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Originally posted by bluestar.ranch
reply to post by bluestar.ranch
(does anyone get that this post is about protecting your rights with hidden cameras and do NOT tell police you are taping them or use your cell phone!)
Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
reply to post by woogleuk
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. The officers clearly announced their reason for being there. If you are "the man" of the house and there are questions of domestic violence in the house, man up, and go outside.
If you have kids, you must realize the abuse of power the state can wield upon you if you give them an excuse. If you cooperate with officers, you lessen the chance they'll give false testimony.
If you and your wife are both innocent, then you will answer their questions with very brief limited answers. Do not tell stories. Do not express emotions. If the officer's become accusatory, SHUT UP, and tell them you won't speak to them about legal questions with out an attorney at law who can explain the questions to you.
edit on 5/14/2013 by Cryptonomicon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Mianeye
reply to post by jude11
Nice way of to spin something you don't know the backstory to
And as we don't know the backstory to this, we can't judge anything from it, but the video is still there, so i guess the police don't mind it being there, as they just did their job.edit on 14-5-2013 by Mianeye because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
reply to post by woogleuk
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. The officers clearly announced their reason for being there. If you are "the man" of the house and there are questions of domestic violence in the house, man up, and go outside.
If you have kids, you must realize the abuse of power the state can wield upon you if you give them an excuse. If you cooperate with officers, you lessen the chance they'll give false testimony.
If you and your wife are both innocent, then you will answer their questions with very brief limited answers. Do not tell stories. Do not express emotions. If the officer's become accusatory, SHUT UP, and tell them you won't speak to them about legal questions with out an attorney at law who can explain the questions to you.
edit on 5/14/2013 by Cryptonomicon because: (no reason given)
Sure...No reason to be afraid if you have nothing to hide. Where have I heard this before?
Oh right...the entire justification for turning the Nation into a surveillance State.
Peace
Originally posted by Char-Lee
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
reply to post by woogleuk
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. The officers clearly announced their reason for being there. If you are "the man" of the house and there are questions of domestic violence in the house, man up, and go outside.
If you have kids, you must realize the abuse of power the state can wield upon you if you give them an excuse. If you cooperate with officers, you lessen the chance they'll give false testimony.
If you and your wife are both innocent, then you will answer their questions with very brief limited answers. Do not tell stories. Do not express emotions. If the officer's become accusatory, SHUT UP, and tell them you won't speak to them about legal questions with out an attorney at law who can explain the questions to you.
edit on 5/14/2013 by Cryptonomicon because: (no reason given)
Sure...No reason to be afraid if you have nothing to hide. Where have I heard this before?
Oh right...the entire justification for turning the Nation into a surveillance State.
Peace
I am curious, how would you handle a domestic dispute or violence call as a policeman? In the case of being called someone fearing for the children in the home?
There could have been someone else in the home, maybe the wife and kid are in the back room bleeding and beaten and this woman is not the wife? How do you figure out what to do and what has happened if you just leave?
But you posted your "general fact" on this topic, so you use this video/topic to support your "general fact", and as this video dosn't show the full story, your assumption of this being "proof" together with the handfull of other videos like this, that actually just show how stupid people react to cops in stead of just get it over with by talking to them.
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Mianeye
reply to post by jude11
Nice way of to spin something you don't know the backstory to
And as we don't know the backstory to this, we can't judge anything from it, but the video is still there, so i guess the police don't mind it being there, as they just did their job.edit on 14-5-2013 by Mianeye because: (no reason given)
Who's doing the spinning here?
My post is a general fact and did not refer to this specific incident. But you prefer to spin my words to support this incident.
Peace
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Char-Lee
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
reply to post by woogleuk
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. The officers clearly announced their reason for being there. If you are "the man" of the house and there are questions of domestic violence in the house, man up, and go outside.
If you have kids, you must realize the abuse of power the state can wield upon you if you give them an excuse. If you cooperate with officers, you lessen the chance they'll give false testimony.
