Originally posted by Indigo_Child

SALINAS, Calif. (AP) -- A Salinas man will have to choose between going to jail or joining the military as his punishment for possession of marijuana.
A judge surprised both the prosecution and defense yesterday when he told Brian Barr that he could avoid a jail term by enlisting in the military.

So there you have it, criminals are being drafted into security forces for the people. That is one way of forming a police force against the people.

BS. This has been happening for years and years. It's nothing new at all and I know quite a few people my age (40s) who were given the same kind of choice over 20 years ago. It was thought that an individual might turn his life around better in the military than in jail. I would have to agree and if I had to make the same choice, I would choose the military and be damn glad the choice was available at all.

BS. This has been happening for years and years. It's nothing new at all and I know quite a few people my age (40s) who were given the same kind of choice over 20 years ago. It was thought that an individual might turn his life around better in the military than in jail. I would have to agree and if I had to make the same choice, I would choose the military and be damn glad the choice was available at all.

Thanks I did not know it was an old system. So, basically you are saying the drafting of criminals into the military has been going on for a long time. That would explain a lot.

So the Blue States want to secede from the Union...and we should blame Bush? Excuse me, but wasn't it the DEMOCRATS who wanted to secede from the Union the FIRST TIME AROUND? The Democrats have been trying to undo every Federal achievment since The Constitution was written!

And yes, that includes REFUSING TO RATIFY THE CONSTITUTION!

We need to speak only of A TOTAL CIVIL BOYCOTT.

Buy NO gas.

Buy NOTHING AT WALMART.

Buy NOTHING at supermarkets, video stores, fast food restaurants, major drug chains, prime retailers.

Don't DO business with BANKS. Use postal money orders and get gold coins from pawn shops, as a way to stash cash.

DON'T DO BUSINESS with the medical profession. They are one of the absolutely WORST purveys of "nothing," "NO treatment," "NO help," just drugs and bandaids.

DON'T DO BUSINESS with drug dealers, pornographers or over-the-counter drugs. These all simply keep the cash flows going for DEA and the Feds.\

DON't DO business with attorneys, social workers, or Gummint agencies; they're just in it for the influence. They have no intention to really help you.

Does this get you going on the right track?

I hope so.

You wanna believe him, an American who's been knighted by the Queen of England???

For what? For standing up for America? I doubt it.

Why would you believe him? He OBVIOUSLY has another agenda, under the table.

As long as oil is only sold for U.S. Dollars then other countries must continue to purchase our debt. It's the only way they can get US Currency.

As long as we have a strong military this will not change.

The longer we wait for a change (which will be good for us in the long run as it will cure some serious issues internally) the more painful the change will be.

The government will attempt to prevent the change from occuring as long as possible to protect thier offices.

We will have to suffer a severe depression before the oil economy changes into something else.

You still have time to prepare.....

Wasn't it the Democrats who tried to Secede from the U.S. the FIRST TIME? (Before you say no, KEEP IN MIND THAT JEFFERSON DAVIS, the Confederate President, was an ardent Democrat who actually sold some of his plantations to back Stephen Douglas, Lincoln's opponent.)

Isn't it the Democrats who want the Blue States in the East, to secede and incorporate to Canada, and at the same time, have the Western Blue States secede and incorporate with Mexico? (This was actually Micheal Moore's idea. I kid you not.)

And you think the Republicans are the catylist for all this??

GROW UP!! Learn to lose once in a while!! Why can't you take your OWN ADVICE and MOVE ON??

The best way to handle civil war is to handle it civilly. How Many people actually write letters to there congressmen? a very small handlefull. we have now the most powerfull tool ever known to mankind at the tip of our fingers. there are many of you smart enough out ther to design a site that people (Rashional People) go to so we could Collectively Concentrate and share our aguements of protest and generate downloadable letters that can be mail by the citezens by the masses to express imediate urgency for changes, recall of of crooked polititians, protest illegal one sided evidence and history destroying agencies, and tell them how pissed off everyone is getting. At this point an unorganized civil war would be music to their ears, an excuse to blow away anyone they felt raised a finger of protest would surely be slain. But standing together United as Americans we have the capabilility to put alot of pressure on to purge the corruption and take back the constitution from the corporations, from people like the president of enron who walk scott (not peterson) free after sucking dry entire lifetimes of savings from little old men and women. This crap has got to stop, these people ned to be made examples of what not to do, not never ending protection from congress hiding under the fifth amendment, and thats only the tip of the iceburg!! Can you imagine a congressman getting flooded by a million letters within a week by a million different people all pissed off about the same things! in every state of the union ? If something like that did not generate a response THEN it would be time to say " HOUSTON, I THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM!"

Originally posted by Iwunder
At this point an unorganized civil war would be music to their ears, an excuse to blow away anyone they felt raised a finger of protest would surely be slain.

Hmmm. Never thought of that, but it's true.

...IMHO - this administration has purposefully cultivated a culture of violence and armed response. Whatever the purpose, acceptance of these values has filtered to the opposition. BIG mistake.

