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Originally posted by CasaVigilante
reply to post by MongusePro
Your commentary on the Police State in America is ill-informed to say the least. The police do NOT have the rights that you claim that they do and we, as citizens of a free society to NOT have to 'Kow Tow' to their Gestapo tactics.
SHOCK POLICE STATE VIDEO:
“You Have No Right To Be In Here! You Have No Right to Be In Here!”
“Because we don’t live in a police state, sir."
"Martial law has not been established in this country."
Originally posted by MongusePro
Although i agree that things are getting hairy with regards to police using excessive force were it is not needed. On this particular occasion i think there actions were justified.
When the cops show up at your door you need to do several things: Show respect at all times, stay calm and collected and listen and comply with demands.
This guy was asking for trouble from the offset. Although he showed respect, he raised his voice and tone above that of the officers.. strike 1... He said "this is not a police state", the officers know that and are just doing there job, this instantly alienates you from the police and in there eyes you've now become a threat ... strike 2... Regardless of whether or not the intrusion was justified, he refused outright to comply with police demands. They are not asking politely, they are telling you to get on the ground and out your hands behind your back...Strike 3...
When they did enter he still refused demands so they used non-lethal force to subdue him. All-in-all, good police work.
These minor issues will all be put down in the police report giving the guy no chance to put up any kind of defense later in a complaint.
If he had complied and spoke calmly it's likely the scenario would have played out peacefully but if it didn't he's got grounds for a complaint and prosecution.
It's paranoid non-compliant people like this guy that are making the police nervous and more aggressive.
For good measure and anyone who hasn't seen it. Here's a video presentation of how to deal with police encounters.
It goes though the do's and don'ts of police encounters in everyday situations from being pulled over to having police doing community visits.
For a little humor here's chris rocks guide to avoiding getting your ass kicked by the police like this guy, enjoy :-)
edit on 15-5-2013 by MongusePro because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MongusePro
reply to post by smurfy
Star for you and I agree, there are times when standing your ground and going by the constitution is right and police conduct is not. you'll have to excuse me as i'm in polite company so can't watch the video you posted.
It's a fine balance that in the heat of the moment can be very difficult to judge. What i'm trying to portray in this particular instance, the the gentleman could have handled the situation differently, that's all. The police were fairly well conducted but as you rightly point out there have been cases were the citizen was well conducted and ended up 6ft under.
This is obviously tragic and blatant murder. It's a shame as iv'e seen written a lot recently that the good cops out there don't weed out the bad. Of course we know why, it's because the game is rigged and they fear loosing there jobs. Cheers
Originally posted by CasaVigilante
This is only the beginning. What you are witnessing ...
.... in the not too distant future. Like I said - this is just the beginning.
Originally posted by jude11
Remember one thing here.
Police can show up at any door claiming that they have received a complaint of domestic disturbance, bash in the door, assault people...all without a warrant because of a domestic disturbance report.
And if asked who lodged the complaint they don't have to produce a source under the guise of protecting the source. So how easy it to create the situation themselves? Too easy.
This is their ticket into any house they choose...without a warrant and using force if desired.
Make no mistake, this is the new Police State.
Peace