If you and your wife are both innocent, then you will answer their questions with very brief limited answers. Do not tell stories. Do not express emotions. If the officer's become accusatory, SHUT UP, and tell them you won't speak to them about legal questions with out an attorney at law who can explain the questions to you.
edit on 5/14/2013 by Cryptonomicon because: (no reason given)
Sure...No reason to be afraid if you have nothing to hide. Where have I heard this before?
Oh right...the entire justification for turning the Nation into a surveillance State.
Peace
I am curious, how would you handle a domestic dispute or violence call as a policeman? In the case of being called someone fearing for the children in the home?
There could have been someone else in the home, maybe the wife and kid are in the back room bleeding and beaten and this woman is not the wife? How do you figure out what to do and what has happened if you just leave?
Not my point at all.
Please read my original post. Police are becoming more and more corrupt and their violence is escalating.
It's too easy for them to plant evidence, tell lies and create false reasons for entry to a private household. It's been done and well documented too many times and increasing in frequency.
It used to be a nice, polite and safe World that you want to live in. No more tho.
We not only have to protect ourselves from the criminals but the police as well.
Sad, but true.
Peace
Originally posted by Char-Lee
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Char-Lee
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
reply to post by woogleuk
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. The officers clearly announced their reason for being there. If you are "the man" of the house and there are questions of domestic violence in the house, man up, and go outside.
If you have kids, you must realize the abuse of power the state can wield upon you if you give them an excuse. If you cooperate with officers, you lessen the chance they'll give false testimony.
If you and your wife are both innocent, then you will answer their questions with very brief limited answers. Do not tell stories. Do not express emotions. If the officer's become accusatory, SHUT UP, and tell them you won't speak to them about legal questions with out an attorney at law who can explain the questions to you.
edit on 5/14/2013 by Cryptonomicon because: (no reason given)
Sure...No reason to be afraid if you have nothing to hide. Where have I heard this before?
Oh right...the entire justification for turning the Nation into a surveillance State.
Peace
I am curious, how would you handle a domestic dispute or violence call as a policeman? In the case of being called someone fearing for the children in the home?
There could have been someone else in the home, maybe the wife and kid are in the back room bleeding and beaten and this woman is not the wife? How do you figure out what to do and what has happened if you just leave?
Not my point at all.
Please read my original post. Police are becoming more and more corrupt and their violence is escalating.
It's too easy for them to plant evidence, tell lies and create false reasons for entry to a private household. It's been done and well documented too many times and increasing in frequency.
It used to be a nice, polite and safe World that you want to live in. No more tho.
We not only have to protect ourselves from the criminals but the police as well.
Sad, but true.
Peace
I do understand what you are saying and I know there are many abuses and growing. I also see your point, yes would be an easy set up IF you were a target for them for some reason. I am very with you on this. The Boston acceptance of the invasions and the way they were carried out actually made me cry.
But in the case of the OP what would you think should be done by the police?
I can't really think of a safe option if the person will not opening the door and there was a legit call and children in the home.
The not opening the door may lead you to think the kids have been harmed? The two people with the camera seemed hyper and hostile and just weird to me. If they would have talked calmly I may have thought everything inside was alright. I would still have wanted to see the children.
Personally I am pretty convinced they started a really loud yelling match so that the neighbors would call the police so they could film...but that is neither here not there.
Originally posted by Char-Lee
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Char-Lee
Originally posted by jude11
Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
reply to post by woogleuk
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. The officers clearly announced their reason for being there. If you are "the man" of the house and there are questions of domestic violence in the house, man up, and go outside.
If you have kids, you must realize the abuse of power the state can wield upon you if you give them an excuse. If you cooperate with officers, you lessen the chance they'll give false testimony.
