting the intruder ensures that the homeowner, his family, and his property are safe and unharmed. it also ensures that the only person to be injured is the intruder.

NOT shooting the potential threat puts only innocents at risk. i'm not advocating for everyone who illegally enters property be shot, but if there is a valid risk to the homeowner or their family, i'd rather the criminal get shot than the innocents.

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Exactly!

Ironicly.. Cops would have shot him for exactly the same thing and even less... ..and the cops arrested a homeowner for murder. Gotta love the irony in this.

reply to post by butcherguy


Some teens are especially problematic and need to learn some lessons the hard way. Killing them doesn't teach them a thing.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Some teens are especially problematic and need to learn some lessons the hard way. Killing them doesn't teach them a thing.

Well, good thing the turd isn't dead. Maybe the hole in the cranium is the life lesson learned, not to steal from people or try to break into other people's property.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Nope. Like everywhere, criminals don't obey laws, so the guns are out there, but obviously not at the scale you have in your own country. Criminals who have guns don't use them to threaten Joe and Josephina Public to hand over their 52" screen tv, and other much more easily gained items, they use them for professional crimes like drug dealing/taxing and other blags on places with high cash flows.

You're right, but only because they stake out places where people are more than likely not at home. To they pack heat? Oh yeah..

Not all of them, sure.. but not all criminals who rob banks carry guns either, though you would expect them to.

To rob someone is almost always assumed that the robber will have a weapon. Why would it be any different if someone was robbing your house? Criminals dont want to go to prison, so they know that if they dont carry a gun, they wont get as long a sentence, but that does not stop all of them by any means.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by seabag

 

Does that map include suicides as well?

No…Louisiana’s murder rate is on par with some COUNTRIES! It’s a very sad reality.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

www.theatlanticcities.com...

I was just thinking about something as I type….I’m actually going to the casinos in Shreveport, LA this weekend!

Lucky ME!!

[edit to add - You'd better believe I'll have my pistol and a couple magazines...never leave home with out them!]

Some teens are especially problematic and need to learn some lessons the hard way. Killing them doesn't teach them a thing.

Many teens have moved up to using firearms and killing. How is a person to know which ones are deadly and which ones are 'harmless'.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


dont think he was doing anything of the sort,but if you fail to instil good values and respect in your offspring they can often end up doing things that can negatively effect their lives,so if you dont want your potential offspring(dont know if you have kids or not)to not get shot teach them to not trespass on peoples land in castle doctrine states and certainly not to climb over other peoples fences in the middle of the night.

why do you always try to twist what other members say to try to make your arguments appear more valid?

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by seabag

 

Does that map include suicides as well?

No…Louisiana’s murder rate is on par with some COUNTRIES! It’s a very sad reality.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.

www.theatlanticcities.com...

I was just thinking about something as I type….I’m actually going to the casinos in Shreveport, LA this weekend!

Lucky ME!!

[edit to add - You'd better believe I'll have my pistol and a couple magazines...never leave home with out them!]

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Cmon now.. All of LA is not like that. We have very mature places in LA. Shreveport does have it's slums, however. You will find a bad area in any city though. NO just happens to be thug central, though. Shreveport isn't bad unless you take a wrong turn somewhere.

reply to post by theRhenn

Cops would have shot him for exactly the same thing and even less... ..and the cops arrested a homeowner for murder. Gotta love the irony in this.

i gotta admit, i'm surprised they didn't shoot the homeowner's dog in lieu of knocking on the door.

this is a case of a kid stealing over and over. there were ample opportunities for the parents to bust him, but they didn't.

it is becoming illegal to defend yourself in america. criminals are painted as saints when they're shot, and the people who didn't ask to be victims are demonized.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

The reason I am calling him a child, is that the laws in most cases, a child is considered a child until the age of consent. And in the State of Louisiana the age of consent is 17. So the person shot is a child.

The reason I disagree with calling him a child is because it causes people to think of him as an innocent child. ( Oh no, can't have people shooting Children ) you see..

This young man is far from innocent. You used the word child so many times in your post that can influence peoples opinions and cause people to lose sight of the fact this teen was rotten, a lawbreaker and deserved what he got.