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That quote is from 2 Corinthians 11:14, and Paul is here talking about these self-proclaimed apostles showing up at the church in Corinth and presenting themselves as being superior to Paul, in such ways as being more eloquently spoken (and so were worthy of financial support by the church congregation according to these intruders in Paul's opinion).
. . . you should ask yourself "why" your omnipotent, omniscient Jehovah-Baal mountain god would allow Satan such power . . .
Satan does not rule the world. I know that Dispensationalists like to repeat that, but they are wrong, according to the New Testament.
You see thats the problem with those that need an adversary to complete their theology. They need a vicarious "outsider" (satan) to personify and detach from themselves their own internal conflicts of good/bad,
Originally posted by bluemirage5
The Jews did not write the Christian bible at all, the Romans did.
The Jews are not the"chosen" ones,
majority of the decendants of Jacob are not even Jewish
Most people today can not comprehend the true nature exactly what a "Jew" today is.
Avraham was not Jewish, nor was Issac, Jacob or even Moses
not all non-Jews are in fact "Gentiles" as modern Jews of today want us to think
not all Israelites were living in Judea and not all Israelites were sent in to exile either
not all Judaeans sent in to exile belonged to Jacob's tribes
records of the Judaeans were not kept in ancient times
Originally posted by HairlessApe
I've read the story before, as I actually decided to read the hilarious piece of literary fail that is the Bible,
From what did you get that Rome created Christianity
The claim that the Vatican changed the Gospel is unlikely.
You need to pay better attention. The link you provided was for "Why did God choose Israel to be His chosen people?" - Not "Why do Christians believe in a God that has chosen" Jews (or any other group of people)?
I know both sentences contain 'God' and 'chosen' but try to understand the difference.
Jesus said a couple of places in the Gospel that Satan is "cast out" in John, and "cast down" in Luke.
Paul talks about the "god of this world" but he also says that its power is going away, as the Gospel goes forth. If you read the context a bit, you see it matching up well with where he talks about the power of the Old Testament god going away, so it is easy enough to conclude that the old, fading away "ruler of the world" was the old and now defunct Jewish temple cult, which had its final death blow in 70 AD when it was leveled by the Romans.
That quote is from 2 Corinthians 11:14, and Paul is here talking about these self-proclaimed apostles showing up at the church in Corinth and presenting themselves as being superior to Paul, in such ways as being more eloquently spoken (and so were worthy of financial support by the church congregation according to these intruders in Paul's opinion).
What Paul was doing was making an argument against them by way of a from lesser to greater approach, starting off with a reference to apocryphal writings of the day which dealt with the life of Adam and Eve, where at one point Eve describes Satan as looking like an angel, and another place where he became brilliant like an angel in order to look as if he was one of them.
Paul subverted the message of Jesus.
By the way, maybe you didn't realize that the term CHRISTIAN comes from believing in CHRIST!
All I am seeing from your claim that Satan rules is skill at memorizing cult doctrine, considering that you present nothing actually biblical, just human rhetoric that gets pushed for what ever reason. It is part of the Dispensationalist cult belief to deny the Messiahship of Jesus by saying that he doesn't actually rule as king, since that is reserved for the "Jew's" Messiah, yet to come.
You need to brush up on your Bible skills, Dewey.
You aren't actually making a persuasive argument since you are ignoring the obvious connotation of the words and go right past it to this mental picture of Satan being enthroned in an earthly temple, which is not ever described as being done at the beginning of the Gospel going forth.
Satan was the one who was "cast out" and "cast down" to EARTH. That's why Paul refers to Satan as the "god of this world".
Originally posted by jmdewey60
All I am seeing from your claim that Satan rules is skill at memorizing cult doctrine, considering that you present nothing actually biblical, just human rhetoric that gets pushed for what ever reason. It is part of the Dispensationalist cult belief to deny the Messiahship of Jesus by saying that he doesn't actually rule as king, since that is reserved for the "Jew's" Messiah, yet to come.
You aren't actually making a persuasive argument since you are ignoring the obvious connotation of the words and go right past it to this mental picture of Satan being enthroned in an earthly temple, which is not ever described as being done at the beginning of the Gospel going forth.
If you read the actual verse in the NT where Paul says the god of this world, 2 Cor. 4, it makes no allusion to a Satan character but it does to Moses. It poses a dilemma such as what Jesus describes in the gospels of how the people's hearing was made dull.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."
This is not relevant to the earlier discussion that Paul was having in 2 Corinthians. This sounds more like people who are either insane, or just liars.
. . . where the "self-proclaimed apostles" . . . were getting their information from.
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
He is saying to the people of Corinth to not be like Eve and be taken in by these men who were pretending to have a spiritual message but were just really good talkers.