If you and your wife are both innocent, then you will answer their questions with very brief limited answers. Do not tell stories. Do not express emotions. If the officer's become accusatory, SHUT UP, and tell them you won't speak to them about legal questions with out an attorney at law who can explain the questions to you.
edit on 5/14/2013 by Cryptonomicon because: (no reason given)
Sure...No reason to be afraid if you have nothing to hide. Where have I heard this before?
Oh right...the entire justification for turning the Nation into a surveillance State.
Peace
I am curious, how would you handle a domestic dispute or violence call as a policeman? In the case of being called someone fearing for the children in the home?
There could have been someone else in the home, maybe the wife and kid are in the back room bleeding and beaten and this woman is not the wife? How do you figure out what to do and what has happened if you just leave?
Not my point at all.
Please read my original post. Police are becoming more and more corrupt and their violence is escalating.
It's too easy for them to plant evidence, tell lies and create false reasons for entry to a private household. It's been done and well documented too many times and increasing in frequency.
It used to be a nice, polite and safe World that you want to live in. No more tho.
We not only have to protect ourselves from the criminals but the police as well.
Sad, but true.
Peace
I do understand what you are saying and I know there are many abuses and growing. I also see your point, yes would be an easy set up IF you were a target for them for some reason. I am very with you on this. The Boston acceptance of the invasions and the way they were carried out actually made me cry.
But in the case of the OP what would you think should be done by the police?
I can't really think of a safe option if the person will not opening the door and there was a legit call and children in the home.
The not opening the door may lead you to think the kids have been harmed? The two people with the camera seemed hyper and hostile and just weird to me. If they would have talked calmly I may have thought everything inside was alright. I would still have wanted to see the children.
Personally I am pretty convinced they started a really loud yelling match so that the neighbors would call the police so they could film...but that is neither here not there.
Originally posted by bluestar.ranch
reply to post by bluestar.ranch
OK details are all not there.. My point is THIS IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE AND ALL THE TIME. COPS ARE USING UNNECESSARY FORCE IN PEOPLES HOMES AND BREAKING THE CONSTITUTION.
My point is about the cameras!!!!!! The topic here is the CAMERAS.. and the guy yelling that he is "taping the cops" Cops are brutal pigs in SOME cases.. but they are getting really bold lately? do you remember cops treating civilians like this and police brutality happening 20 years ago? 30? guess not...
People.. I have NOT been confronted by cops (no reason to) I avoid them and don't break the law....WHEN you are in an area where cops are present.... THINK ABOUT WEARING OR HIDING A HIDDEN CAMERA FOR YOUR PROTECTION..
These people should have talked to the officers.. yet worn hidden camera
(does anyone get that this post is about protecting your rights with hidden cameras and do NOT tell police you are taping them or use your cell phone!)
Let's just say a pissed off neighbor because of an un-mowed lawn, garbage in the yard, kids too loud, pot smell, long hair, not welcoming the neighborhood Kool-Aid stand, tree over my fence, "I JUST DON'T LIKE THEM!"...
Take your pick.
Too easy to report anyone these days. Just say "DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE" and the cops roll up with every right to knock the door down.
I truly hope people are getting this.
Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
i have no problem if in doing their job, that is responding to a domestic disturbance, or some other call. and they come to find a guy, hold up and ranting about his rights, as a way to prevent from going to jail. them coming in and sucureing the people and house.
you just can't commit crime and say you don't have a right to come into my house. if that is indeed what was going on.
now that being said, if they were outside beating someone or doing any other illegal activity, and some one is filming them from the confines of their own home.
i would say that's is illegal, but from what i saw and heard from that video, there was a called made for that adress and they responded, it is there job to check it out.
now lets just say that, they didn't come in, respecting the wishes of the guy with the camera. and two hours later they get called back because he killed his wife and kids.
what would you be saying then?edit on 14-5-2013 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by abeverage
COPS needs its own forum here...
I swear this is getting out of hand. I am betting that this was a domestic disturbance call but at what point do the laws for many out weigh the needs and freedoms of the one.