I agree - civil war is not the answer. The system is set up for questioning the government, and holding government accountable. Arms are NOT required. ...Letters are always effective, and legal avenues exist.


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Originally posted by Seekerof
Are there viable and factual information to assuredly assert that there will indeed be a 'civil war'?

For that question to even matter you must first go back into history and determine if there was ever factual information to assuredly assert that a civil war was comming when in fact it came.

Have we become so society-box-thinking that we now actually expect a civil war to be "announced" like the next sea hawks game?

"It takes but a sparke to ignite the fires of rebellion"


Sincerly

Cade

Originally posted by Cade

Originally posted by Seekerof
Are there viable and factual information to assuredly assert that there will indeed be a 'civil war'?

For that question to even matter you must first go back into history and determine if there was ever factual information to assuredly assert that a civil war was comming when in fact it came.

Have we become so society-box-thinking that we now actually expect a civil war to be "announced" like the next sea hawks game?

"It takes but a sparke to ignite the fires of rebellion"


Sincerly

Cade

I thought that the Civil War was scheduled AFTER the Seahawks game... now i need to check with my secretary. what the hell is goin on?

...BTW, didn't Ukraine "announce" civil war?

not in this day and time.

TPTB have electronic weapons, chemical weapons, and covert ops that can take you out in a heartbeat, with nobody even knowing.

Shut up.

This war will be fought on the Subjective LEVEL:

"For although we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare not not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God."

i dont know i would be all for a civil war..

between the governent holding valuable info from citizens of America and the rest of the world...then you got unethical politics and conspiracies and everything else......which holding some kinds of info from citizens and the world are definetely reasonable to sustain peace and sanity...

but anyways..a civil war would be logical...but the people not on the side of the government are in for a major war....of course we have long range hunting rifles, know the territories everywhere around where we live...as well as influence on our friends and family...

but then the government..they have very long range weapons...all kinds of awesome airplanes..helicopters as quiet as anything else you know...they have secrets such as whatevers inside of area 51 and every other secret area in America...could call on all that secret stuff if the government got backed into a corner as a last ditch effort...
they have snipers that could camouflage themselves to look the same as any piece of scenery around them and not look any different than the real thing...control over every piece of military in America...

the only way the opposers against the government could win would be strength in numbers...full assault kind of like something Napolean would do even...

but with lack of air support how would it be possible to win, the civil war wouldnt last a week before it was realized we were overwhelmed majorly...

what would the two sides name themselves anyways...maybe bring out the old rebel flag again...union vs. rebels...or would it be named something else

Writing letters and calling your senator or representative is step one, and unfortunately step one is no longer a viable option to produce any change in the system. When was the last time you had a steak dinner with your senator or made a major monetary contribution to their campaign? The Industrial Revolution, as I have said before, was indeed a revolution and the capitalist seized power in this country and the soverignty of "We the People" is a memory. You are not a constiuent of your representatives anymore. Do you honestly think that writing a letter is going to make an impact when we have folks like the 9-11 families filing law suits and beign told that the evidence they need to persue legal recourse is unavailable to them because of 'National Security" issues? There is no "Internal Affairs" department inside the US Government for our legislators or president to answer to, yes there are committees who would seem to function as such, but your asking criminals to investigate their own criminality, it simply isn't going to happen. Given the recent election scandals (yes I said scandals), how much more do you need to see to know that the power of the american people is not waning any more, but gone completely. Diebold and ESS put the final nail in the coffin of the soverignty of the American People. Write all the letters you like, it isn't going to make any difference. Free Enterprise was a great idea, capitalism was not.

Originally posted by twitchy
Writing letters and calling your senator or representative is step one, and unfortunately step one is no longer a viable option to produce any change in the system. When was the last time you had a steak dinner with your senator or made a major monetary contribution to their campaign? The Industrial Revolution, as I have said before, was indeed a revolution and the capitalist seized power in this country and the soverignty of "We the People" is a memory. You are not a constiuent of your representatives anymore. Do you honestly think that writing a letter is going to make an impact when we have folks like the 9-11 families filing law suits and beign told that the evidence they need to persue legal recourse is unavailable to them because of 'National Security" issues? There is no "Internal Affairs" department inside the US Government for our legislators or president to answer to, yes there are committees who would seem to function as such, but your asking criminals to investigate their own criminality, it simply isn't going to happen. Given the recent election scandals (yes I said scandals), how much more do you need to see to know that the power of the american people is not waning any more, but gone completely. Diebold and ESS put the final nail in the coffin of the soverignty of the American People. Write all the letters you like, it isn't going to make any difference. Free Enterprise was a great idea, capitalism was not.

Yes, mate. The second step is to try and wake the people up, but they are brainwashed beyond belief. The third step is?

option 3 kill em all

option 4 dont do a thing and let the world collapse under its own pressure

option 5 pray

[edit on 12/9/2004 by centurion1211]